Virginia Becomes First Southern State To Abolish Capitol Punishment.

[alang1216]

Again, how is someone being locked up for the rest of their life when innocent any better than executing them after 20 years when innocent?

DNA. What new procedures will be developed to prove or disprove guilt? I don't know, do you?

10-20 years of appeals aren't enough to figure out the DNA evidence?

Nope. The technology has changed dramatically over the past decades

 

[Polishprince]

Virginia becomes the first southern state to end the death penalty

Ban comes after a yearslong battle by Democrats in the state, which previously had US’s second-highest number of executions

www.theguardian.com

Governor Northam said that the death penalty is disproportionately used against Black people, who accounted for 296 of the 377 inmates executed by the state in the 20th century. This despite the fact that Blacks only account for 20% of the population and many mistakes had been made over the years.

Congratulations Virginia for becoming the 23rd State to abolish Capital Punishment which leaves 27 more to go before the US enters the civilised world regarding Criminal Justice.

Actually, the electric chair was banned in West Virginia more than 50 years ago. Virginia is hardly the "first southern state" to ban the punishment.


BTW, most civilized countries do have capital punishment. India, China, Japan, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc., all have no problem exercising justice when need be.

 

[Blues Man]

Virginia becomes the first southern state to end the death penalty

Ban comes after a yearslong battle by Democrats in the state, which previously had US’s second-highest number of executions

www.theguardian.com

Governor Northam said that the death penalty is disproportionately used against Black people, who accounted for 296 of the 377 inmates executed by the state in the 20th century. This despite the fact that Blacks only account for 20% of the population and many mistakes had been made over the years.

Congratulations Virginia for becoming the 23rd State to abolish Capital Punishment which leaves 27 more to go before the US enters the civilised world regarding Criminal Justice.

Another person rooting for criminals.

The DP is reserved for the most terrible crimes, some people don't deserve 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their lives.

No state or country has the right to kill its own citizens,
especially when the emphasis is put on killing Blacks at a rate of around 3 Blacks to every 1 White. Many can't afford legal representation and are give rookie lawyers against experienced State Prosecutors. Many have been found to be innocent after execution - a bit late then.

They have the right to punish them. For some people death is the punishment.

And as I said in another post, locking up an innocent person for 50-60 years is better how?

Death is a release from punishment.

And is it your position that killing an innocent person is better than finding out he was actually innocent of the crimes he was convicted of?

Why not just execute everyone who is rightly or wrongly convicted of a crime? I mean if it's better to kill an innocent man who is in jail after 20 years then surely killing a convicted person right after he is found guilty is even better

My position is there is no difference between executing an innocent person after 20 years or having said innocent person die in jail after 50.

My view is the hypocrisy in asking for an infallible justice system just for the DP, but being OK with a fallible one in the case of an innocent person rotting in prison for the rest of their life.

Of course there is.

If there is a chance an innocent person to be exonerated it is worth it.

 

[Jarlaxle]

That is one of the common attack arguments on the death penalty.

So...you set up a straw man and went at it with a baseball bat, then. Figured.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Actually, the electric chair was banned in West Virginia more than 50 years ago. Virginia is hardly the "first southern state" to ban the punishment.


BTW, most civilized countries do have capital punishment. India, China, Japan, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc., all have no problem exercising justice when need be.

So...you didn't read the article, then.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Virginia becomes the first southern state to end the death penalty

Ban comes after a yearslong battle by Democrats in the state, which previously had US’s second-highest number of executions

www.theguardian.com

Governor Northam said that the death penalty is disproportionately used against Black people, who accounted for 296 of the 377 inmates executed by the state in the 20th century. This despite the fact that Blacks only account for 20% of the population and many mistakes had been made over the years.

Congratulations Virginia for becoming the 23rd State to abolish Capital Punishment which leaves 27 more to go before the US enters the civilised world regarding Criminal Justice.

Actually, the electric chair was banned in West Virginia more than 50 years ago. Virginia is hardly the "first southern state" to ban the punishment.


BTW, most civilized countries do have capital punishment. India, China, Japan, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc., all have no problem exercising justice when need be.

Not for nothing..but did you just call Nigeria 'civilized'?? Indonesia? Justice?

Uhh..OK.
As for the OP..their state..their rules.

Here in Idaho we don't have the racial facet to the law..although there is an economic one!

Maybe an alternative could be personality reconstruction...you know...drugs to lobotomize..and then some retraining and out---

Or the Chinese solution...vivisect without anesthesia..and sell the parts to law-abiding folk.

Civilized...LOL!

 

[martybegan]

Again, how is someone being locked up for the rest of their life when innocent any better than executing them after 20 years when innocent?

DNA. What new procedures will be developed to prove or disprove guilt? I don't know, do you?

10-20 years of appeals aren't enough to figure out the DNA evidence?

Nope. The technology has changed dramatically over the past decades

The technology is matured now.

 

[martybegan]

That is one of the common attack arguments on the death penalty.

So...you set up a straw man and went at it with a baseball bat, then. Figured.

Not a straw man, it's a critique of one of the reasonings used by death penalty opponents.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There are some people who deserve to be put to death immediately. If we took those out to the parking lot right after sentencing and gave them a bullet to the brain there would be more resources for someone still proclaiming their innocence.

