Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[rightwinger]

We were told millions of civilians would be tortured and killed if the Communists won...didn’t happen
What part of "Yes it did." Do you not understand?

Fair enough

Show me the reports of millions of civilians being killed by the N Vietnamese after 1975

 

[rightwinger]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Bullshit. We had orders not to react to the spitting, or the thrown dog shit, or the profanity and vile verbal abuse. We were directed not to wear our uniforms off duty. When the odds are 100 to I against you it acts as an aid in restraining yourself. And that was added to the threat of punishment for disobeying orders. Wild animals can be brave and vicious when massed in large packs. And so it was with the anti-American hippies.

Interesting how there were no contemporary news stories of returning vets being spat upon. It would have received high visibility and Americans would have been outraged.

Ten years later when Rambo came out and there was a reference to being spat upon, it became part of the collective memory of vets. I know a guy....

Damn lie. There was lots of news coverage that showed in American living rooms every evening. Newspapers and magazines. A ton of first hand accounts including on here and from me. I have posted video on this site of a veteran of the fighting in the Mid East being spit on by your commie buddies. Just because you absolutely refuse to look at or read anything that doesn't match the propaganda supporting your master's agenda doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You've been contradicted many times on this site and you just refuse to acknowledge you have even heard such a thing. It is obvious that it is your agenda to re-write history; not remember or discuss it.

More phantom reports of spitting

Those who actually looked found no contemporary reports of ....Our boys are being spat on when they get home. It would have been national news...it wasn’t
What was found that when you examine Pre-Rambo reports and Post-Rambo reports of coming home, it is the Post-Rambo reports that contain spitting.

There were contemporary reports of Vietnam protestors being roughed up and spat upon. To which most people replied.....Good

 

[White 6]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your own troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

my dad was in Nam ...and he talked about how Fonda hurt the troops ...he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

Did he talk about them holding up Democrat signs, or did he just talk to enough of them individually to know they were democrats (the main party that carried on the war) until Republican Richard Nixon got us out of it?

they were far left hippies idiot ! they grew up to become todays democrats ! dont you dare try to lie and cover for the left punk !

Don't be a dumb ass. It ended 40 years ago or more. Those "hippies" are late 60s and older, same as me. All their rowdy friends have rowdied on down. If they were draft age or collage age then, they are mostly in their 70s now or older. They are not causing you or me any problems at this stage of the game. It was a different time back then. I was 1-A with a lottery number of 42. I knew where I was going until week before high school graduation, when Nixon quit drafting. It certainly didn't enter my mind to volunteer for the trip.
It's the ones in their 20s, 30, 40s and maybe 50s you have a grievance with, if you have one. Look at the riots last year. Was it old geezers out in force in the streets, busting glass, kicking ass and taking over parts of left coast cities and pillaging stores? I don't think so. If you are my age, you should have gotten a life, a long time ago. If you are still a youngin', you really ought to think about getting one.

 

[Desperado]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

.Not great examples because be have been in Iraq, and Afghanistan for almost20 year now

Actually they are perfect examples of political micromanagement not allowing the military to do what was needed to be done.

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Actually we gave the military a blank check ad called it "Shock and Awe" and how did that work out for you, Not very good it appears since we are still there.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Insurection part 1

 

[Dayton3]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

.Not great examples because be have been in Iraq, and Afghanistan for almost20 year now

Actually they are perfect examples of political micromanagement not allowing the military to do what was needed to be done.

.

Actually we gave the military a blank check ad called it "Shock and Awe" and how did that work out for you, Not very good it appears since we are still there.

Still being in a country where we fought a war does not mean we lost. In fact it can mean we won. As we're still in Germany, Italy, and Japan

 

[9thIDdoc]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Bullshit. We had orders not to react to the spitting, or the thrown dog shit, or the profanity and vile verbal abuse. We were directed not to wear our uniforms off duty. When the odds are 100 to I against you it acts as an aid in restraining yourself. And that was added to the threat of punishment for disobeying orders. Wild animals can be brave and vicious when massed in large packs. And so it was with the anti-American hippies.

Interesting how there were no contemporary news stories of returning vets being spat upon. It would have received high visibility and Americans would have been outraged.

Ten years later when Rambo came out and there was a reference to being spat upon, it became part of the collective memory of vets. I know a guy....

Damn lie. There was lots of news coverage that showed in American living rooms every evening. Newspapers and magazines. A ton of first hand accounts including on here and from me. I have posted video on this site of a veteran of the fighting in the Mid East being spit on by your commie buddies. Just because you absolutely refuse to look at or read anything that doesn't match the propaganda supporting your master's agenda doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You've been contradicted many times on this site and you just refuse to acknowledge you have even heard such a thing. It is obvious that it is your agenda to re-write history; not remember or discuss it.

