Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[rightwinger]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

 

[JustAGuy1]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

Run along junior.

Vietnam War or Second Indochina War broke out between the communists which included Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and National Liberation Front (Viet Cong), and the anti-communists which included the USA, Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) and its allies such as Australia, South Korea, Thailand etc. The communists received supports from People's Republic of China and Soviet Union. The war lasted from 1960 to 1975 and spilled over into Laos and Cambodia.

Communist Party of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Khmer Rouge regime murdered hundreds of thousands of their perceived political opponents, and its racist emphasis on national purity resulted in the genocide of Cambodian minorities. Arbitrary executions and torture were carried out by its cadres against perceived subversive elements, or during genocidal purges of its own ranks between 1975 and 1978.[14] Ultimately, the Cambodian genocide led to the death of 1.5 to 2 million people, around 25% of Cambodia's population.

Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JustAGuy1]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

 

[rightwinger]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

Run along junior.

Vietnam War or Second Indochina War broke out between the communists which included Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and National Liberation Front (Viet Cong), and the anti-communists which included the USA, Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) and its allies such as Australia, South Korea, Thailand etc. The communists received supports from People's Republic of China and Soviet Union. The war lasted from 1960 to 1975 and spilled over into Laos and Cambodia.

Communist Party of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Khmer Rouge regime murdered hundreds of thousands of their perceived political opponents, and its racist emphasis on national purity resulted in the genocide of Cambodian minorities. Arbitrary executions and torture were carried out by its cadres against perceived subversive elements, or during genocidal purges of its own ranks between 1975 and 1978.[14] Ultimately, the Cambodian genocide led to the death of 1.5 to 2 million people, around 25% of Cambodia's population.

Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice try
But Vietnam did not control Pol Pot or the Khmer Rouge.
Your link

“The regime was removed from power in 1979 when Vietnam invaded Cambodia and quickly destroyed most of the Khmer Rouge's forces.”

You claimed Vietnam Communists killed millions.....still waiting

 

[rightwinger]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

The US extended the war into Laos and Cambodia

Your claiming that Pol Pot was a Vietnam stooge is incorrect

 

[JustAGuy1]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

Run along junior.

Vietnam War or Second Indochina War broke out between the communists which included Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and National Liberation Front (Viet Cong), and the anti-communists which included the USA, Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) and its allies such as Australia, South Korea, Thailand etc. The communists received supports from People's Republic of China and Soviet Union. The war lasted from 1960 to 1975 and spilled over into Laos and Cambodia.

Communist Party of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Khmer Rouge regime murdered hundreds of thousands of their perceived political opponents, and its racist emphasis on national purity resulted in the genocide of Cambodian minorities. Arbitrary executions and torture were carried out by its cadres against perceived subversive elements, or during genocidal purges of its own ranks between 1975 and 1978.[14] Ultimately, the Cambodian genocide led to the death of 1.5 to 2 million people, around 25% of Cambodia's population.

Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice try
But Vietnam did not control Pol Pot or the Khmer Rouge.

You claimed Vietnam Communists killed millions.....still waiting

You're not a bright guy, as I have shown the Vietnam War was not confined to Vietnam, it spilled into Cambodia and Laos. The Vietnam Communists supported and fought along side the Communists of Cambodia. I said the Communists purged millions. You don't read well. You should also research what the Vietnam Communists did to the Vietnamese people. Have you always been a Communist?

"The communists received supports from People's Republic of China and Soviet Union. The war lasted from 1960 to 1975 and spilled over into Laos and Cambodia."

Vietnam on it's own....

The first time, charges arose from Hanoi's policy of forcing tens of thousands of its longtime citizens of Chinese ancestry onto the high seas in boats no better than floating coffins. Uncounted thousands died before an international outcry ended at least the most egregious manifestations of that policy.

