Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[Rigby5]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Not a myth, asshole.

You think our soldiers are meek?

I think you are an asshole, that you ignore the evidence presented because it disproves your biased OPINION.

I don't think you have a clue as to what it took those men assaulted to keep walking, so they could continue their journeys, instead of being arrested, and either paying a fine, or being incarcerated.


I also think you should get on your hands and knees to thank those that did what you didn't have the nerve, or guts, to do.

are you starting to get an opinion of how low I think you are for attacking veterans?

According to the Urban Legend ......
Our trained killer soldiers came home and dirty, stinking, draft-dodging hippies spat on them and not a one struck back

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think soldier on his way home would want to take the chance of a conviction, or even a fine?

Delay his trip by even an hour while waiting for the cops?

are you seriously that STUPID?

If some hippie spat on him?
You bet your ass

Ask any Marine today how he would react to someone spitting on him

You take stupid to a new level.

I will accept that as a victory

You is STOOPID is a concession of defeat

Bud...

you can take it anyway you want.

You lost the first time you made the claim.

Links have been posted PROVING you are wrong, and your reaction is .

Don't bother responding.


there is only so much stupidity I can handle in a day.

and you passed my limit for the month.

No other war had such organized resistance as Vietnam.
That VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), was a huge percentage of the protestors against the war.

{...
The fluctuating membership size has had varied estimates. The organization remained small until late 1969 when it gained several hundred new members.[4] With the Nixon administration's decision to invade Cambodia and the Kent State shootings in 1970, VVAW's visibility increased, and they attracted new members, increasing from 1,500 to almost 5,000.[5]

Membership passed 8,500 by January 1971, and thousands more flocked to the organization after Playboy Magazine donated a full-page VVAW ad in its February edition.[6] The national televised coverage of VVAW's week-long April 1971 protest in Washington, D.C., and smaller protests in subsequent months brought attention.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation informant within the organization noted in March 1971 that membership had grown from 1,500 to over 12,000 in the past four months.[7] An article in Ramparts, that year said VVAW had at that time approximately 11,000 members and employed 26 regional coordinators.[2]

Higher estimates exist, including a claim of 20,000 members for 1971.[8] The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.[3] Counting non-veteran supporters, VVAW had "roughly 50,000" members.[9]

By 1972, negotiations at the Paris peace talks were in full swing, signaling the beginning of the end of the war, meaning the end of VVAW's primary mission. Membership in the organization declined, and the leadership began to consider broader purposes to support veterans. Membership requirements were relaxed, and political differences arose as new members fought with old about direction. By 1973 VVAW had several thousand members.[10] With internal struggles still threatening the group, 2,000 members demonstrated in Washington DC in July 1974, demanding universal amnesty for draft resisters and deserters, and universal discharge with benefits for all Vietnam veterans.[11]

Historian Andrew E. Hunt concluded, "Detractors have always cited numbers when criticizing VVAW. At the pinnacle of VVAW's success in 1972, membership rolls listed almost 25,000 card carriers, or fewer than 1 percent of all eligible Vietnam era veterans. ... By emphasizing the low percentage of Vietnam veterans who paid dues to VVAW, opponents have sought to dismiss the significance and impact of the organization."[12]
...}

Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Auld Phart]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Not a myth, asshole.

You think our soldiers are meek?

I think you are an asshole, that you ignore the evidence presented because it disproves your biased OPINION.

I don't think you have a clue as to what it took those men assaulted to keep walking, so they could continue their journeys, instead of being arrested, and either paying a fine, or being incarcerated.


I also think you should get on your hands and knees to thank those that did what you didn't have the nerve, or guts, to do.

are you starting to get an opinion of how low I think you are for attacking veterans?

According to the Urban Legend ......
Our trained killer soldiers came home and dirty, stinking, draft-dodging hippies spat on them and not a one struck back

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think soldier on his way home would want to take the chance of a conviction, or even a fine?

Delay his trip by even an hour while waiting for the cops?

are you seriously that STUPID?

