Vermont becomes first state to call for a Citizens United Resolution

[mayrj]

I would love to see this adopted in every state..

that will take a while

 

[bripat9643]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiiOUp-V6-4

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

What is it, specifically, that you don't like about the Citizen's United decision? I'm honestly curious.

He doesn't like the fact that people can band together to spend their money for the purpose of promoting freedom and opposing his Stalinist schemes.

 

[RKMBrown]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Only the mainstream media will be allowed to disseminate information. Of course all information distributed by the msm will first be approved by our Emperor. Hail Obama!

 

[RKMBrown]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Vermont Becomes The First State To Pass Wolf PAC Resolution

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

You stupid fucking asshole, what the fuck are you afraid of? The only reason to prohibit people from being able to talk is if you are a fucking coward who knows the only possible way for you to win the debate is prevent the other guy from saying anything. It takes a complete moron to claim that he hates bias and then defend laws that are specifically designed to bias the political process.

Anger is a sure sign of cognitive dissonance (CD). Calling others "stupid fucking assholes" for offering information on a critical issue is a sure sign of CD, and an indication the author of such harsh language needs counseling.

Anger is not a sign of "CD." That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard someone say. Ignoring clear obvious facts to carry water for your group is a sign of CD, you water carrying imbecile.

 

[Pogo]

Good luck getting any red state to approve that.

The funny thing about the term Conservative is it actually means unwilling or slow to change. Change happens no matter what when it's necessary. Some people know when to be Conservative and when to be Liberal.

Overturning Citizens United is a Liberal thought, it takes thinking, not a lack of. It also takes Liberal amounts of Action to change.

This is one of the longest term common sense problems in America....If the red stands against it, they will simply be exposed even more as profit mongers who work for Corporations instead of the people.

Actually, Politically Conservative means nothing of the sort! What it means is, 'Operate within the confines of the United States Constitution'.

Bzzzzt. Thanks for playin'.
Sorry, that's not at all what it means. Everybody has to operate within the Constitution. That's why it's the Constitution.

 

[Pogo]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Another thing.

I see lot's of people stand up for Citizens United just because they saw Unions donating to politicians.

Need I say, "two wrongs don't make a right?"

Why create or justify something terribly wrong just because not enough people fought against the initial problem? I just don't get it. Why double down on bad decisions?

Another thing, you are a complete idiot.

The issue here is not money in politics, it is common people being able to say things about politicians. The thing that makes your positrion so incredibly stupid that it amounts to believing that the Earth is 7 days old is that rich people were always able to spend as much money as they wanted on an election. The law never applied to them. If one of the Koch brothers had made "Hillary, the Movie" and tried to show it the government would not have had a problem with it. The only reason they blocked it was because a small group of regular, non rich, people got together to make the movie. The governemnt actually required them to form a corporation in order to do this, and then told them they were not allowed to show the movie because they formed a procreational.

Joseph Heller wrote a book about this situation, one I know you have never read because I know that learning things scares the fucking crap out of you. Nonetheless, it is still a Catch 22, a no won situation. By trying to do away with free speech you want to make it impossible for people to express their opinion about politicians when it matters most. The only conceivable reason to support that position is that you hate the idea of anyone being able to tell the truth about people you worship. That is your fucking problem, if you were to take the time to educate yourself about the real world of politics you might, just might, be worth debating. Until you do all you will receive from me is scorn.

What the fuck would you know about "debating", master baiter?

 

[Synthaholic]

Who receives the bulk of this explosion of money in politics?

The media, in campaign commercials, print ads, messaging, public relations, etc.

They will never get on any bandwagon that takes that money away. And we all know that they can direct the narrative and collectively bias this issue. Media/News/Advertising is effective - that's why the money goes to them in the first place.

 

[jasonnfree]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Don't worry, all of them. Unions, Soros, everybody, even individuals. Public financing only of elections is the way to go.

 

[jasonnfree]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiiOUp-V6-4

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

good for them... the problem is the wackos will try to open up any constitutional convention to destroy the constitution as it exists.

I didn't consider that, thanks. They might try to roll back the New Deal, Equal Rights, all progress made in the last 80 years.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Does that whole "getting money out of politics" thing apply to all money going to money going to politicians, or just big business? Do Unions, Soros & Bloomberg, and Hollywood fundraisers all get shut down, or does this apply solely to the Koch Brothers?

Quit yer whinging. It applies to big money, all big money. Do understand that Big Business out spends unions about 90 to 1 in political campaigns. So keep it balanced.

That was a demonstration of JakeStarkey unconditional support of Democrats if I ever saw one.