Having practiced genocide on one ethnic group, Vietnam promptly turned upon another. As part of an evident effort to dominate the whole Indochinese peninsula, Hanoi has put hundreds of thousands of Cambodians -- perhaps even millions -- under the threat of starvation. These people have been driven from their homes and fields into barren no-man's-lands where all the combatants in the continuing war in Cambodia, but especially the Vietnamese, are using crop destruction and denial tactics to impose their political control.

Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them? 50 years of history has shown that not to be...

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[JustAGuy1]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

The US extended the war into Laos and Cambodia

Your claiming that Pol Pot was a Vietnam stooge is incorrect

Run along, you don't get to words in my mouth. The Communists (as they ALWAYS do) purged millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, ALL Communist regimes do it.

 

[rightwinger]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

The US extended the war into Laos and Cambodia

Your claiming that Pol Pot was a Vietnam stooge is incorrect

Run along, you don't get to words in my mouth. The Communists (as they ALWAYS do) purged millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, ALL Communist regimes do it.

MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS

We fought against Communism in VIETNAM
You are bringing up other countries that Vietnam had no control over.

If you are concerned with Pol Pot, it was VIETNAM that invaded Cambodia and drove the Khmer Rouge out

 

[9thIDdoc]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

I forget nothing. You forget that I've been there; done that and paid attention. I received my draft notice but enlisted for the very reason you state. I suspected I might be allergic to assorted chunks of metal penetrating my body. I was offered my choice of Army schools based on my scores on entrance testing but was required to commit to an additional 1-2 years service. I signed up and-following basic training-was indeed transported to my chosen school where I was promptly informed that the Army had completed it's contract by sending me to the school. I could be reassigned at any time at the army's discretion for any reason. Make no mistake, when you enter the military (government) owns you and retains the option to reclaim you for decades after you "get out". If you willfully or negligently damage yourself you will be charged with "Damaging Government Property" and penalized. Elsewhere slaves are considered an investment and are reasonably housed and fed but, as in other forms of slavery, in the military if you prove to be more a liability than an asset seriously bad things will happen to you which may include death or dismemberment.
Don't misunderstand. I do believe citizenship comes with a duty to serve the Nation if needed and would do it again if necessary and am proud of, and pleased with, my service. But signing up should always be optional rather than forced. If America is to be a free country it must not do so through slavery.

I forgot nothing. I simply did not pay attention with you to begin with.

Actually World War Two had higher percentage of draftees serving in the military than Vietnam did.

Would you suggest the U.S. should not have drafted so many millions in World War Two? Wasn't it worth it to help defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

I suggest that if the US had not been able to defeat Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan without conscription she did not deserve to do so. If the people will not support and defend the Country they are citizens of, they do not deserve that country. Freedom and slavery do not mix. I believe that the people of that generation would have done just fine without conscription. They still believed in duty honor and Country. The cowards of the Vietnam era-dodged the draft and went went to Canada while others were conscripted to go in harms way in their stead. And quite a few never came back. They should have never been allowed to come back and to this day deserve to be deported. If and when the draft is restarted the cowards will simply leave again, allow others to fight and die in their place, reassured that they will be welcomed back with open arms when all the unpleasantness is over.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

The US extended the war into Laos and Cambodia

Your claiming that Pol Pot was a Vietnam stooge is incorrect

Run along, you don't get to words in my mouth. The Communists (as they ALWAYS do) purged millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, ALL Communist regimes do it.

MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS

We fought against Communism in VIETNAM
You are bringing up other countries that Vietnam had no control over.

If you are concerned with Pol Pot, it was VIETNAM that invaded Cambodia and drove the Khmer Rouge out

By the same token South Vietnam had no control over the US and North Vietnam had no legitimate control over South Vietnam. Our war was with Communism; not over any one particular sect.