If some hippie spat on him?
You bet your ass

Ask any Marine today how he would react to someone spitting on him

You take stupid to a new level.

I will accept that as a victory

You is STOOPID is a concession of defeat

Bud...

you can take it anyway you want.

You lost the first time you made the claim.

Links have been posted PROVING you are wrong, and your reaction is .

Don't bother responding.


there is only so much stupidity I can handle in a day.

and you passed my limit for the month.

No other war had such organized resistance as Vietnam.
That VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), was a huge percentage of the protestors against the war.

{...
The fluctuating membership size has had varied estimates. The organization remained small until late 1969 when it gained several hundred new members.[4] With the Nixon administration's decision to invade Cambodia and the Kent State shootings in 1970, VVAW's visibility increased, and they attracted new members, increasing from 1,500 to almost 5,000.[5]

Membership passed 8,500 by January 1971, and thousands more flocked to the organization after Playboy Magazine donated a full-page VVAW ad in its February edition.[6] The national televised coverage of VVAW's week-long April 1971 protest in Washington, D.C., and smaller protests in subsequent months brought attention.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation informant within the organization noted in March 1971 that membership had grown from 1,500 to over 12,000 in the past four months.[7] An article in Ramparts, that year said VVAW had at that time approximately 11,000 members and employed 26 regional coordinators.[2]

Higher estimates exist, including a claim of 20,000 members for 1971.[8] The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.[3] Counting non-veteran supporters, VVAW had "roughly 50,000" members.[9]

By 1972, negotiations at the Paris peace talks were in full swing, signaling the beginning of the end of the war, meaning the end of VVAW's primary mission. Membership in the organization declined, and the leadership began to consider broader purposes to support veterans. Membership requirements were relaxed, and political differences arose as new members fought with old about direction. By 1973 VVAW had several thousand members.[10] With internal struggles still threatening the group, 2,000 members demonstrated in Washington DC in July 1974, demanding universal amnesty for draft resisters and deserters, and universal discharge with benefits for all Vietnam veterans.[11]

Historian Andrew E. Hunt concluded, "Detractors have always cited numbers when criticizing VVAW. At the pinnacle of VVAW's success in 1972, membership rolls listed almost 25,000 card carriers, or fewer than 1 percent of all eligible Vietnam era veterans. ... By emphasizing the low percentage of Vietnam veterans who paid dues to VVAW, opponents have sought to dismiss the significance and impact of the organization."[12]
...}

Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What does that have to do with my post?

 

[Rigby5]

LOL so what were the NV troops pretending to be insurgents status?

Not sure what you mean?
The fighting against the Japanese and the French had been mostly in the north, so the armed veterans were mostly in the north.
That does not mean the south also was glad to see the Japanese and French gone, and that they still were not greatful to Ho Chi MInh.
The VC were from the south, but we killed most of them in the Tet Offensive.
So then yes, NV troops did then start fighting in the south.
But that is not an insurgency because the US and Diem (and his following dictators), had no legitimacy at all.

 

[Rigby5]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Not a myth, asshole.

You think our soldiers are meek?

I think you are an asshole, that you ignore the evidence presented because it disproves your biased OPINION.

I don't think you have a clue as to what it took those men assaulted to keep walking, so they could continue their journeys, instead of being arrested, and either paying a fine, or being incarcerated.


I also think you should get on your hands and knees to thank those that did what you didn't have the nerve, or guts, to do.

are you starting to get an opinion of how low I think you are for attacking veterans?

According to the Urban Legend ......
Our trained killer soldiers came home and dirty, stinking, draft-dodging hippies spat on them and not a one struck back

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think soldier on his way home would want to take the chance of a conviction, or even a fine?

Delay his trip by even an hour while waiting for the cops?

are you seriously that STUPID?

If some hippie spat on him?
You bet your ass

Ask any Marine today how he would react to someone spitting on him

You take stupid to a new level.

I will accept that as a victory

You is STOOPID is a concession of defeat

Bud...

you can take it anyway you want.

You lost the first time you made the claim.

Links have been posted PROVING you are wrong, and your reaction is .

