Violent criminals are just a myth, until they aren't and you need a gun to stop them.

[BULLDOG]

Lots of people will sell a gun to who ever has the cash. Doesn't matter if the purchaser is a crook or not as long as there is no obligation to even care about that, much less the legal obligation to do a background check. Many fewer will do that if they are legally obligated to find out if the purchaser is even allowed to have a gun. No. It won't make all guns unavailable to all crooks, but it will make it harder for them to get a gun. Are you such a twat as to not see that?

No... it won't. What it does do is create a backdoor gun registry...since any private gun will now have to go through a gun store, and that sale, and the gun and the name of the owner and buyer, will have to be recorded..... that is the reason you want universal background checks...so you know where the guns are when you finally get the power to ban and confiscate them.

Bullshit. Are background checks for new guns recorded and stored in a gun registry? Nope. By law, the information can't be kept.

If you have to do background checks for private sales you have to keep a record of who the seller is and who the buyer is to confirm that a background check was done for the sale, you twit. Otherwise, any two people can just say they did a background check....you twit.

How is that different from a gun shop sale?

Because it catches all the guns that aren't sold in gun stores.....it creates new registries and expands the old one....and the only reason you want that is so that, down the road, you can collect those guns that no one knew about before.

Do gun shop background checks go on a registry?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Then you support criminals. Thought so. There is a bill being hammered out right now to look into people like you after the last cop wqas killed by a mentally imballanced taht sounded just like you and had 16 guns. In most states, if you do not have a CCW type license, you are a criminal if you carry concealed. No wonder you support the things you do, most criminals don't want firearms laws since it gives the cops a reason to arrest them.

Firearm ownership is personal... none of the federal governments business

Using your own logic, robbing banks is personal and none of the federal governments business. You advocate criminal activity.

No, dear, owning a firearm is not the same as using a firearm in the commission of a crime. I get that you think simply having a gun is in itself a dangerous act of criminal intent, but it's actually not.

We are a nation of laws. If the Law says we do have to comply then we have to comply. We can elect to change the law but until we do, we comply. We have the right to assemble and voice our dissatisfaction but we don't just ignore the law. What some of these people are saying is that we should ignore the laws that are place that we disagree with. We don't have that option. The only way we can get it to change is to change the law not do a criminal act. I do like what Judge Young said. If you don't like the laws where you are, move to a place where the laws are more to your liking. Not word for word but close enough. Or you can work to get them changed. But until they are changed, you must comply to stay as a law abiding citizen.

Who, exactly, has said, "Ignore the laws?" Could you quote that for me, please? Because all I'm seeing are people saying, "Change the law."

I'm not going to confuse you at this point by getting into the concept of civil disobedience. That's for the AP class.

There seems to be 2 here that constantly preach the old "Cold Dead Hands". That may work where there are no population and there isn't any real necessity for any real gun regulations. But to force those same things and bully others into thinking that this is the way it should be done in the inner city is just pushing for criminal activity when dealing with guns.

 

[2aguy]

No... it won't. What it does do is create a backdoor gun registry...since any private gun will now have to go through a gun store, and that sale, and the gun and the name of the owner and buyer, will have to be recorded..... that is the reason you want universal background checks...so you know where the guns are when you finally get the power to ban and confiscate them.

Bullshit. Are background checks for new guns recorded and stored in a gun registry? Nope. By law, the information can't be kept.

If you have to do background checks for private sales you have to keep a record of who the seller is and who the buyer is to confirm that a background check was done for the sale, you twit. Otherwise, any two people can just say they did a background check....you twit.

How is that different from a gun shop sale?

Because it catches all the guns that aren't sold in gun stores.....it creates new registries and expands the old one....and the only reason you want that is so that, down the road, you can collect those guns that no one knew about before.

Do gun shop background checks go on a registry?

Not by name of the owner, just that the gun was sold.

 

[BULLDOG]

Bullshit. Are background checks for new guns recorded and stored in a gun registry? Nope. By law, the information can't be kept.

If you have to do background checks for private sales you have to keep a record of who the seller is and who the buyer is to confirm that a background check was done for the sale, you twit. Otherwise, any two people can just say they did a background check....you twit.

How is that different from a gun shop sale?

Because it catches all the guns that aren't sold in gun stores.....it creates new registries and expands the old one....and the only reason you want that is so that, down the road, you can collect those guns that no one knew about before.