 

[Desperado]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

I forget nothing. You forget that I've been there; done that and paid attention. I received my draft notice but enlisted for the very reason you state. I suspected I might be allergic to assorted chunks of metal penetrating my body. I was offered my choice of Army schools based on my scores on entrance testing but was required to commit to an additional 1-2 years service. I signed up and-following basic training-was indeed transported to my chosen school where I was promptly informed that the Army had completed it's contract by sending me to the school. I could be reassigned at any time at the army's discretion for any reason. Make no mistake, when you enter the military (government) owns you and retains the option to reclaim you for decades after you "get out". If you willfully or negligently damage yourself you will be charged with "Damaging Government Property" and penalized. Elsewhere slaves are considered an investment and are reasonably housed and fed but, as in other forms of slavery, in the military if you prove to be more a liability than an asset seriously bad things will happen to you which may include death or dismemberment.
Don't misunderstand. I do believe citizenship comes with a duty to serve the Nation if needed and would do it again if necessary and am proud of, and pleased with, my service. But signing up should always be optional rather than forced. If America is to be a free country it must not do so through slavery.

I forgot nothing. I simply did not pay attention with you to begin with.

Actually World War Two had higher percentage of draftees serving in the military than Vietnam did.

Would you suggest the U.S. should not have drafted so many millions in World War Two? Wasn't it worth it to help defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

I suggest that if the US had not been able to defeat Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan without conscription she did not deserve to do so. If the people will not support and defend the Country they are citizens of, they do not deserve that country. Freedom and slavery do not mix. I believe that the people of that generation would have done just fine without conscription. They still believed in duty honor and Country. The cowards of the Vietnam era-dodged the draft and went went to Canada while others were conscripted to go in harms way in their stead. And quite a few never came back. They should have never been allowed to come back and to this day deserve to be deported. If and when the draft is restarted the cowards will simply leave again, allow others to fight and die in their place, reassured that they will be welcomed back with open arms when all the unpleasantness is over.

There has not been a war since WW2 that was worth fighting in. None of the so called wars we have been involved in since Korea was not worth any American Blood or treasure. If there still was a draft, I could understand people avoiding it, These wars play no part in making America safer or Freer

 

[9thIDdoc]

A

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

I forget nothing. You forget that I've been there; done that and paid attention. I received my draft notice but enlisted for the very reason you state. I suspected I might be allergic to assorted chunks of metal penetrating my body. I was offered my choice of Army schools based on my scores on entrance testing but was required to commit to an additional 1-2 years service. I signed up and-following basic training-was indeed transported to my chosen school where I was promptly informed that the Army had completed it's contract by sending me to the school. I could be reassigned at any time at the army's discretion for any reason. Make no mistake, when you enter the military (government) owns you and retains the option to reclaim you for decades after you "get out". If you willfully or negligently damage yourself you will be charged with "Damaging Government Property" and penalized. Elsewhere slaves are considered an investment and are reasonably housed and fed but, as in other forms of slavery, in the military if you prove to be more a liability than an asset seriously bad things will happen to you which may include death or dismemberment.
Don't misunderstand. I do believe citizenship comes with a duty to serve the Nation if needed and would do it again if necessary and am proud of, and pleased with, my service. But signing up should always be optional rather than forced. If America is to be a free country it must not do so through slavery.

I forgot nothing. I simply did not pay attention with you to begin with.

Actually World War Two had higher percentage of draftees serving in the military than Vietnam did.

Would you suggest the U.S. should not have drafted so many millions in World War Two? Wasn't it worth it to help defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

Are you actually comparing WW2 to Vietnam?
Was it worth all the American Dead and wounded to help South Vietnam in their civil war?

Absolutely. And there was no civil war in South Vietnam after the Viet Cong were destroyed effectively in 1968.

South Vietnam did not fall to a bunch of guerrillas in pajamas. South Vietnam fell to massive North Vietnamese columns of tanks featuring more armored vehicles than the Nazis used to conquer France in 1940.

You have proven you have no common sense.
The US should never have been involved in Vietnam in the first place.

Sez you and the other Communist sympathizers on this board. Talk big but never support your argument.