Don't bother responding.


there is only so much stupidity I can handle in a day.

and you passed my limit for the month.

No other war had such organized resistance as Vietnam.
That VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), was a huge percentage of the protestors against the war.

{...
The fluctuating membership size has had varied estimates. The organization remained small until late 1969 when it gained several hundred new members.[4] With the Nixon administration's decision to invade Cambodia and the Kent State shootings in 1970, VVAW's visibility increased, and they attracted new members, increasing from 1,500 to almost 5,000.[5]

Membership passed 8,500 by January 1971, and thousands more flocked to the organization after Playboy Magazine donated a full-page VVAW ad in its February edition.[6] The national televised coverage of VVAW's week-long April 1971 protest in Washington, D.C., and smaller protests in subsequent months brought attention.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation informant within the organization noted in March 1971 that membership had grown from 1,500 to over 12,000 in the past four months.[7] An article in Ramparts, that year said VVAW had at that time approximately 11,000 members and employed 26 regional coordinators.[2]

Higher estimates exist, including a claim of 20,000 members for 1971.[8] The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.[3] Counting non-veteran supporters, VVAW had "roughly 50,000" members.[9]

By 1972, negotiations at the Paris peace talks were in full swing, signaling the beginning of the end of the war, meaning the end of VVAW's primary mission. Membership in the organization declined, and the leadership began to consider broader purposes to support veterans. Membership requirements were relaxed, and political differences arose as new members fought with old about direction. By 1973 VVAW had several thousand members.[10] With internal struggles still threatening the group, 2,000 members demonstrated in Washington DC in July 1974, demanding universal amnesty for draft resisters and deserters, and universal discharge with benefits for all Vietnam veterans.[11]

Historian Andrew E. Hunt concluded, "Detractors have always cited numbers when criticizing VVAW. At the pinnacle of VVAW's success in 1972, membership rolls listed almost 25,000 card carriers, or fewer than 1 percent of all eligible Vietnam era veterans. ... By emphasizing the low percentage of Vietnam veterans who paid dues to VVAW, opponents have sought to dismiss the significance and impact of the organization."[12]
...}

Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What does that have to do with my post?

Depends on what your post meant?
I just wanted to point out that the "hippie spitting on returning veterans" is mostly false.
The returning veterans were some of the most anti war, and the hippies knew that in general.

 

[Auld Phart]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Not a myth, asshole.

You think our soldiers are meek?

I think you are an asshole, that you ignore the evidence presented because it disproves your biased OPINION.

I don't think you have a clue as to what it took those men assaulted to keep walking, so they could continue their journeys, instead of being arrested, and either paying a fine, or being incarcerated.


I also think you should get on your hands and knees to thank those that did what you didn't have the nerve, or guts, to do.

are you starting to get an opinion of how low I think you are for attacking veterans?

According to the Urban Legend ......
Our trained killer soldiers came home and dirty, stinking, draft-dodging hippies spat on them and not a one struck back

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think soldier on his way home would want to take the chance of a conviction, or even a fine?

Delay his trip by even an hour while waiting for the cops?

are you seriously that STUPID?

If some hippie spat on him?
You bet your ass

Ask any Marine today how he would react to someone spitting on him

You take stupid to a new level.

I will accept that as a victory

You is STOOPID is a concession of defeat

Bud...

you can take it anyway you want.

You lost the first time you made the claim.

Links have been posted PROVING you are wrong, and your reaction is .

Don't bother responding.


there is only so much stupidity I can handle in a day.

and you passed my limit for the month.

No other war had such organized resistance as Vietnam.
That VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), was a huge percentage of the protestors against the war.