Do gun shop background checks go on a registry?

Not by name of the owner, just that the gun was sold.

So no registry?

 

[2aguy]

Firearm ownership is personal... none of the federal governments business

Using your own logic, robbing banks is personal and none of the federal governments business. You advocate criminal activity.

No, dear, owning a firearm is not the same as using a firearm in the commission of a crime. I get that you think simply having a gun is in itself a dangerous act of criminal intent, but it's actually not.

We are a nation of laws. If the Law says we do have to comply then we have to comply. We can elect to change the law but until we do, we comply. We have the right to assemble and voice our dissatisfaction but we don't just ignore the law. What some of these people are saying is that we should ignore the laws that are place that we disagree with. We don't have that option. The only way we can get it to change is to change the law not do a criminal act. I do like what Judge Young said. If you don't like the laws where you are, move to a place where the laws are more to your liking. Not word for word but close enough. Or you can work to get them changed. But until they are changed, you must comply to stay as a law abiding citizen.

Who, exactly, has said, "Ignore the laws?" Could you quote that for me, please? Because all I'm seeing are people saying, "Change the law."

I'm not going to confuse you at this point by getting into the concept of civil disobedience. That's for the AP class.

There seems to be 2 here that constantly preach the old "Cold Dead Hands". That may work where there are no population and there isn't any real necessity for any real gun regulations. But to force those same things and bully others into thinking that this is the way it should be done in the inner city is just pushing for criminal activity when dealing with guns.

they haven't been forced on democrat controlled cities...where they have extreme gun control and the highest gun murder rates..... while the places with the least stupid gun laws have lower gun murder rates.

 

[2aguy]

If you have to do background checks for private sales you have to keep a record of who the seller is and who the buyer is to confirm that a background check was done for the sale, you twit. Otherwise, any two people can just say they did a background check....you twit.

How is that different from a gun shop sale?

Because it catches all the guns that aren't sold in gun stores.....it creates new registries and expands the old one....and the only reason you want that is so that, down the road, you can collect those guns that no one knew about before.

Do gun shop background checks go on a registry?

Not by name of the owner, just that the gun was sold.

So no registry?

Just got off the phone to a gun store in Illinois.... nope, they do not register the guns, they simply record a sale. So a universal background check law would end up registering any gun I sell......no thanks.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Everyone runs and says.......here comes right winger with his big stick!

Your last thought will be, "I brought a stick to a gunfight."

You would regret fighting my stick with a nail in it

You could get a nasty infection

I could pull the trigger 7 times before you lifted up your stick to infect me.

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Using your own logic, robbing banks is personal and none of the federal governments business. You advocate criminal activity.

No, dear, owning a firearm is not the same as using a firearm in the commission of a crime. I get that you think simply having a gun is in itself a dangerous act of criminal intent, but it's actually not.

We are a nation of laws. If the Law says we do have to comply then we have to comply. We can elect to change the law but until we do, we comply. We have the right to assemble and voice our dissatisfaction but we don't just ignore the law. What some of these people are saying is that we should ignore the laws that are place that we disagree with. We don't have that option. The only way we can get it to change is to change the law not do a criminal act. I do like what Judge Young said. If you don't like the laws where you are, move to a place where the laws are more to your liking. Not word for word but close enough. Or you can work to get them changed. But until they are changed, you must comply to stay as a law abiding citizen.

Who, exactly, has said, "Ignore the laws?" Could you quote that for me, please? Because all I'm seeing are people saying, "Change the law."

I'm not going to confuse you at this point by getting into the concept of civil disobedience. That's for the AP class.

There seems to be 2 here that constantly preach the old "Cold Dead Hands". That may work where there are no population and there isn't any real necessity for any real gun regulations. But to force those same things and bully others into thinking that this is the way it should be done in the inner city is just pushing for criminal activity when dealing with guns.

they haven't been forced on democrat controlled cities...where they have extreme gun control and the highest gun murder rates..... while the places with the least stupid gun laws have lower gun murder rates.

The higher the mass of people the more crime you will have. Massing causes stupidity. And it has to be handled differently.

 

[2aguy]

Your last thought will be, "I brought a stick to a gunfight."

You would regret fighting my stick with a nail in it

You could get a nasty infection

I could pull the trigger 7 times before you lifted up your stick to infect me.

