Vagina? Not in this house!!

I'm Jewish. I keep kosher in my home. I have two sets of dishes. One for meat and one for dairy, and another two sets of dishes on top of that for Passover. Judaism believes that therapeutic abortions, namely abortions performed in order to preserve the life of the mother are not only permissable but mandatory. The stage of pregnancy does not matter. Wherever there is a question of the life of the mother or that of the unborn child, Jewish law rules in favor of preserving the life of the mother. The status of the fetus as human life does not equal that of the mother. I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours?


That is what Lisa Brown said.

Thanks. I was trying to find it myself. This helps put it into context for me.

She was debating against a bill which would ban abortion after 20 weeks unless the life of the mother is in danger.

I agree that on its face, it would seem she's got a bit of an inconsistent message. But I'd really like to look at the bill as a whole. It seems weird that she'd make that kind of gaffe unless there's something else too it. But maybe she didn't.

For me that's not the issue. The issue is whether there was any reason to censure her, and I don't think there was, at all. She didn't say "pussy" or "twat" or "snatch" or the C-word we're not allowed to use here. She said "Vagina." Was she being sarcastic? Yes. Was she being irreverent? Yes. Was she the first politician to use a less than respectful tone in the chambers of a Senate meeting? FUCK NO.

So this clearly is in accordance with her beliefs. Apparently she is too retarded to grasp that the law aligns perfectly with her stated beliefs.

You perhaps have a point there.

SHE BROUGHT UP HER BELIEFS. Not the state. She did. She was using HER FAITH to oppose the law.

Again, she may have based HER DECISION to vote yea or nay outside of her religious beliefs. I don't know that, and neither do you.

Except she is too retarded to understand that this law DOES NOT violate her faith. Yet she implied that it does, and that she is somehow better than them in her opposition.

There's probably more to it than that, and I'd love to actually hear her explanation of this issue, of her faith and the law. Is there more to that quote? Or maybe she gave another more in-depth interview. Someone in the media should definitely ask her for clarification.

She also is implying a law banning murder is a case of the state forcing religion on people.

I don't see that in the quote you provided, sorry.

So we should not ban murder because that is a religious belief?

Didn't North Dakota voters just vote down a law that was so ambiguous it could've been interpreted that way? Wasn't that bill written by Right Wing, pro-Religious groups? Just sayin'...the bullshit flows both ways.

And then she bizarrely brought up her vagina, making a rape accusation against the House Speaker.

You clearly don't get the joke, and that's fine.
 
Well, Buckey, I did try to talk my father out of it when I was 21, but it didn't work, and nobody arrested him. Go figure.

What you call hedonism, others call intellectual consistency. In fact, if I had answered differently, you would have thought you had a "gotcha" going because you could have then said I was inconsistent. Since that failed, you went with batshit.

But hey, thanks for playing.

Well, if your father committed suicide, you have my supreme sympathy. You never had a good upbringing in the first place, which is why you have no moral center.

That's sad. You should read the Bible and try to get that center your irresponsible father denied you.

It's never too late.

:rolleyes: the dumbfuck is strong in this one.

I was already grown, you ignorant cow. You don't have the first idea what problems, health issues, or chemical imbalances drive someone to make that decision, OR the life they led before they came to it.

Is there a tiara you're competing for that requires you to show the least possible combination of common decency, common sense, and simple human dignity? Well, you've won. :clap2:

I don't need your "sympathy," and there's nothing "supreme" about you. fuck off, :ahole-1:

Some people will use anything to level an attack. Sadly, you just ran into their Queen.
 
As I said, this is about a bill which bans abortion after 20 weeks. Something which Roe v. Wade plainly said could be done by states, and which is supported by 2/3 of Americans. Which means even pro-choice people approve. And atheists!

Straw man.
 
In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court said that the quickening is the historically accepted dividing line as to when a fetus becomes a human being.

A human being.

No they did not. They explicitly stated that answering such a question was not their place, it was for scientists and philosopher's to decide that issue. They pointed out that quickening was the historical dividing line for the permissibility of abortion.
 
In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court said that the quickening is the historically accepted dividing line as to when a fetus becomes a human being.

A human being.