{...
The fluctuating membership size has had varied estimates. The organization remained small until late 1969 when it gained several hundred new members.[4] With the Nixon administration's decision to invade Cambodia and the Kent State shootings in 1970, VVAW's visibility increased, and they attracted new members, increasing from 1,500 to almost 5,000.[5]

Membership passed 8,500 by January 1971, and thousands more flocked to the organization after Playboy Magazine donated a full-page VVAW ad in its February edition.[6] The national televised coverage of VVAW's week-long April 1971 protest in Washington, D.C., and smaller protests in subsequent months brought attention.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation informant within the organization noted in March 1971 that membership had grown from 1,500 to over 12,000 in the past four months.[7] An article in Ramparts, that year said VVAW had at that time approximately 11,000 members and employed 26 regional coordinators.[2]

Higher estimates exist, including a claim of 20,000 members for 1971.[8] The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.[3] Counting non-veteran supporters, VVAW had "roughly 50,000" members.[9]

By 1972, negotiations at the Paris peace talks were in full swing, signaling the beginning of the end of the war, meaning the end of VVAW's primary mission. Membership in the organization declined, and the leadership began to consider broader purposes to support veterans. Membership requirements were relaxed, and political differences arose as new members fought with old about direction. By 1973 VVAW had several thousand members.[10] With internal struggles still threatening the group, 2,000 members demonstrated in Washington DC in July 1974, demanding universal amnesty for draft resisters and deserters, and universal discharge with benefits for all Vietnam veterans.[11]

Historian Andrew E. Hunt concluded, "Detractors have always cited numbers when criticizing VVAW. At the pinnacle of VVAW's success in 1972, membership rolls listed almost 25,000 card carriers, or fewer than 1 percent of all eligible Vietnam era veterans. ... By emphasizing the low percentage of Vietnam veterans who paid dues to VVAW, opponents have sought to dismiss the significance and impact of the organization."[12]
...}

Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What does that have to do with my post?

Depends on what your post meant?
I just wanted to point out that the "hippie spitting on returning veterans" is mostly false.
The returning veterans were some of the most anti war, and the hippies knew that in general.

How many troops did we have in Nam?

The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.

30,000 sounds like a drop in the bucket.

 

[Rigby5]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

.

The problem was that there was no declared war, so who knew who the enemy really was.

When congress authorizes military action to defeat an enemy, it's a declaration of war, regardless of the wording.

.

That is not true.
For example, Trump recently assassinated General Qasem Soleimani, and there was no implied declaration of war.
When Congress pass the authorization for the use of force in Iraq, it was limited to defending the US from WMD.
So was not a real declaration of war.
The fact the military then does what it wants, is part of the problem.

 

[Dayton3]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.

Wrong. The war in Vietnam was authorized by the U.S. Congress which made it completely legal.

And every war is winnable.

 

[Rigby5]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Not a myth, asshole.

You think our soldiers are meek?

I think you are an asshole, that you ignore the evidence presented because it disproves your biased OPINION.

I don't think you have a clue as to what it took those men assaulted to keep walking, so they could continue their journeys, instead of being arrested, and either paying a fine, or being incarcerated.


I also think you should get on your hands and knees to thank those that did what you didn't have the nerve, or guts, to do.

are you starting to get an opinion of how low I think you are for attacking veterans?

According to the Urban Legend ......
Our trained killer soldiers came home and dirty, stinking, draft-dodging hippies spat on them and not a one struck back

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think soldier on his way home would want to take the chance of a conviction, or even a fine?

Delay his trip by even an hour while waiting for the cops?

are you seriously that STUPID?

If some hippie spat on him?
You bet your ass

Ask any Marine today how he would react to someone spitting on him

You take stupid to a new level.

I will accept that as a victory

You is STOOPID is a concession of defeat

Bud...

you can take it anyway you want.

You lost the first time you made the claim.

Links have been posted PROVING you are wrong, and your reaction is .

Don't bother responding.


there is only so much stupidity I can handle in a day.

and you passed my limit for the month.

No other war had such organized resistance as Vietnam.
That VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), was a huge percentage of the protestors against the war.