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

Sorry..... that is not true. If the guy with the gun is pointing the gun at the knife guy the knife guy is going to get shot, multiple times..... the 20 foot rule is a nice idea, but the variables in the demonstration always favor the knife guy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

How is that different from a gun shop sale?

Because it catches all the guns that aren't sold in gun stores.....it creates new registries and expands the old one....and the only reason you want that is so that, down the road, you can collect those guns that no one knew about before.

Do gun shop background checks go on a registry?

Not by name of the owner, just that the gun was sold.

So no registry?

Just got off the phone to a gun store in Illinois.... nope, they do not register the guns, they simply record a sale. So a universal background check law would end up registering any gun I sell......no thanks.

You are one of the prime examples why we need universal gun background checks. If I want a gun for an illegal operation you would be the first I would come to. You dipstick,it's background checks, not registrations. Sort of like you screaming, "They are trying to take all my Guns" over and over. Well maybe we should considering you aren't exactly playing with a full deck. But I get to keep mine.

 

[2aguy]

No, dear, owning a firearm is not the same as using a firearm in the commission of a crime. I get that you think simply having a gun is in itself a dangerous act of criminal intent, but it's actually not.

We are a nation of laws. If the Law says we do have to comply then we have to comply. We can elect to change the law but until we do, we comply. We have the right to assemble and voice our dissatisfaction but we don't just ignore the law. What some of these people are saying is that we should ignore the laws that are place that we disagree with. We don't have that option. The only way we can get it to change is to change the law not do a criminal act. I do like what Judge Young said. If you don't like the laws where you are, move to a place where the laws are more to your liking. Not word for word but close enough. Or you can work to get them changed. But until they are changed, you must comply to stay as a law abiding citizen.

Who, exactly, has said, "Ignore the laws?" Could you quote that for me, please? Because all I'm seeing are people saying, "Change the law."

I'm not going to confuse you at this point by getting into the concept of civil disobedience. That's for the AP class.

There seems to be 2 here that constantly preach the old "Cold Dead Hands". That may work where there are no population and there isn't any real necessity for any real gun regulations. But to force those same things and bully others into thinking that this is the way it should be done in the inner city is just pushing for criminal activity when dealing with guns.

they haven't been forced on democrat controlled cities...where they have extreme gun control and the highest gun murder rates..... while the places with the least stupid gun laws have lower gun murder rates.

The higher the mass of people the more crime you will have. Massing causes stupidity. And it has to be handled differently.

No..... not true. These cities have extreme gun control laws....all the laws you want, and they have gun murder rates higher than the rest of the country..... you asshats claim that more guns automatically means more gun violence....that is not true or based in actual real world experience..... even in the democrat controlled cities that have extreme gun control, they have different gun murder rates..... so no... it is the people raised by single teen mothers over generations that create the shooters....and even in those cities, the areas that experience gun murder are tiny......so you are just wrong.

 

[2aguy]

Because it catches all the guns that aren't sold in gun stores.....it creates new registries and expands the old one....and the only reason you want that is so that, down the road, you can collect those guns that no one knew about before.

Do gun shop background checks go on a registry?

Not by name of the owner, just that the gun was sold.

So no registry?

Just got off the phone to a gun store in Illinois.... nope, they do not register the guns, they simply record a sale. So a universal background check law would end up registering any gun I sell......no thanks.

You are one of the prime examples why we need universal gun background checks. If I want a gun for an illegal operation you would be the first I would come to. You dipstick,it's background checks, not registrations. Sort of like you screaming, "They are trying to take all my Guns" over and over. Well maybe we should considering you aren't exactly playing with a full deck. But I get to keep mine.

Moron, I'm not selling a gun without knowing who I am selling it to.... you moron..... and what part of the fact that criminals steal their guns....which means, you doofus, they don't go through any background check, or that they use straw buyers, which means they can pass any background check, do you not freaking understand...

You moron.

 

[2aguy]

Your last thought will be, "I brought a stick to a gunfight."

You would regret fighting my stick with a nail in it

You could get a nasty infection

I could pull the trigger 7 times before you lifted up your stick to infect me.

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

Here.... the truth about the 21 foot rule...... and how it doesn't apply to someone with a pistol already out and aimed...

