Vermont becomes first state to call for a Citizens United Resolution

[JakeStarkey]

Jake, you are wrong again. Just quit making shit up!

You don't understand the evidence, son. Give us the sum donation from all of business then do an equation with that of union donations.

Your schooling was abysmal based on the assumption that unions give anything more a small fraction than business.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, and please use the Journal as your source. Please!

 

[Defiant1]

Citizens United did not remove the ban from corporations directly contributing to Federal candidates.

So what's the problem?

Why do liberals want to dictate how people/corporations spend what little money they have left after the government steals the rest?

Why do liberals only want rich people to run for office?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Liberals, moderates, and conservatives, all are terrified of how business now can mislead the electorate through false advertising and thus dominating elections.

Good for Vermont, Three more states are online for this year, another eighteen at least next year.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Vermont Becomes The First State To Pass Wolf PAC Resolution

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

You stupid fucking asshole, what the fuck are you afraid of? The only reason to prohibit people from being able to talk is if you are a fucking coward who knows the only possible way for you to win the debate is prevent the other guy from saying anything. It takes a complete moron to claim that he hates bias and then defend laws that are specifically designed to bias the political process.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I would love to see this adopted in every state..

Because you hate the idea that common people could say anything bad about politicians.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Here is the pledge of the driver behind this, the Wolf PAC.

The Plan - Wolf PAC

Does anyone else see the irony in having a PAC to take away constitutional rights from people?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Good luck getting any red state to approve that.

The funny thing about the term Conservative is it actually means unwilling or slow to change. Change happens no matter what when it's necessary. Some people know when to be Conservative and when to be Liberal.

The funny thing about you saying that us that you are the one that is unwilling to change.

Overturning Citizens United is a Liberal thought, it takes thinking, not a lack of. It also takes Liberal amounts of Action to change.

It takes thinking to make it impossible for people to criticize a politician during an election? Care to explain, in deatail, what type of thinking it takes to reach that absurd conclusion?

This is one of the longest term common sense problems in America....If the red stands against it, they will simply be exposed even more as profit mongers who work for Corporations instead of the people.

Common sense says that being able to show a movie that criticizes Hillary Clinton is bad for the country? How, exactly, does common sense reach that conclusion?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Another thing.

I see lot's of people stand up for Citizens United just because they saw Unions donating to politicians.

Need I say, "two wrongs don't make a right?"

Why create or justify something terribly wrong just because not enough people fought against the initial problem? I just don't get it. Why double down on bad decisions?

Another thing, you are a complete idiot.

The issue here is not money in politics, it is common people being able to say things about politicians. The thing that makes your positrion so incredibly stupid that it amounts to believing that the Earth is 7 days old is that rich people were always able to spend as much money as they wanted on an election. The law never applied to them. If one of the Koch brothers had made "Hillary, the Movie" and tried to show it the government would not have had a problem with it. The only reason they blocked it was because a small group of regular, non rich, people got together to make the movie. The governemnt actually required them to form a corporation in order to do this, and then told them they were not allowed to show the movie because they formed a procreational.

Joseph Heller wrote a book about this situation, one I know you have never read because I know that learning things scares the fucking crap out of you. Nonetheless, it is still a Catch 22, a no won situation. By trying to do away with free speech you want to make it impossible for people to express their opinion about politicians when it matters most. The only conceivable reason to support that position is that you hate the idea of anyone being able to tell the truth about people you worship. That is your fucking problem, if you were to take the time to educate yourself about the real world of politics you might, just might, be worth debating. Until you do all you will receive from me is scorn.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Vermont Becomes The First State To Pass Wolf PAC Resolution

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

What is it, specifically, that you don't like about the Citizen's United decision? I'm honestly curious.

Basically, he doesn't like it because Obama said it is bad.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Quit yer whinging. It applies to big money, all big money. Do understand that Big Business out spends unions about 90 to 1 in political campaigns. So keep it balanced.

That was a demonstration of JakeStarkey unconditional support of Democrats if I ever saw one.

Political Spending by Unions Far Exceeds Direct Donations - WSJ.com

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Liberals, moderates, and conservatives, all are terrified of how business now can mislead the electorate through false advertising and thus dominating elections.

Good for Vermont, Three more states are online for this year, another eighteen at least next year.

The only people I know who are afraid of free speech are statist assholes.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Vermont Becomes The First State To Pass Wolf PAC Resolution

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

You stupid fucking asshole, what the fuck are you afraid of? The only reason to prohibit people from being able to talk is if you are a fucking coward who knows the only possible way for you to win the debate is prevent the other guy from saying anything. It takes a complete moron to claim that he hates bias and then defend laws that are specifically designed to bias the political process.