 

[rightwinger]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

History says you are wrong

Vietnam went from peasants working rice fields in extreme poverty to one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

In 1986, Vietnam launched a political and economic renewal campaign (Đổi Mới) that introduced reforms to facilitate the transition from a centralized economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy". Đổi Mới combined government planning with free-marketincentives and encouraged the establishment of private businesses and foreign investment, including foreign-owned enterprises. FBy the late 1990s, the success of the business and agricultural reforms ushered in under Đổi Mới was evident. More than 30,000 private businesses had been created, the economy was growing at an annual rate of more than 7%, and poverty was nearly halved.[35]

Throughout the 1990s, exports increased by as much as 20% to 30% in some years. In 1999, exports accounted for 40% of GDP, an impressive performance in the midst of the economic crisis that hit other countries in Asia

Economy of Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism.

The senseless war killed millions of civilians just to keep them from turning Communist

History has shown that Vietnam did just fine under Communism. Much better than under French and US occupation

You can't move the goal posts, it will NEVER work with me.

Look dumbass, we're talking about Vietnam in the 60's, they purged the population of MILLIONS of people. God you're an idiot. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Who defends Communism. You're sick, very sick.

The war purged millions of people
The point I have been making throughout this thread is that interference by the French and the US led to millions of unnecessary deaths over 25 years of war.

Also that the threat of the evils that would happen from them turning Commie turned out to be grossly exaggerated and Vietnam did just fine without their Western masters

Tell that to the MILLIONS that they purged junior. You are a disgusting human.

Get your Google out and......Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people

Just stop, you look like an ass here. The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

Same challenge to you
Show me where Vietnam purged MILLIONS of people
Otherwise....YOU look like an ass

You aren't my league, first you use statistics from the 80's and 90's when we're talking about the 60's and early 70's, now you're dodging again.

The Vietnam War encompassed Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. You REALLY want to try and make the point that there was no purge?

We are talking about Vietnam being better off under the Communist leadership than under French and US occupation. My referencing the 80s and 90s shows that

Still waiting for you to show your claim that VIETNAM killed millions
Not Laos and Cambodia. They are different countries

KId you're dodging. I knew you would, sissy's like you always do. The vietnam war was not fought in just Vietnam. Your shit can't/won't work on me.

The US extended the war into Laos and Cambodia

Your claiming that Pol Pot was a Vietnam stooge is incorrect

Run along, you don't get to words in my mouth. The Communists (as they ALWAYS do) purged millions. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, ALL Communist regimes do it.

MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS

We fought against Communism in VIETNAM
You are bringing up other countries that Vietnam had no control over.

If you are concerned with Pol Pot, it was VIETNAM that invaded Cambodia and drove the Khmer Rouge out

By the same token South Vietnam had no control over the US and North Vietnam had no legitimate control over South Vietnam. Our war was with Communism; not over any one particular sect.

Very true
Our war was with Communism in Vietnam
Kill millions just so they won’t become Communist

Better Dead than Red

 

[9thIDdoc]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

I forget nothing. You forget that I've been there; done that and paid attention. I received my draft notice but enlisted for the very reason you state. I suspected I might be allergic to assorted chunks of metal penetrating my body. I was offered my choice of Army schools based on my scores on entrance testing but was required to commit to an additional 1-2 years service. I signed up and-following basic training-was indeed transported to my chosen school where I was promptly informed that the Army had completed it's contract by sending me to the school. I could be reassigned at any time at the army's discretion for any reason. Make no mistake, when you enter the military (government) owns you and retains the option to reclaim you for decades after you "get out". If you willfully or negligently damage yourself you will be charged with "Damaging Government Property" and penalized. Elsewhere slaves are considered an investment and are reasonably housed and fed but, as in other forms of slavery, in the military if you prove to be more a liability than an asset seriously bad things will happen to you which may include death or dismemberment.
Don't misunderstand. I do believe citizenship comes with a duty to serve the Nation if needed and would do it again if necessary and am proud of, and pleased with, my service. But signing up should always be optional rather than forced. If America is to be a free country it must not do so through slavery.