{...
The fluctuating membership size has had varied estimates. The organization remained small until late 1969 when it gained several hundred new members.[4] With the Nixon administration's decision to invade Cambodia and the Kent State shootings in 1970, VVAW's visibility increased, and they attracted new members, increasing from 1,500 to almost 5,000.[5]

Membership passed 8,500 by January 1971, and thousands more flocked to the organization after Playboy Magazine donated a full-page VVAW ad in its February edition.[6] The national televised coverage of VVAW's week-long April 1971 protest in Washington, D.C., and smaller protests in subsequent months brought attention.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation informant within the organization noted in March 1971 that membership had grown from 1,500 to over 12,000 in the past four months.[7] An article in Ramparts, that year said VVAW had at that time approximately 11,000 members and employed 26 regional coordinators.[2]

Higher estimates exist, including a claim of 20,000 members for 1971.[8] The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.[3] Counting non-veteran supporters, VVAW had "roughly 50,000" members.[9]

By 1972, negotiations at the Paris peace talks were in full swing, signaling the beginning of the end of the war, meaning the end of VVAW's primary mission. Membership in the organization declined, and the leadership began to consider broader purposes to support veterans. Membership requirements were relaxed, and political differences arose as new members fought with old about direction. By 1973 VVAW had several thousand members.[10] With internal struggles still threatening the group, 2,000 members demonstrated in Washington DC in July 1974, demanding universal amnesty for draft resisters and deserters, and universal discharge with benefits for all Vietnam veterans.[11]

Historian Andrew E. Hunt concluded, "Detractors have always cited numbers when criticizing VVAW. At the pinnacle of VVAW's success in 1972, membership rolls listed almost 25,000 card carriers, or fewer than 1 percent of all eligible Vietnam era veterans. ... By emphasizing the low percentage of Vietnam veterans who paid dues to VVAW, opponents have sought to dismiss the significance and impact of the organization."[12]
...}

Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What does that have to do with my post?

Depends on what your post meant?
I just wanted to point out that the "hippie spitting on returning veterans" is mostly false.
The returning veterans were some of the most anti war, and the hippies knew that in general.

How many troops did we have in Nam?

The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.

30,000 sounds like a drop in the bucket.

Highest under Johnson was about half a million troops.
But considering most were young and stupid, and they were not paid to join the VVAW, I think 30,000 shows extreme resistance.

 

[Auld Phart]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Not a myth, asshole.

You think our soldiers are meek?

I think you are an asshole, that you ignore the evidence presented because it disproves your biased OPINION.

I don't think you have a clue as to what it took those men assaulted to keep walking, so they could continue their journeys, instead of being arrested, and either paying a fine, or being incarcerated.


I also think you should get on your hands and knees to thank those that did what you didn't have the nerve, or guts, to do.

are you starting to get an opinion of how low I think you are for attacking veterans?

According to the Urban Legend ......
Our trained killer soldiers came home and dirty, stinking, draft-dodging hippies spat on them and not a one struck back

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think soldier on his way home would want to take the chance of a conviction, or even a fine?

Delay his trip by even an hour while waiting for the cops?

are you seriously that STUPID?

If some hippie spat on him?
You bet your ass

Ask any Marine today how he would react to someone spitting on him

You take stupid to a new level.

I will accept that as a victory

You is STOOPID is a concession of defeat

Bud...

you can take it anyway you want.

You lost the first time you made the claim.

Links have been posted PROVING you are wrong, and your reaction is .

Don't bother responding.


there is only so much stupidity I can handle in a day.

and you passed my limit for the month.

No other war had such organized resistance as Vietnam.
That VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), was a huge percentage of the protestors against the war.

{...
The fluctuating membership size has had varied estimates. The organization remained small until late 1969 when it gained several hundred new members.[4] With the Nixon administration's decision to invade Cambodia and the Kent State shootings in 1970, VVAW's visibility increased, and they attracted new members, increasing from 1,500 to almost 5,000.[5]

Membership passed 8,500 by January 1971, and thousands more flocked to the organization after Playboy Magazine donated a full-page VVAW ad in its February edition.[6] The national televised coverage of VVAW's week-long April 1971 protest in Washington, D.C., and smaller protests in subsequent months brought attention.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation informant within the organization noted in March 1971 that membership had grown from 1,500 to over 12,000 in the past four months.[7] An article in Ramparts, that year said VVAW had at that time approximately 11,000 members and employed 26 regional coordinators.[2]