Anger is a sure sign of cognitive dissonance (CD). Calling others "stupid fucking assholes" for offering information on a critical issue is a sure sign of CD, and an indication the author of such harsh language needs counseling.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Vermont Becomes The First State To Pass Wolf PAC Resolution

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

You stupid fucking asshole, what the fuck are you afraid of? The only reason to prohibit people from being able to talk is if you are a fucking coward who knows the only possible way for you to win the debate is prevent the other guy from saying anything. It takes a complete moron to claim that he hates bias and then defend laws that are specifically designed to bias the political process.

Anger is a sure sign of cognitive dissonance (CD). Calling others "stupid fucking assholes" for offering information on a critical issue is a sure sign of CD, and an indication the author of such harsh language needs counseling.

Cognitive dissonance is holding two or more conflicting positions at the same time. Believe it or not, calling someone a stupid fucking asshole is not a sign that I have a conflict of opinion. It is, however, a sign that someone is a stupid fucking asshole. If you need evidence that I don't have a conflicitng opinion I am not the one that claims to believe in the Constitution as the foundation of the government, yet want to change it to take away the rights of people, that would be the OP, and you. That, in case you have trouble following the logic, makes you a stupid fucking asshole. If you don't like being a stupid fucking asshole, stop trying to take away the rights of people.

 

[Avatar4321]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Another thing.

I see lot's of people stand up for Citizens United just because they saw Unions donating to politicians.

Need I say, "two wrongs don't make a right?"

Why create or justify something terribly wrong just because not enough people fought against the initial problem? I just don't get it. Why double down on bad decisions?

So you really think we should amend the Constitution to eliminate the First amendment?

What exactly is wrong with criticizing politicians 30 days before an election?

You have read the actual decision right?

 

[Avatar4321]

Liberals, moderates, and conservatives, all are terrified of how business now can mislead the electorate through false advertising and thus dominating elections.

Good for Vermont, Three more states are online for this year, another eighteen at least next year.

Freedom of speech has a price, but it's worth it.

That's the difference between you and our Founders Jake, they trusted the people to make their own decisions.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You stupid fucking asshole, what the fuck are you afraid of? The only reason to prohibit people from being able to talk is if you are a fucking coward who knows the only possible way for you to win the debate is prevent the other guy from saying anything. It takes a complete moron to claim that he hates bias and then defend laws that are specifically designed to bias the political process.

Anger is a sure sign of cognitive dissonance (CD). Calling others "stupid fucking assholes" for offering information on a critical issue is a sure sign of CD, and an indication the author of such harsh language needs counseling.

Cognitive dissonance is holding two or more conflicting positions at the same time. Believe it or not, calling someone a stupid fucking asshole is not a sign that I have a conflict of opinion. It is, however, a sign that someone is a stupid fucking asshole. If you need evidence that I don't have a conflicitng opinion I am not the one that claims to believe in the Constitution as the foundation of the government, yet want to change it to take away the rights of people, that would be the OP, and you. That, in case you have trouble following the logic, makes you a stupid fucking asshole. If you don't like being a stupid fucking asshole, stop trying to take away the rights of people.

You have every right to be pathologically angry, at least up to the point that you assault, threaten or commit battery.

 

[jillian]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiiOUp-V6-4

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

good for them... the problem is the wackos will try to open up any constitutional convention to destroy the constitution as it exists.

 

[bripat9643]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Good luck getting any red state to approve that.

The funny thing about the term Conservative is it actually means unwilling or slow to change. Change happens no matter what when it's necessary. Some people know when to be Conservative and when to be Liberal.

Overturning Citizens United is a Liberal thought, it takes thinking, not a lack of. It also takes Liberal amounts of Action to change.

This is one of the longest term common sense problems in America....If the red stands against it, they will simply be exposed even more as profit mongers who work for Corporations instead of the people.

Citizens United was the correct decision and overturning it is the last thing this country needs. You and your ilk are trying to abolish the First Amendment. There is nothing "common sense" about that. There are a large number of people in this country who will fight this scheme to their last breath.

BTW, Dictionary definition often have little relevance to the real world. A "conservative" is someone who believes in freedom. These days, a self-described liberal is indistinguishable from a Stalinist.

 

[bripat9643]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Another thing.

I see lot's of people stand up for Citizens United just because they saw Unions donating to politicians.

Need I say, "two wrongs don't make a right?"

Why create or justify something terribly wrong just because not enough people fought against the initial problem? I just don't get it. Why double down on bad decisions?

Abolishing the First Amendment would make the government the final authority one what speech was allowed and what speech was illegal. Only a Stalinist would favor such an arrangement.