I forgot nothing. I simply did not pay attention with you to begin with.

Actually World War Two had higher percentage of draftees serving in the military than Vietnam did.

Would you suggest the U.S. should not have drafted so many millions in World War Two? Wasn't it worth it to help defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

I suggest that if the US had not been able to defeat Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan without conscription she did not deserve to do so. If the people will not support and defend the Country they are citizens of, they do not deserve that country. Freedom and slavery do not mix. I believe that the people of that generation would have done just fine without conscription. They still believed in duty honor and Country. The cowards of the Vietnam era-dodged the draft and went went to Canada while others were conscripted to go in harms way in their stead. And quite a few never came back. They should have never been allowed to come back and to this day deserve to be deported. If and when the draft is restarted the cowards will simply leave again, allow others to fight and die in their place, reassured that they will be welcomed back with open arms when all the unpleasantness is over.

There has not been a war since WW2 that was worth fighting in. None of the so called wars we have been involved in since Korea was not worth any American Blood or treasure. If there still was a draft, I could understand people avoiding it, These wars play no part in making America safer or Freer

And if you had been around you would have said the same thing about any other war this country has fought. You think there is no cause that is worth risking one drop of your overly precious blood for. You are just trying to excuse cowardice rather than discussing ideology.

 

[Desperado]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

I forget nothing. You forget that I've been there; done that and paid attention. I received my draft notice but enlisted for the very reason you state. I suspected I might be allergic to assorted chunks of metal penetrating my body. I was offered my choice of Army schools based on my scores on entrance testing but was required to commit to an additional 1-2 years service. I signed up and-following basic training-was indeed transported to my chosen school where I was promptly informed that the Army had completed it's contract by sending me to the school. I could be reassigned at any time at the army's discretion for any reason. Make no mistake, when you enter the military (government) owns you and retains the option to reclaim you for decades after you "get out". If you willfully or negligently damage yourself you will be charged with "Damaging Government Property" and penalized. Elsewhere slaves are considered an investment and are reasonably housed and fed but, as in other forms of slavery, in the military if you prove to be more a liability than an asset seriously bad things will happen to you which may include death or dismemberment.
Don't misunderstand. I do believe citizenship comes with a duty to serve the Nation if needed and would do it again if necessary and am proud of, and pleased with, my service. But signing up should always be optional rather than forced. If America is to be a free country it must not do so through slavery.

I forgot nothing. I simply did not pay attention with you to begin with.

Actually World War Two had higher percentage of draftees serving in the military than Vietnam did.

Would you suggest the U.S. should not have drafted so many millions in World War Two? Wasn't it worth it to help defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

I suggest that if the US had not been able to defeat Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan without conscription she did not deserve to do so. If the people will not support and defend the Country they are citizens of, they do not deserve that country. Freedom and slavery do not mix. I believe that the people of that generation would have done just fine without conscription. They still believed in duty honor and Country. The cowards of the Vietnam era-dodged the draft and went went to Canada while others were conscripted to go in harms way in their stead. And quite a few never came back. They should have never been allowed to come back and to this day deserve to be deported. If and when the draft is restarted the cowards will simply leave again, allow others to fight and die in their place, reassured that they will be welcomed back with open arms when all the unpleasantness is over.

There has not been a war since WW2 that was worth fighting in. None of the so called wars we have been involved in since Korea was not worth any American Blood or treasure. If there still was a draft, I could understand people avoiding it, These wars play no part in making America safer or Freer

And if you had been around you would have said the same thing about any other war this country has fought. You think there is no cause that is worth risking one drop of your overly precious blood for. You are just trying to excuse cowardice rather than discussing ideology.