Higher estimates exist, including a claim of 20,000 members for 1971.[8] The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.[3] Counting non-veteran supporters, VVAW had "roughly 50,000" members.[9]

By 1972, negotiations at the Paris peace talks were in full swing, signaling the beginning of the end of the war, meaning the end of VVAW's primary mission. Membership in the organization declined, and the leadership began to consider broader purposes to support veterans. Membership requirements were relaxed, and political differences arose as new members fought with old about direction. By 1973 VVAW had several thousand members.[10] With internal struggles still threatening the group, 2,000 members demonstrated in Washington DC in July 1974, demanding universal amnesty for draft resisters and deserters, and universal discharge with benefits for all Vietnam veterans.[11]

Historian Andrew E. Hunt concluded, "Detractors have always cited numbers when criticizing VVAW. At the pinnacle of VVAW's success in 1972, membership rolls listed almost 25,000 card carriers, or fewer than 1 percent of all eligible Vietnam era veterans. ... By emphasizing the low percentage of Vietnam veterans who paid dues to VVAW, opponents have sought to dismiss the significance and impact of the organization."[12]
...}

Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What does that have to do with my post?

Depends on what your post meant?
I just wanted to point out that the "hippie spitting on returning veterans" is mostly false.
The returning veterans were some of the most anti war, and the hippies knew that in general.

How many troops did we have in Nam?

The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.

30,000 sounds like a drop in the bucket.

Highest under Johnson was about half a million troops.
But considering most were young and stupid, and they were not paid to join the VVAW, I think 30,000 shows extreme resistance.

I think 30,000 shows extreme resistance.

and estimated number, and likely included civilians.

 

[Rigby5]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.

Wrong. The war in Vietnam was authorized by the U.S. Congress which made it completely legal.

And every war is winnable.

Wrong.
Congress does not have unlimited authority, and can only declare war when required defensively.
Otherwise it fits the definition of illegal murder.
We also had congress ratify the UN charter, which makes any war illegal except when in direct defense, or with UN approval, like the Korean war.

 

[Rigby5]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Not a myth, asshole.

You think our soldiers are meek?

I think you are an asshole, that you ignore the evidence presented because it disproves your biased OPINION.

I don't think you have a clue as to what it took those men assaulted to keep walking, so they could continue their journeys, instead of being arrested, and either paying a fine, or being incarcerated.


I also think you should get on your hands and knees to thank those that did what you didn't have the nerve, or guts, to do.

are you starting to get an opinion of how low I think you are for attacking veterans?

According to the Urban Legend ......
Our trained killer soldiers came home and dirty, stinking, draft-dodging hippies spat on them and not a one struck back

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think a jury would convict a soldier who beat the snot out of a hippie for spitting on him?

You think soldier on his way home would want to take the chance of a conviction, or even a fine?

Delay his trip by even an hour while waiting for the cops?

are you seriously that STUPID?

If some hippie spat on him?
You bet your ass

Ask any Marine today how he would react to someone spitting on him

You take stupid to a new level.

I will accept that as a victory

You is STOOPID is a concession of defeat

Bud...

you can take it anyway you want.

You lost the first time you made the claim.

Links have been posted PROVING you are wrong, and your reaction is .

Don't bother responding.


there is only so much stupidity I can handle in a day.

and you passed my limit for the month.

No other war had such organized resistance as Vietnam.
That VVAW, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), was a huge percentage of the protestors against the war.