Political Spending by Unions Far Exceeds Direct Donations - WSJ.com

That was certainly an all out support for critical facts and objectivity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Liberals, moderates, and conservatives, all are terrified of how business now can mislead the electorate through false advertising and thus dominating elections.

Good for Vermont, Three more states are online for this year, another eighteen at least next year.

The only people I know who are afraid of free speech are statist assholes.

$$$ is not free speech. One man one vote enables free speech. $$$ corrupts it.

 

[emilynghiem]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

Good luck getting any red state to approve that.

Just require that all policies by govt actually align with the Constitution
and carry a consensus of the people and taxpayers affected.

Any partisan policy that is not by public consensus
is the responsibility of that party to fund for its own members.

This would keep party funding within their parties, to support their own policies.
And keep their party agenda out of govt unless the public agrees unilaterally
(unlike ACA that was clearly a partisan vote and should have stayed within that party).

 

[JakeStarkey]

Liberals, moderates, and conservatives, all are terrified of how business now can mislead the electorate through false advertising and thus dominating elections.

Good for Vermont, Three more states are online for this year, another eighteen at least next year.

Freedom of speech has a price, but it's worth it.

That's the difference between you and our Founders Jake, they trusted the people to make their own decisions.

We did not, SCOTUS overturned the will of the people as passed in Congress.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anarchists and libertarians and far right reactionaries want the oligarchy of money to rule We the People.

 

[Steven_R]

Liberals, moderates, and conservatives, all are terrified of how business now can mislead the electorate through false advertising and thus dominating elections.

Good for Vermont, Three more states are online for this year, another eighteen at least next year.

Freedom of speech has a price, but it's worth it.

That's the difference between you and our Founders Jake, they trusted the people to make their own decisions.

We did not, SCOTUS overturned the will of the people as passed in Congress.

That's kind of the Supreme Court's job when the will of the People violates that little contract Congress is supposed to abide by (aka the Constitution). Want to amend the Constitution, be my guest, but it means something, at least to some of us.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I see lot's of people stand up for Citizens United just because they saw Unions donating to politicians.

No, no one is ‘standing up’ for Citizens United, explaining that the ruling only addresses the First Amendment and the constitutionality of FEC regulations is not ‘standing up’ for anything.

In fact, the issue has nothing to do with Citizens United, it’s a perfectly appropriate ruling consistent with First Amendment jurisprudence, where the state failed to justify the means by which it sought to reach its desired goal, regardless how desirable that goal might be.

And we’re all in agreement that money and politics is a dangerous combination doing harm to the democratic component of our Republic, but violating the First Amendment to solve the problem of money and politics is just as dangerous, if not more so.

Consequently, the quick and easy ‘solution’ of passing a law is no longer available, and thankfully so; instead we’ll need to do the hard work to develop a viable solution that comports with the Constitution and its case law.

 

[jillian]

Good luck getting any red state to approve that.

The funny thing about the term Conservative is it actually means unwilling or slow to change.

Which is exactly why today's democrats and lefties are really pseudo-liberal, neocons, stuck in the 1960's.

do you always just toss out terms without any clue about the meaning of the words?

 

[jillian]

The Wolf PAC got through to Vermont! Vermont is the first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics. Congratulations Vermont and way to lead a common sense overdue change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiiOUp-V6-4

Vermont first state to call for constitutional convention to get money out of politics - Brattleboro Reformer

good for them... the problem is the wackos will try to open up any constitutional convention to destroy the constitution as it exists.

I didn't consider that, thanks. They might try to roll back the New Deal, Equal Rights, all progress made in the last 80 years.

i would think they'd mess with the 1st since they hate the fact that we have a secular government and then go after the 4th amendment, the 5th and everything that isn't the 2nd amendment...

 

[freedombecki]

I would love to see this adopted in every state..

Political power would then rest with the lying press who would write up whatever they think up as gospel for voters who can read.

They will likely be the first state to observe slander laws when people catch on to the fiction they are reading about politics.

/hastily putting on flak suit and gas mask

 

[JakeStarkey]

Freedom of speech has a price, but it's worth it.

That's the difference between you and our Founders Jake, they trusted the people to make their own decisions.

We did not, SCOTUS overturned the will of the people as passed in Congress.

That's kind of the Supreme Court's job when the will of the People violates that little contract Congress is supposed to abide by (aka the Constitution). Want to amend the Constitution, be my guest, but it means something, at least to some of us.

I agree with the principle. SCOTUS got it wrong. Soon enough justices will overturn it for good.