More phantom reports of spitting

Those who actually looked found no contemporary reports of ....Our boys are being spat on when they get home. It would have been national news...it wasn’t
What was found that when you examine Pre-Rambo reports and Post-Rambo reports of coming home, it is the Post-Rambo reports that contain spitting.

There were contemporary reports of Vietnam protestors being roughed up and spat upon. To which most people replied.....Good

I have refuted your bullshit several times in the past and once again given you a contemporary report. As usual you hear nothing but stale communist propaganda.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

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The problem was that there was no declared war, so who knew who the enemy really was.

 

[Dayton3]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

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The problem was that there was no declared war, so who knew who the enemy really was.

Nations don't "declare war" anymore. IIRC only two have been "declared" around the globe since World War Two.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

.

The problem was that there was no declared war, so who knew who the enemy really was.

Nations don't "declare war" anymore. IIRC only two have been "declared" around the globe since World War Two.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but no declared war equals no treason.

 

[OKTexas]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

.

The Treason was from those war hawks who mislead the nation on the threat of Vietnam and lied about our prospects in the war.
Led to almost 60,000deaths

Jane Fonda never killed anyone

At least you're consistent, always pushing the commie propaganda. You and Hanoi jane, peas in a pod.

.

 

[OKTexas]

he also talked about democrats [the party you voted for ] spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they returned home .

One of those lasting Vietnam myths that assumes our soldiers were meek enough to allow hippies to spit on them

Bullshit. We had orders not to react to the spitting, or the thrown dog shit, or the profanity and vile verbal abuse. We were directed not to wear our uniforms off duty. When the odds are 100 to I against you it acts as an aid in restraining yourself. And that was added to the threat of punishment for disobeying orders. Wild animals can be brave and vicious when massed in large packs. And so it was with the anti-American hippies.

Interesting how there were no contemporary news stories of returning vets being spat upon. It would have received high visibility and Americans would have been outraged.

Ten years later when Rambo came out and there was a reference to being spat upon, it became part of the collective memory of vets. I know a guy....

Not really, I never had that problem. But I've heard some say they did. I think the problem was worse 65-69.

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[Kat]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

.

The Treason was from those war hawks who mislead the nation on the threat of Vietnam and lied about our prospects in the war.
Led to almost 60,000deaths

Jane Fonda never killed anyone

you don't have to kill someone to be guilty of treason.

And can you point out precisely what lies were told about the "threat of Vietnam" and "our prospects on the war"?

OK...let’s go there

The threat of Communism was overstated to the effect that millions of Civilians were killed just so they wouldn’t turn communism
We were told millions of civilians would be tortured and killed if the Communists won...didn’t happen
What did happen was Vietnam did better economically after the north won compared to the economy under the French and US
We were lied to and told that a hundred thousand more troops and the war would be over by Christmas in 1966, 67, 68,69.....
Gulf of Tonkin was a lie

Need a link rightwinger

 

[DudleySmith]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

Hanoi Jane Fonda is one of the most hated women in America by every serviceman except for a few traitors such as you.

Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of America and South Vietnam, then a free country with free elections, not that you ever gave a shit.

Fonda said, "If you knew communism like I do, you would get down on your knees and pray that America will become communist."

This filthy whore went on to marry billionaire Leftist Ted Turner. And you love her.

This filthy whore also was looking up the gun sights of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun and declared, "Oh if I had one of those airplanes in my sights right now....."

She wanted to kill an American pilot, and you declare her to be your hero. You're a disgusting coward and traitor.

Hey, asshole, the traitors of the day were the politicians enslaving young men to go die for no good reason in some stupid military escapade.

JFK tried to get out of it and they killed him. LBJ left it for Nixon, Nixon tried to stop the supply lines just got us into it deeper.

Nixon started the Paris Peace Talks and then tried to bomb our way to better terms

He failed

President Johnson announced his decision to halt the bombing of North Vietnam. - LBJ Presidential Library

President Johnson announced his decision to halt the bombing of North Vietnam.

www.lbjlibrary.org

You don't even know the basics. The faux 'Peace Left' sabotaged any peace agreements, and they also started supporting Arab terrorists before that, all at the beck and call of communist propagandists operating in the U.S. media and on college campuses. You fake 'peace activists' were busy trying to get as many people killed as possible. You took your marching orders from European commies. Here is one essay on the rise of verminhood.