No they did not. They explicitly stated that answering such a question was not their place, it was for scientists and philosopher's to decide that issue. They pointed out that quickening was the historical dividing line for the permissibility of abortion.

Not exactly. They addressed "viability" and did so without legislative guidance, as though somebody had authorized the judicial branch to act as the legislative branch.
 
Well, if your father committed suicide, you have my supreme sympathy. You never had a good upbringing in the first place, which is why you have no moral center.

That's sad. You should read the Bible and try to get that center your irresponsible father denied you.

It's never too late.

:rolleyes: the dumbfuck is strong in this one.

I was already grown, you ignorant cow. You don't have the first idea what problems, health issues, or chemical imbalances drive someone to make that decision, OR the life they led before they came to it.

Is there a tiara you're competing for that requires you to show the least possible combination of common decency, common sense, and simple human dignity? Well, you've won. :clap2:

I don't need your "sympathy," and there's nothing "supreme" about you. fuck off, :ahole-1:

I'm 50 years old and you don't think I've gone through times in my life where I've wanted to commit suicide? How wrong are you!

Why didn't I? Because I found solace in the Bible based on a strong upbringing in the Bible, in the first place.

I just have sympathy for you, because you obviousluy didn't get the moral core in your upbringing you should have. Your views reveal that

You don't have to take my sympathy. But I will pray for you.

I just believe it's never too late to get that moral core that a bad childhood might deny you.

I didn't have a bad childhood, you insufferable cow. Just because I'm not on YOUR path, doesn't mean I'm on the wrong path, and it doesn't mean I'm lost. Your "sympathy" drips with condescension and contempt, and I leave it for what it's worth.
 
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Wow.

OomphyDufus has the fucking LONGEST middle name I have ever seen!
 
In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court said that the quickening is the historically accepted dividing line as to when a fetus becomes a human being.

A human being.

No they did not. They explicitly stated that answering such a question was not their place, it was for scientists and philosopher's to decide that issue. They pointed out that quickening was the historical dividing line for the permissibility of abortion.

Not exactly. They addressed "viability" and did so without legislative guidance, as though somebody had authorized the judicial branch to act as the legislative branch.

Who ever authorized the legislature to address viability? I'd say that's the kind of thing that we should be relying on medical experts to advise upon.
 
No they did not. They explicitly stated that answering such a question was not their place, it was for scientists and philosopher's to decide that issue. They pointed out that quickening was the historical dividing line for the permissibility of abortion.

Not exactly. They addressed "viability" and did so without legislative guidance, as though somebody had authorized the judicial branch to act as the legislative branch.

Who ever authorized the legislature to address viability? I'd say that's the kind of thing that we should be relying on medical experts to advise upon.

Who authorized the legislative branch to address a matter of public policy? :cuckoo:

Hm.

You have no clue, do you? You dolt.
 
Who authorized the legislative branch to address a matter of public policy?

LMFAO!! Are you really that detached from reality? Fetuses don't become viable simply because the legislature tells them to be so. Hell, if that was possible, maybe we could legislate Washington back from the dead, and then we could have a real President.
 
"So, let me get this straight.....the Michigan House wants to debate a bill about what people can do with their vaginas.........."

LOL Do tell..................
 
And then she bizarrely brought up her vagina, making a rape accusation against the House Speaker.

The woman is mentally challenged.

She did not. You and your ilk are such dishonest lying pieces of crap.
She did make a rape accusation. She said, “And finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested my vagina, but ' no' means 'no.'”

That is a clear reference to rape. It is a well-known anti-rape slogan: "No means no".

For those of you who are culturally ignorant:

NO means NO

In rape cases, 'no' means 'no' to everyone except the British public | Nick Cohen | Comment is free | The Observer

No Means No | Facebook

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She did make a rape accusation. She said, “And finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested my vagina, but ' no' means 'no.'”

That is a clear reference to rape. It is a well-known anti-rape slogan: "No means no".

Oh for fuck's sake. Really? That phrase has also become sort of ubiquitous in the popular zeitgeist for any issue where you're telling someone "no." It was a humorous barb, nothing else. Get the fuck over it. It's still, no matter what, totally wrong for her to have been censured.
 

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