 

[alang1216]

Again, how is someone being locked up for the rest of their life when innocent any better than executing them after 20 years when innocent?

DNA. What new procedures will be developed to prove or disprove guilt? I don't know, do you?

10-20 years of appeals aren't enough to figure out the DNA evidence?

Nope. The technology has changed dramatically over the past decades

The technology is matured now.

So it will never be improved? What about the next technology?

 

[martybegan]

Again, how is someone being locked up for the rest of their life when innocent any better than executing them after 20 years when innocent?

DNA. What new procedures will be developed to prove or disprove guilt? I don't know, do you?

10-20 years of appeals aren't enough to figure out the DNA evidence?

Nope. The technology has changed dramatically over the past decades

The technology is matured now.

So it will never be improved? What about the next technology?

The improvements are in the time for results, and the cost of the tests. We are beyond the discovery phase of DNA testing and are now in the Engineering Phase.

 

[alang1216]

Again, how is someone being locked up for the rest of their life when innocent any better than executing them after 20 years when innocent?

DNA. What new procedures will be developed to prove or disprove guilt? I don't know, do you?

10-20 years of appeals aren't enough to figure out the DNA evidence?

Nope. The technology has changed dramatically over the past decades

The technology is matured now.

So it will never be improved? What about the next technology?

The improvements are in the time for results, and the cost of the tests. We are beyond the discovery phase of DNA testing and are now in the Engineering Phase.

So you're willing to bet someone's life that a DNA sample that is too small to test today will never be able to be tested?

 

[occupied]

The state should not have the power to take away anyone's life. A civilized justice system should not be in the business of vengeance. Those two reasons alone should be sufficient to do away with capital punishment.

Again, if a person in innocent how is being locked away for 60 years and dying of natural causes any worse than being executed after 20?

ALL justice has a component of vengeance, the purpose of which is to satisfy the need for vengeance by the victim, or the surviving relations of the victim.

That component of vengeance you seem to accept as necessary is the very thing that makes our justice system a fucked up poor people trap and a graduate school for criminals.

 

[Jarlaxle]

So you're willing to bet someone's life that a DNA sample that is too small to test today will never be able to be tested?

He's willing to stake your life on it.

 

[martybegan]

Again, how is someone being locked up for the rest of their life when innocent any better than executing them after 20 years when innocent?

DNA. What new procedures will be developed to prove or disprove guilt? I don't know, do you?

10-20 years of appeals aren't enough to figure out the DNA evidence?

Nope. The technology has changed dramatically over the past decades

The technology is matured now.

So it will never be improved? What about the next technology?

The improvements are in the time for results, and the cost of the tests. We are beyond the discovery phase of DNA testing and are now in the Engineering Phase.

So you're willing to bet someone's life that a DNA sample that is too small to test today will never be able to be tested?

Just as I am willing to bet someone rotting in jail 60 years because the technology you are talking about never develops.

What has been the increase in replication ability the past say 5-10 years? Is the value approaching an asymptote?

 

[martybegan]

The state should not have the power to take away anyone's life. A civilized justice system should not be in the business of vengeance. Those two reasons alone should be sufficient to do away with capital punishment.

Again, if a person in innocent how is being locked away for 60 years and dying of natural causes any worse than being executed after 20?

ALL justice has a component of vengeance, the purpose of which is to satisfy the need for vengeance by the victim, or the surviving relations of the victim.

That component of vengeance you seem to accept as necessary is the very thing that makes our justice system a fucked up poor people trap and a graduate school for criminals.

It's human nature. What's making our justice system fucked up is progressive assholes getting voted in as DA's who refuse to do their fucking jobs.

 

[occupied]

The state should not have the power to take away anyone's life. A civilized justice system should not be in the business of vengeance. Those two reasons alone should be sufficient to do away with capital punishment.

Again, if a person in innocent how is being locked away for 60 years and dying of natural causes any worse than being executed after 20?

ALL justice has a component of vengeance, the purpose of which is to satisfy the need for vengeance by the victim, or the surviving relations of the victim.

That component of vengeance you seem to accept as necessary is the very thing that makes our justice system a fucked up poor people trap and a graduate school for criminals.

It's human nature. What's making our justice system fucked up is progressive assholes getting voted in as DA's who refuse to do their fucking jobs.

Think of every hardcore police state with draconian penalties you ever heard of, were they crime free?

 

[martybegan]

The state should not have the power to take away anyone's life. A civilized justice system should not be in the business of vengeance. Those two reasons alone should be sufficient to do away with capital punishment.

Again, if a person in innocent how is being locked away for 60 years and dying of natural causes any worse than being executed after 20?

ALL justice has a component of vengeance, the purpose of which is to satisfy the need for vengeance by the victim, or the surviving relations of the victim.

That component of vengeance you seem to accept as necessary is the very thing that makes our justice system a fucked up poor people trap and a graduate school for criminals.

It's human nature. What's making our justice system fucked up is progressive assholes getting voted in as DA's who refuse to do their fucking jobs.

Think of every hardcore police state with draconian penalties you ever heard of, were they crime free?

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Sorry, but letting criminals walk for petty crimes results in more petty crimes. You are dealing with assholes, not responsible people.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

California voted to abolish the death penalty. It didn't work out very well.