Being Leftist and Anti-Semitic in Germany - Susanne Urban

Being Leftist and Anti-Semitic in Germany - Susanne Urban

www.jcpa.org

Student Radicalization​

During the Six Day War, the New Left definitively transformed its hitherto moderate pro-Arab positions into full support for Arab states and the Palestinians, and its fragile pro-Israeli attitudes dissolved into anti-Semitic slogans thinly disguised as "anti-imperialist" criticism of a "fascist state."


After 1967, however, not only the radicals but large parts of the German Left turned their backs on Israel. This went hand in hand with protests against the Vietnam War, against the conservative mainstream in Adenauer's Germany and afterward the "Great Coalition" that was headed from 1966 by Chancellor Kurt Georg Kiesinger, a former member of the Nazi Party.6 The New Left also idealized Communist China and Ho Chi Minh, despite their involvement in mass murder against their own people.7


Well-known intellectuals who were more moderate leftists tried to dissuade the New Left from its extreme positions. Ernst Bloch, Jean Amery, Herbert Marcuse, Iring Fetscher, and Jean-Paul Sartre argued with the radicals and discouraged blind solidarity with the PLO, as opposed to legitimate criticism of Israeli policies. They warned that notions of Israel's annihilation were intolerable and linked to National Socialist ideology. However, they were not heeded by the radicals.8

You're just dumbass tools, and either don't care or are too stupid to know it.

You Goofy

Don't cry when you shoot your own self in the foot, dumbass; any simple search could prove your blatant ignorance is glaring; quit relying on ideological rubbish from left wing spam for your 'facts' and things get a lot easier. The same goes for right wing ideologues as well.

 

[OKTexas]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

.Not great examples because be have been in Iraq, and Afghanistan for almost20 year now

Actually they are perfect examples of political micromanagement not allowing the military to do what was needed to be done.

.

Actually we gave the military a blank check ad called it "Shock and Awe" and how did that work out for you, Not very good it appears since we are still there.

You've obviously have never been on a two way rifle range. So you can shove your worthless opinions.

.

 

[OKTexas]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

.

The problem was that there was no declared war, so who knew who the enemy really was.

When congress authorizes military action to defeat an enemy, it's a declaration of war, regardless of the wording.

.

 

[PredFan]

Whether Jane Fonda was right about the war is irrelevant and stupid. There were many who were right about it and didn't cause prisoners to be tortured, or give solace to the enemy.

Jane Fonda will burn in hell as she deserves.

More myth
Fonda did not cause prisoners to be tortured

Revisionist history from lefties? No surprise there. She absolutely did. Former POWs said so and I believe them more than you.

One of those fabricated stories that Conservatives emailed to each other for decades
Did you see what Jane Fonda did!

Did Jane Fonda Betray US POWs by Handing Over Messages to North Vietnamese Captors?

The long-standing claim that Jane Fonda turned smuggled messages from U.S. POWs over to their North Vietnamese captors is false.

www.snopes.com

Lol, Snopes. I believe the ex POWs before I’ll believe you or those liberal assholes.

 

[rightwinger]

Whether Jane Fonda was right about the war is irrelevant and stupid. There were many who were right about it and didn't cause prisoners to be tortured, or give solace to the enemy.

Jane Fonda will burn in hell as she deserves.

More myth
Fonda did not cause prisoners to be tortured

Revisionist history from lefties? No surprise there. She absolutely did. Former POWs said so and I believe them more than you.

One of those fabricated stories that Conservatives emailed to each other for decades
Did you see what Jane Fonda did!

Did Jane Fonda Betray US POWs by Handing Over Messages to North Vietnamese Captors?

The long-standing claim that Jane Fonda turned smuggled messages from U.S. POWs over to their North Vietnamese captors is false.

www.snopes.com

Lol, Snopes. I believe the ex POWs before I’ll believe you are those liberal assholes.

Snopes provides their sources
Haven‘t seen anything but rumors from you

 

[Desperado]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

.Not great examples because be have been in Iraq, and Afghanistan for almost20 year now

Actually they are perfect examples of political micromanagement not allowing the military to do what was needed to be done.

.

Actually we gave the military a blank check ad called it "Shock and Awe" and how did that work out for you, Not very good it appears since we are still there.

You've obviously have never been on a two way rifle range. So you can shove your worthless opinions.

.

If you were dumb enough to end up on a two way rifle range. you are not in any position to call anyone's else's opinion "worthless

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When your generals and intelligence agencies are caught blatantly lying to you for years, it is they who need to be shot, not you.

Conservatives want to shoot Jane Fonda

Actually she should have been charged with treason, for providing aid and comfort to our enemies. And shot only after conviction.

.

The problem was that there was no declared war, so who knew who the enemy really was.

When congress authorizes military action to defeat an enemy, it's a declaration of war, regardless of the wording.

.

So, how many trials for treason have taken place under that authorization?