Ill make it easy for you, How did Korea or Vietnam make the United States more free or more secure?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

I forget nothing. You forget that I've been there; done that and paid attention. I received my draft notice but enlisted for the very reason you state. I suspected I might be allergic to assorted chunks of metal penetrating my body. I was offered my choice of Army schools based on my scores on entrance testing but was required to commit to an additional 1-2 years service. I signed up and-following basic training-was indeed transported to my chosen school where I was promptly informed that the Army had completed it's contract by sending me to the school. I could be reassigned at any time at the army's discretion for any reason. Make no mistake, when you enter the military (government) owns you and retains the option to reclaim you for decades after you "get out". If you willfully or negligently damage yourself you will be charged with "Damaging Government Property" and penalized. Elsewhere slaves are considered an investment and are reasonably housed and fed but, as in other forms of slavery, in the military if you prove to be more a liability than an asset seriously bad things will happen to you which may include death or dismemberment.
Don't misunderstand. I do believe citizenship comes with a duty to serve the Nation if needed and would do it again if necessary and am proud of, and pleased with, my service. But signing up should always be optional rather than forced. If America is to be a free country it must not do so through slavery.

I forgot nothing. I simply did not pay attention with you to begin with.

Actually World War Two had higher percentage of draftees serving in the military than Vietnam did.

Would you suggest the U.S. should not have drafted so many millions in World War Two? Wasn't it worth it to help defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

I suggest that if the US had not been able to defeat Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan without conscription she did not deserve to do so. If the people will not support and defend the Country they are citizens of, they do not deserve that country. Freedom and slavery do not mix. I believe that the people of that generation would have done just fine without conscription. They still believed in duty honor and Country. The cowards of the Vietnam era-dodged the draft and went went to Canada while others were conscripted to go in harms way in their stead. And quite a few never came back. They should have never been allowed to come back and to this day deserve to be deported. If and when the draft is restarted the cowards will simply leave again, allow others to fight and die in their place, reassured that they will be welcomed back with open arms when all the unpleasantness is over.

There has not been a war since WW2 that was worth fighting in. None of the so called wars we have been involved in since Korea was not worth any American Blood or treasure. If there still was a draft, I could understand people avoiding it, These wars play no part in making America safer or Freer

And if you had been around you would have said the same thing about any other war this country has fought. You think there is no cause that is worth risking one drop of your overly precious blood for. You are just trying to excuse cowardice rather than discussing ideology.

Ill make it easy for you, How did Korea or Vietnam make the United States more free or more secure?

I'll make it easy for you. What makes think you have the right or the knowledge decide US foreign policy? Megalomania much?

 

[longly]

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them. The idea of a few million dead communists just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. They killed my friends. You think I should kiss them?

50 years of history has shown that not to be true. The propaganda at the time talked about communist enslavement and mass murder. The fact is that the average Vietnamese person did better than they did under French or American occupation.
Yes, 60,000 Americans died rather than allow Vietnam to become communist. The few million “dead communists” you talk about were average civilians trying to survive in the midst of an unnecessary war.
Your friends died because of war hawks willing to sacrifice them for political and financial reasons

What a piece of crap liar you are. NOBODY did "better" under the Communists you idiot.

Communism is a form of slavery; anyone who supports communist supports slavery. Under communism, the people are the property of the communist state.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

50 years later, History shows Jane Fonda was correct.

US Vietnam policy was a disaster

LBJ and his goons were a disaster and I know hundreds of guys who would have liked to blast Fonda's brains out, including me. She was a traitor who caused POWs to be tortured and beaten to death.

Johnson and Nixon both were traiters as well same as her,they also were responsible fir pows being tortured and beaten desth,those two were the murderers of the 58,000 Americans.

 

[Dayton3]

Consc

Americans were willing to die rather than allow communists to enslave a peaceful ally who wanted no part of them.

Most were enslaved via the draft and expected to needlessly give their lives for a meaningless military escapade.

