Video emerges of Georgia jogger attack; case headed to grand jury

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

As a smart person does. When you are that close, you go for the gun. Remember, it's life or death, not a rerun of Walker, Texas Ranger.

I'm sorry.

I am still laughing at this morsel of genius.


When confronted by a shotgun....run at it.

When driving toward a cliff.....HIT THE GAS!!!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

As a smart person does. When you are that close, you go for the gun. Remember, it's life or death, not a rerun of Walker, Texas Ranger.

I'm sorry.

I am still laughing at this morsel of genius.


When confronted by a shotgun....run at it.

When an ostrich is trying to bite off one of your appendages.....UNZIP YOUR FLY.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

As a smart person does. When you are that close, you go for the gun. Remember, it's life or death, not a rerun of Walker, Texas Ranger.

If you're walking on the railroad tracks and a train starts coming....LAY DOWN...

 

[Ame®icano]

Is this a reason why they don't play full video from the construction site?

First picture show the shoes he had in the building. Second shows his shoes during the fight.

 

[Norman]

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

As a smart person does. When you are that close, you go for the gun. Remember, it's life or death, not a rerun of Walker, Texas Ranger.

If you're walking on the railroad tracks and a train starts coming....LAY DOWN...

Should you not run toward the train?

Yup it's quite stupid, but then so is riding properties.

 

[Ame®icano]

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

As a smart person does. When you are that close, you go for the gun. Remember, it's life or death, not a rerun of Walker, Texas Ranger.

If you're walking on the railroad tracks and a train starts coming....LAY DOWN...

Should you not run toward the train?

Yup it's quite stupid, but then so is riding properties.

Run tow... what? No man, you charge it, no... you tackle it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Simple assault:
(a) A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she either:

(1) Attempts to commit a violent injury to the person of another; or

(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.


Aggravated Assault:
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:

(1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;

(2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; or

(3) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.


Make the case.

Simple assault 2(a) seems to meet the minimal requirement:
"A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury"

You don't think that being chased down, yelled at and approached by men with guns in their hands would cause apprehension in the average person? There are people who freak out when they see others out in pubic openly carrying a firearm in a holster, the weapon not even in their hands, so there is absolutely no reason to assume that finding yourself in this type of scenario is because of something good.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

After I'd just illegally trespassed in a construction zone and went into a building under construction?

ILLeGaLly TrESpAsSiNg?!?!?!?

Oh my

I certainly hope they out this scary man to death. *clutches pearls*

Listen to yourself.

Yep. Committed a crime.And not his first.

Do that to my neighbors residence and they'll fucking shoot you. The lady is sweet as can be but has told this old drunk black man who rides his bike up and down the street don't come in my yard or I'll shoot you dead. "Yes maam" was his reply.

The penalty for trespass is not summary execution. She may shoot him but she'd be in the wrong and in a just world, would serve time for depriving him of his life when he was not presenting a imminent threat of grievous bodily harm or death to her.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Is this a reason why they don't play full video from the construction site?

First picture show the shoes he had in the building. Second shows his shoes during the fight.

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The first photo looks like low-tops, while the second looks like high-tops, at least to me.

 

[Faun]

This is the expected response to this situation. A bunch of ignorant cracker racists talking about a white man who had no mother fucking reason to be holding a gun on somebody in the first place defending himself against some blacks guy who they want to claim ran towards a gun.

It is apparent that after the first shot was fired from the truck at Arbery he saw the other white man pointing the gun at him and knew he was about to be shot so he went for it.

My eyes tell me a completely different story:
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You believe, and have admitted that you believe, that these two "crackers" (as you say) were intending to murder Arbery and that at no point was it possible for Arbery to do something other than what the video above shows, that would have prevented Arbery's death.

I will let everyone here decide if that belief is reasonable under the circumstances.

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A guy in a white shirt running in front of a truck and grabbing onto someone who got out of the truck
That’s what I see, don’t know who is who.
Who is who?

The question is, was Aubrey shot before he grabbed T.M.'s gun in front of the truck?

That's irrelevant. They had no right to pull guns on another person.

That's not irrelevant at all. If he was shot before he grabbed the gun or after he grabbed the gun is the difference between self defense and murder. How do you feel about the death penalty if they are guilty of murder. I say so, the death penalty, yes.

Nonsense. You don't have to wait until somebody shoots you to defend yourself. If you have a reasonable belief they're going to shoot you, you can defend yourself.

 

[Faun]

The question is intent and what constitutes lawful action.

Murder:
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-5/article-1/16-5-1"(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

"(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

"(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life."

If the facts somehow show malice aforethought (which is a legal term meaning premeditated intent to unlawfully kill) you have murder. It's really hard for me to find, based on what is in the video and other factual allegations, that the idiot white dudes intended to unlawfully kill Arbery. If more evidence comes forward, I will reconsider.

HOWEVER, if their actions in attempting to stop an unarmed citizen without legal justification amounts to a felony, I could see a Felony Murder conviction, under (c). It looks like we need more information on "citizen's arrest" in Georgia.

Voluntary Manslaughter:
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-5/article-1/16-5-2(a) A person commits the offense of voluntary manslaughter when he causes the death of another human being under circumstances which would otherwise be murder and if he acts solely as the result of a sudden, violent, and irresistible passion resulting from serious provocation sufficient to excite such passion in a reasonable person; however, if there should have been an interval between the provocation and the killing sufficient for the voice of reason and humanity to be heard, of which the jury in all cases shall be the judge, the killing shall be attributed to deliberate revenge and be punished as murder.