{...
The fluctuating membership size has had varied estimates. The organization remained small until late 1969 when it gained several hundred new members.[4] With the Nixon administration's decision to invade Cambodia and the Kent State shootings in 1970, VVAW's visibility increased, and they attracted new members, increasing from 1,500 to almost 5,000.[5]

Membership passed 8,500 by January 1971, and thousands more flocked to the organization after Playboy Magazine donated a full-page VVAW ad in its February edition.[6] The national televised coverage of VVAW's week-long April 1971 protest in Washington, D.C., and smaller protests in subsequent months brought attention.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation informant within the organization noted in March 1971 that membership had grown from 1,500 to over 12,000 in the past four months.[7] An article in Ramparts, that year said VVAW had at that time approximately 11,000 members and employed 26 regional coordinators.[2]

Higher estimates exist, including a claim of 20,000 members for 1971.[8] The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.[3] Counting non-veteran supporters, VVAW had "roughly 50,000" members.[9]

By 1972, negotiations at the Paris peace talks were in full swing, signaling the beginning of the end of the war, meaning the end of VVAW's primary mission. Membership in the organization declined, and the leadership began to consider broader purposes to support veterans. Membership requirements were relaxed, and political differences arose as new members fought with old about direction. By 1973 VVAW had several thousand members.[10] With internal struggles still threatening the group, 2,000 members demonstrated in Washington DC in July 1974, demanding universal amnesty for draft resisters and deserters, and universal discharge with benefits for all Vietnam veterans.[11]

Historian Andrew E. Hunt concluded, "Detractors have always cited numbers when criticizing VVAW. At the pinnacle of VVAW's success in 1972, membership rolls listed almost 25,000 card carriers, or fewer than 1 percent of all eligible Vietnam era veterans. ... By emphasizing the low percentage of Vietnam veterans who paid dues to VVAW, opponents have sought to dismiss the significance and impact of the organization."[12]
...}

Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What does that have to do with my post?

Depends on what your post meant?
I just wanted to point out that the "hippie spitting on returning veterans" is mostly false.
The returning veterans were some of the most anti war, and the hippies knew that in general.

How many troops did we have in Nam?

The organization has claimed a peak membership of over 30,000.

30,000 sounds like a drop in the bucket.

Highest under Johnson was about half a million troops.
But considering most were young and stupid, and they were not paid to join the VVAW, I think 30,000 shows extreme resistance.

I think 30,000 shows extreme resistance.

and estimated number, and likely included civilians.

Of course it was civilians. Veterans always are civilians. But VVAW has no one who was not a veteran.

 

[Rigby5]

We were not at war with the Soviet Union when the treason trial was held for that couple that spied for them in the 50's.

And likely the execution of the Rosenburgs was murder.
Those responsible should be in jail.

 

[yidnar]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.
Anyone doing anything to end it sooner should be praised.

listen to the communist [modern democrat] traitor defend a fellow traitor .

 

[Dayton3]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.

Wrong. The war in Vietnam was authorized by the U.S. Congress which made it completely legal.

And every war is winnable.

Wrong.
Congress does not have unlimited authority, and can only declare war when required defensively.
Otherwise it fits the definition of illegal murder.
We also had congress ratify the UN charter, which makes any war illegal except when in direct defense, or with UN approval, like the Korean war.

Wrong. No international agreement like the UN Charter is binding upon the United States unless it has enforcement provisions specifically passed by Congress that lays out consequences of a violation and enforcement provisions.

Look it up in "The Oxford Companion to American Law" if you don't believe me.

 

[Rigby5]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.
Anyone doing anything to end it sooner should be praised.

listen to the communist [modern democrat] traitor defend a fellow traitor .

The Vietnamese have the legal right to choose their own government.
It was illegal for the US to try to interfere.

Nothing to do with political beliefs.
Pure case law.
The US was in violation.

 

[yidnar]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.
Anyone doing anything to end it sooner should be praised.

listen to the communist [modern democrat] traitor defend a fellow traitor .

The Vietnamese have the legal right to choose their own government.
It was illegal for the US to try to interfere.

Nothing to do with political beliefs.
Pure case law.
The US was in violation.

bull ! you are a leftist ! are trying to say that you are a conservative patriot ?

 

[Rigby5]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.

Wrong. The war in Vietnam was authorized by the U.S. Congress which made it completely legal.

And every war is winnable.

Wrong.
Congress does not have unlimited authority, and can only declare war when required defensively.
Otherwise it fits the definition of illegal murder.
We also had congress ratify the UN charter, which makes any war illegal except when in direct defense, or with UN approval, like the Korean war.