The thing I’m most proud of my Boomer Generation doing was getting rid of the the draft.

Nobody has gotten rid of the draft. It's just not presently being used. Doesn't mean it won't be back in use tomorrow or fifteen minutes from now.

There would be hell to pay if they even tried to bring it back,
No Presidential candidate could get away with supporting the draft

People said the same thing last time. Then they drafted me. Tends to make people a bit skeptical.

The nature of military service has changed in the last 50 years.
It s not as labor intensive and is more specialized and high skilled
A Volunteer service is optimal

What changes in the military is peacetime vs wartime. We have had a basically peacetime military since Vietnam. But you forget that highly skilled/trained people were prime targets of the draft and will be again. Those folks tend to be highly successful and well paid in cushy civilian employment. Do you honestly think they are going to run out and enlist for a drastic cut in pay, and horrible living conditions away from their loved ones (to possibly never see them again)? Should war come our more effeminate soldiers will be leaving the military post haste and will need to be replaced. I am-and always have been-against the draft. Nations that require slave armies to exist simply don't deserve to. If citizens are unwilling to attend to the duties and responsibilities of citizenship they deserve to become slaves to whoever will take them.

Conscription is NOT SLAVERY. You also forget (in the United States) the relationship between conscription and volunteering. That is historically a substantial number of Americans volunteered for service in part due to the existence of a draft so they would have some control over their fates.

I forget nothing. You forget that I've been there; done that and paid attention. I received my draft notice but enlisted for the very reason you state. I suspected I might be allergic to assorted chunks of metal penetrating my body. I was offered my choice of Army schools based on my scores on entrance testing but was required to commit to an additional 1-2 years service. I signed up and-following basic training-was indeed transported to my chosen school where I was promptly informed that the Army had completed it's contract by sending me to the school. I could be reassigned at any time at the army's discretion for any reason. Make no mistake, when you enter the military (government) owns you and retains the option to reclaim you for decades after you "get out". If you willfully or negligently damage yourself you will be charged with "Damaging Government Property" and penalized. Elsewhere slaves are considered an investment and are reasonably housed and fed but, as in other forms of slavery, in the military if you prove to be more a liability than an asset seriously bad things will happen to you which may include death or dismemberment.
Don't misunderstand. I do believe citizenship comes with a duty to serve the Nation if needed and would do it again if necessary and am proud of, and pleased with, my service. But signing up should always be optional rather than forced. If America is to be a free country it must not do so through slavery.

I forgot nothing. I simply did not pay attention with you to begin with.

Actually World War Two had higher percentage of draftees serving in the military than Vietnam did.

Would you suggest the U.S. should not have drafted so many millions in World War Two? Wasn't it worth it to help defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

I suggest that if the US had not been able to defeat Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan without conscription she did not deserve to do so. If the people will not support and defend the Country they are citizens of, they do not deserve that country. Freedom and slavery do not mix. I believe that the people of that generation would have done just fine without conscription. They still believed in duty honor and Country. The cowards of the Vietnam era-dodged the draft and went went to Canada while others were conscripted to go in harms way in their stead. And quite a few never came back. They should have never been allowed to come back and to this day deserve to be deported. If and when the draft is restarted the cowards will simply leave again, allow others to fight and die in their place, reassured that they will be welcomed back with open arms when all the unpleasantness is over.

There has not been a war since WW2 that was worth fighting in. None of the so called wars we have been involved in since Korea was not worth any American Blood or treasure. If there still was a draft, I could understand people avoiding it, These wars play no part in making America safer or Freer

And if you had been around you would have said the same thing about any other war this country has fought. You think there is no cause that is worth risking one drop of your overly precious blood for. You are just trying to excuse cowardice rather than discussing ideology.

Ill make it easy for you, How did Korea or Vietnam make the United States more free or more secure?

Why should they have?

 

[rightwinger]

Why should they have?

Because we sacrificed almost 100,000 lives