(b) A person who commits the offense of voluntary manslaughter, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years.

I will need more facts on this, but I doubt it applies

Involuntary Manslaughter:
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-5/article-1/16-5-3(a) A person commits the offense of involuntary manslaughter in the commission of an unlawful act when he causes the death of another human being without any intention to do so by the commission of an unlawful act other than a felony. A person who commits the offense of involuntary manslaughter in the commission of an unlawful act, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years.

(b) A person commits the offense of involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act in an unlawful manner when he causes the death of another human being without any intention to do so, by the commission of a lawful act in an unlawful manner likely to cause death or great bodily harm. A person who commits the offense of involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act in an unlawful manner, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

Item (a) appears to be a "misdemeanor murder" statute, where one can be convicted of an offense if he was committing an unlawful act which amounts to a misdemeanor, rather than a felony, and it resulted in the death of another.

It appears one way or another that these two white dudes could be punished AT A MINIMUM for misdemeanor. Again, I will need to look at the Georgia statutes closer to see if they were acting lawfully, in any way, by making a "citizen's arrest."

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He intended to kill him when he pulled the trigger with the gun pointing at Arbery.

 

[IM2]

So, instead of continuing on or heading for the tree line, he runs over and tries to take a shotgun from one of the men?

As a smart person does. When you are that close, you go for the gun. Remember, it's life or death, not a rerun of Walker, Texas Ranger.

If you're walking on the railroad tracks and a train starts coming....LAY DOWN...

Bootney all your little punk ass comments doesn't change the fact that guns never should have been drawn on him and that situation should not have happened. That's where we who are sane are coming from.

A LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED IF THOSE WHITE DUDES HAD NOT DECIDED TO TAKE THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS.

 

[KissMy]

Even though these guys shouldn't have used guns to attempt to apprehend a burglary suspect, if they get a jury of their peers, they will not be convicted for trying to apprehend this violent criminal because he attempted to use the gun.

 

[IM2]

Even though these guys shouldn't have used guns to attempt to apprehend a burglary suspect, if they get a jury of their peers, they will not be convicted, for trying to apprehend this violent criminal.

Yeah they are going to get away with murder. That's how the justice system works. As Richard Pryor said, justice means JUST US blacks.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

Even though these guys shouldn't have used guns to attempt to apprehend a burglary suspect, if they get a jury of their peers, they will not be convicted, for trying to apprehend this violent criminal because he attempted to use the gun.

He only turned 'violent' AFTER he had a gun pulled on him. In some areas of the world, that's considered 'self-defense.'

 

[Meathead]

Even though these guys shouldn't have used guns to attempt to apprehend a burglary suspect, if they get a jury of their peers, they will not be convicted, for trying to apprehend this violent criminal because he attempted to use the gun.

He only turned 'violent' AFTER he had a gun pulled on him. In some areas of the world, that's considered 'self-defense.'

He turned violent as soon as it was possible, obviously.

 

[KissMy]

Even though these guys shouldn't have used guns to attempt to apprehend a burglary suspect, if they get a jury of their peers, they will not be convicted, for trying to apprehend this violent criminal.

Yeah they are going to get away with murder. That's how the justice system works. As Richard Pryor said, justice means JUST US blacks.

It has nothing to do with your lying racist accusations. They saw him run uninvited inside a residence & run away when ask what he was doing in there. It was reasonable to believe they interrupted a felony in progress, justifying a citizen's arrest until LEO could arrive. He was not shot for trying to flee the scene of the crime. He was shot while trying to kill the citizen with his own gun.

 

[Gantlemagne]

Even though these guys shouldn't have used guns to attempt to apprehend a burglary suspect, if they get a jury of their peers, they will not be convicted, for trying to apprehend this violent criminal.

Yeah they are going to get away with murder. That's how the justice system works. As Richard Pryor said, justice means JUST US blacks.

Considering the current trends in crime and the state of non Neanderthal nations in Africa... and Haiti, the country founded on eternal hatred, I would say that having only Homo Sapien Sapiens, which is genocidal by the way, is not justice at all. I think of Scandinavia and how fair and free laws are there, and fair minded the people.

But I do say that being a KKK member is also an act of treason and terrorism.

 

[Faun]

Even though these guys shouldn't have used guns to attempt to apprehend a burglary suspect, if they get a jury of their peers, they will not be convicted, for trying to apprehend this violent criminal.

Yeah they are going to get away with murder. That's how the justice system works. As Richard Pryor said, justice means JUST US blacks.

It has nothing to do with your lying racist accusations. They saw him run uninvited inside a residence & run away when ask what he was doing in there. It was reasonable to believe they interrupted a felony in progress, justifying a citizen's arrest until LEO could arrive. He was not shot for trying to flee the scene of the crime. He was shot while trying to kill the citizen with his own gun.

"They saw him run uninvited inside a residence & run away when ask what he was doing in there."

Not true. All Gregory McMichael saw was Arbery running down the street. Travis McMichael didn't even see that. He was inside and saw nothing.

 

[Faun]

There's now should be charges of terrorism/hate crime pending... I still can see a self-defense argument, but... I think the court of public opinion will be swiftly going towards the GM and TM as illegally detaining and harassing Aubrey.

Photo Emerges Appearing To Show Ahmaud Arbery's Killer At KKK Rally

On Saturday, GAFollowers.com shared an image which they claim is of Gregory McMichael at a KKK rally in Georgia back in 2016.

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I don’t believe the guy in that photo has been positively identified as Gregory McMichael.