Wrong. No international agreement like the UN Charter is binding upon the United States unless it has enforcement provisions specifically passed by Congress that lays out consequences of a violation and enforcement provisions.

Look it up in "The Oxford Companion to American Law" if you don't believe me.

When the UN Charter was ratified by Congress, it became US law, just as the Geneva Conventions did in the past.
The consequences and enforcement can be passed to the external body, just as we do with international maritime law and the Geneva Conventions.

 

[Rigby5]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.
Anyone doing anything to end it sooner should be praised.

listen to the communist [modern democrat] traitor defend a fellow traitor .

The Vietnamese have the legal right to choose their own government.
It was illegal for the US to try to interfere.

Nothing to do with political beliefs.
Pure case law.
The US was in violation.

bull ! you are a leftist ! are trying to say that you are a conservative patriot ?

Sure I am a far left, progressive, liberal, but that does not conflict at all with also being a conservative patriot.
Leftist means being for the common poor people instead of the wealthy elite.
Progressive means fixing the things missing from the constitution, like ending slavery, and recognizing all individual rights.
Liberal means believing inherent individual liberties are the only source of legal authority.
There is no contradiction between any of that and being a conservative patriot because everyone had to know there were things missing from the Bill of Rights.

 

[yidnar]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.
Anyone doing anything to end it sooner should be praised.

listen to the communist [modern democrat] traitor defend a fellow traitor .

The Vietnamese have the legal right to choose their own government.
It was illegal for the US to try to interfere.

Nothing to do with political beliefs.
Pure case law.
The US was in violation.

bull ! you are a leftist ! are trying to say that you are a conservative patriot ?

Sure I am a far left, progressive, liberal, but that does not conflict at all with also being a conservative patriot.
Leftist means being for the common poor people instead of the wealthy elite.
Progressive means fixing the things missing from the constitution, like ending slavery, and recognizing all individual rights.
Liberal means believing inherent individual liberties are the only source of legal authority.
There is no contradiction between any of that and being a conservative patriot because everyone had to know there were things missing from the Bill of Rights.

sooo you are a communist [socialist ] and just how did i surmise that i wonder ??

 

[Dayton3]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

YES YOU DO!!!!
The only way to save the lives of those US troops is to expose the Pentagon as the real enemy.
Anyone again Fonda was guilty of causing the murder not only of innocent Vietnamese, but of US GIs as well.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam, for defeating the French and liberating the country.
Violating the peace accord between France and Vietnam by getting Diem to depose Bau Dai was one of the worst crimes in history.
Jane not only did the right thing, but she gained nothing by it and it was one of the most selfless acts of the century.

Why, Hello, Jane! You awful unpatriotic old whore.

Nope.
Jane was right and she will always be a hero because she not only told the truth, but knew it would cost her.
She never gained a thing from it, but save tens of thousands of lives.
The Vietnamese were never going to give up, so what do you think would have happened to all those US POWs if the war went on 5, 10, or 20 more years?

Face facts, the war in Vietnam was never legal or winnable.
Anyone doing anything to end it sooner should be praised.

listen to the communist [modern democrat] traitor defend a fellow traitor .

The Vietnamese have the legal right to choose their own government.
It was illegal for the US to try to interfere.

Nothing to do with political beliefs.
Pure case law.
The US was in violation.

bull ! you are a leftist ! are trying to say that you are a conservative patriot ?

Sure I am a far left, progressive, liberal, but that does not conflict at all with also being a conservative patriot.
Leftist means being for the common poor people instead of the wealthy elite.
Progressive means fixing the things missing from the constitution, like ending slavery, and recognizing all individual rights.
Liberal means believing inherent individual liberties are the only source of legal authority.
There is no contradiction between any of that and being a conservative patriot because everyone had to know there were things missing from the Bill of Rights.

If that is the case then we have an amendment process for the U.S. Constitution that has been used more than two dozen times. It isn't our place to simply decide what the U.S. Constitution is "supposed" to say.