Revisiting the "21-Foot Rule"

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You would regret fighting my stick with a nail in it

You could get a nasty infection

I could pull the trigger 7 times before you lifted up your stick to infect me.

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

Sorry..... that is not true. If the guy with the gun is pointing the gun at the knife guy the knife guy is going to get shot, multiple times..... the 20 foot rule is a nice idea, but the variables in the demonstration always favor the knife guy.

You are assuming that you are walking down the street with your gun already drawn. Man, oh Man. Just how sick can you get. Your gun is in it's holster. My knife is in it's sheath. You probably have a safety strap on your gun (unless you are a complete moron, knowing you, you might be). My knife does not have. I go for my knife, draw it and the fight is on. During the time it takes you to pop the strap, draw the gun, take off the safety, I can cover a lot of ground. 16 feet or less and the gun loses big time. And the lethal distance is 20 feet for the knife if you hold it correctly. Hinaman is an idiot.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Do gun shop background checks go on a registry?

Not by name of the owner, just that the gun was sold.

So no registry?

Just got off the phone to a gun store in Illinois.... nope, they do not register the guns, they simply record a sale. So a universal background check law would end up registering any gun I sell......no thanks.

You are one of the prime examples why we need universal gun background checks. If I want a gun for an illegal operation you would be the first I would come to. You dipstick,it's background checks, not registrations. Sort of like you screaming, "They are trying to take all my Guns" over and over. Well maybe we should considering you aren't exactly playing with a full deck. But I get to keep mine.

Moron, I'm not selling a gun without knowing who I am selling it to.... you moron..... and what part of the fact that criminals steal their guns....which means, you doofus, they don't go through any background check, or that they use straw buyers, which means they can pass any background check, do you not freaking understand...

You moron.

You already stated you sell without background checks. Sounds to me like you aren't a gun dealer at all. You say you are from Vermont?

 

[2aguy]

I could pull the trigger 7 times before you lifted up your stick to infect me.

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

Sorry..... that is not true. If the guy with the gun is pointing the gun at the knife guy the knife guy is going to get shot, multiple times..... the 20 foot rule is a nice idea, but the variables in the demonstration always favor the knife guy.

You are assuming that you are walking down the street with your gun already drawn. Man, oh Man. Just how sick can you get. Your gun is in it's holster. My knife is in it's sheath. You probably have a safety strap on your gun (unless you are a complete moron, knowing you, you might be). My knife does not have. I go for my knife, draw it and the fight is on. During the time it takes you to pop the strap, draw the gun, take off the safety, I can cover a lot of ground. 16 feet or less and the gun loses big time. And the lethal distance is 20 feet for the knife if you hold it correctly. Hinaman is an idiot.

With every post you show how little you know about actual gun ownership and carrying a gun..... most modern holsters do not have a "strap" and a knife is only lethal if it hits you in the right spots......while a gun discharging at close range, contact range is just as if not more devestating due to the discharge into your body.......

Please...do some research.

 

[2aguy]

Not by name of the owner, just that the gun was sold.

So no registry?

Just got off the phone to a gun store in Illinois.... nope, they do not register the guns, they simply record a sale. So a universal background check law would end up registering any gun I sell......no thanks.

You are one of the prime examples why we need universal gun background checks. If I want a gun for an illegal operation you would be the first I would come to. You dipstick,it's background checks, not registrations. Sort of like you screaming, "They are trying to take all my Guns" over and over. Well maybe we should considering you aren't exactly playing with a full deck. But I get to keep mine.

Moron, I'm not selling a gun without knowing who I am selling it to.... you moron..... and what part of the fact that criminals steal their guns....which means, you doofus, they don't go through any background check, or that they use straw buyers, which means they can pass any background check, do you not freaking understand...

You moron.

You already stated you sell without background checks. Sounds to me like you aren't a gun dealer at all. You say you are from Vermont?

I didn't say anything about any of that.....so you can stop phishing....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You would regret fighting my stick with a nail in it

You could get a nasty infection

I could pull the trigger 7 times before you lifted up your stick to infect me.

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

Here.... the truth about the 21 foot rule...... and how it doesn't apply to someone with a pistol already out and aimed...

Revisiting the "21-Foot Rule"

You always walk down the street with your gun drawn just hoping and praying someone will attack you with a knife? You are one sick puppy indeed. Try that around here and get a real big surprise when a cop draws down on you and blows you away.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

Sorry..... that is not true. If the guy with the gun is pointing the gun at the knife guy the knife guy is going to get shot, multiple times..... the 20 foot rule is a nice idea, but the variables in the demonstration always favor the knife guy.

You are assuming that you are walking down the street with your gun already drawn. Man, oh Man. Just how sick can you get. Your gun is in it's holster. My knife is in it's sheath. You probably have a safety strap on your gun (unless you are a complete moron, knowing you, you might be). My knife does not have. I go for my knife, draw it and the fight is on. During the time it takes you to pop the strap, draw the gun, take off the safety, I can cover a lot of ground. 16 feet or less and the gun loses big time. And the lethal distance is 20 feet for the knife if you hold it correctly. Hinaman is an idiot.

With every post you show how little you know about actual gun ownership and carrying a gun..... most modern holsters do not have a "strap" and a knife is only lethal if it hits you in the right spots......while a gun discharging at close range, contact range is just as if not more devestating due to the discharge into your body.......

Please...do some research.

You are one sick puppy not having a safety strap on your gun. That's part of the NRA Gun Safety routine. A bouncing gun goes off much of the time. Now I know you are full of shit and so does every other handgun owner out there. You don't even know how to safely wear a sidearm on the street.

 

[2aguy]

I could pull the trigger 7 times before you lifted up your stick to infect me.

I had a peculiar situtation when I was performing in a Club in South Dakota. I had an off duty cop steal my Stetson off the stage. He took it out to his car and came back in. Someone saw him take it. I confronted him. I knew he was armed. At first he denied it. I didn't call him a liar. I only stated that he was going to return my hat. In case you don't know, that type of Stetson, in the early 80s cost about 300 bucks. He finally said he would get it out of his car and return with it. I told him he was to send one of his buddies to retrieve it. He thought about that one for a few seconds and then sent his buddy for the hat. The Cop made a very bad tactical mistake. He was within 5 feet of me without his gun drawn. When he backed away, I closed the distance every time. He knew I was Military but didn't know my background so he didn't wish to take the chance. One of the first things I learned was not to rely strictly on a weapon. And I taught that in a class. He didn't like the odds. When he was handed the hat back, he threw it at me. I picked it up and walked off, turning my back on him. Was I afraid? No, I was in a zone. Was he afraid, probably since he didn't control the situation. I worked on controlling the situation and it was much more effective than a firearm. He came to the conclusion I was either the baddest MF he had ever met or the craziest. Either way, he didn't want to gamble on which one. And I will never tell which one. His buddies were also cops. I can bet he never lived that one down. But the Bikers gave me a new found respect after that. I got the adrenaline shakes later in private.

You only get the first shot if you get the chance. I can draw a knife and deliver it faster than you can draw, take your safety off and fire. If I am within 5 feet of you I can close your larynx faster than you can draw your weapon much less take off the safety and fire it. If a person is withing striking distance for a club, your gun is pretty well worthless since his weapon is faster. You, the person with the gun, must make sure the conditions are correct before you go for your gun. If it's not already out, almost any other weapon is just as deadly. Hell, a toaster is sometimes more deadly if used properly.

So don't get too cocky.

I wasn't home, but I've heard the story plenty of times.

Our guns are always loaded with the safety on and a round chambered. We could try an experiment where you rush at me from across the room and see if you could hit me with a stick before I shot you dead.

If it is less than a 16 foot room, the gun is going to lose unless the knife wielder is a klutz. .



There is another method that I learned but can no longer master that's good out to about 20 feet. Ever have a Kbar hit you even if it's not blade first? Out to about 20 feet, it's going to hit blade first at about 60 mph. Even if it hits handle first, you still won't get that shot off too fast and the person will be able to close. This isn't done without a lot of practice and proper instruction. But you never know if about the person you are wanting to shoot has for a background. You only have to guess wrong once.

Sticks are for kids, silly rabbit.

Here.... the truth about the 21 foot rule...... and how it doesn't apply to someone with a pistol already out and aimed...

Revisiting the "21-Foot Rule"

You always walk down the street with your gun drawn just hoping and praying someone will attack you with a knife? You are one sick puppy indeed. Try that around here and get a real big surprise when a cop draws down on you and blows you away.

How old are you? Do your parents know you are on the computer?