Virginia gun control law kept AR-15 out of hands of DC shooter

[NYcarbineer]

Every person on this board who has ever claimed that 'shall not be infringed' means that such a denial of purchase violated the 2nd amendment

did in fact want this person to have gotten that AR15.

It is, btw, a reasonable speculation that the death toll could have easily been double or triple what was had he gone in with that rifle.

Bingo. I don't care if he bought a Howitzer. There are laws against murder and assault. People who don't obey them do so at their own risk.

You, too, are a potential criminal. Wouldn't it be nice if you could be arrested for it? Wouldn't it be nice if you couldn't purchase what you want on the free market because of something you might do?

WTF is wrong with you?

You'd have us all in one prison or another.

The background check finds people who have already been criminals, or who have been already determined to be mentally unfit.

This is not about what people might do.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I don't know about him...... But you should

I'm a veteran with an expert qualification with an M-16, and no felony convictions. Why would I be disqualified?

btw, I'll take your answer as a 'no' and add you to the list of people who support this guy having bought any guns he wanted.

Remind me what would have prevented the sale.

Try to pay attention. I'm not here to babysit your brain.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Every person on this board who has ever claimed that 'shall not be infringed' means that such a denial of purchase violated the 2nd amendment

did in fact want this person to have gotten that AR15.

It is, btw, a reasonable speculation that the death toll could have easily been double or triple what was had he gone in with that rifle.

Bingo. I don't care if he bought a Howitzer. There are laws against murder and assault. People who don't obey them do so at their own risk.

You, too, are a potential criminal. Wouldn't it be nice if you could be arrested for it? Wouldn't it be nice if you couldn't purchase what you want on the free market because of something you might do?

WTF is wrong with you?

You'd have us all in one prison or another.

The background check finds people who have already been criminals, or who have been already determined to be mentally unfit.

This is not about what people might do.

And since this shooter was not on any of those lists he easily passed the background checks, BOTH of them. The failure occurred in Seattle and again in Rhode Island. The Texas incident probably would not result in any charges without more context.

We don't need more laws, we need the current ones enforced and used.

 

[Trajan]

Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15

"Aaron Alexis, who was unable to purchase the AR-15 he wanted last week because Virginia law “prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers.” Instead, he bought “a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action” — which he used in his deadly rampage Monday.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "

"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.
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But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free access to guns saves lives....

uhm I am failry certain, thats not true. he could have bought it, he just decided not to........

 

[blackhawk]

The sources, who have detailed knowledge of the investigation, cautioned that initial information that an AR-15 was used in the shootings may have been incorrect. It is believed that Alexis had rented an AR-15, but returned it before Monday morning's shootings. Authorities are still investigating precisely how many weapons Alexis had access to and when.

So if this is correct it seems he could have used a AR-15 if he wanted to he simply chose not to.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Another fruitloop that should never had access to any gun kills a bunch of people. But the NRA gaurenteed his access to guns. Had there been an adaquete waiting period, at least a week, and a full background check, his mental and criminal record would have been adaquete reason to deny him any kind of firearm at all.

No, we need Federal gun laws, that way fruitloops in one state cannot sell military grade weapons to people from other states, and circumvent sane gun control.

You mean like the Federal laws that denied him a security clearance?

Oh, wait...

 

[Jarlaxle]

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"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.

Don't underestimate the lethal potential of a pump shotgun loaded with #00 buckshot in the hands of an experienced shooter. In close quarters it is impossible to miss with a shotgun, even without aiming at all. But every shot from a semi-auto rifle is a toss-up unless carefully aimed.

Spot on. A shotgun is pretty much the worst-case...honestly, it might have been better if he HAD used an AR-15, or even an M-16. A 00 load from a 12-bore is NINE pellets, each about the size and power of a .38 round. Shotguns were called "room brooms" for a reason!

But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free access to guns saves lives....

Gun control laws disarm the average citizen, a condition which operates to the advantage of a mass shooter. Maybe it's time to consider the opposite approach to public safety where guns are concerned.

Disarmed citizens are like de-clawed cats.

Spot on.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Now that the facts have been checked and found to be faulty will the OP admit his mistake? Or will he do as liberals typically do and continue with the charade?

Well, I know it is silly, but I tend to give more credibility to the New York Times than I do the "Hot Air" Blog.

As for comparing the damage that the shooter could have done with a ar-15 with a 100 drum cartradge to the damage done with an 8 shot pump shot gun, you can't be serious. The guy had pulled the fire alarm. Every single person in the building was racing for the halls and stairwells. He would not have had to aim at all. Every time he pulled the trigger he would have hit someone.

You don't know a damn thing about shotguns, do you. (Not a question.) Also note: a large drum on an AR-15 will often cause it to tie up long before it's empty!

 

[Pheonixops]

Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15

"Aaron Alexis, who was unable to purchase the AR-15 he wanted last week because Virginia law “prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers.” Instead, he bought “a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action” — which he used in his deadly rampage Monday.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "

"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "


But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free access to guns saves lives....

I heard on the talk radio this morning that it was financial instead of regulatory reasons that kept him from buying the aforementioned weapon.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15

"Aaron Alexis, who was unable to purchase the AR-15 he wanted last week because Virginia law “prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers.” Instead, he bought “a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action” — which he used in his deadly rampage Monday.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "

"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "


But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free access to guns saves lives....

I was wondering if anyone was going to fall for this bullshit story, congratulations on proving yourself to be a complete idiot.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Every person on this board who has ever claimed that 'shall not be infringed' means that such a denial of purchase violated the 2nd amendment

did in fact want this person to have gotten that AR15.

It is, btw, a reasonable speculation that the death toll could have easily been double or triple what was had he gone in with that rifle.

Guess what, he could have bought an AR_15, but didn't. That kinda destroys your argument that gun control laws prevented something here, doesn't it? Even if this story was true, all it would prove is that existing laws work, not that we need more laws.

BTW, it is stupid to think that an AR-15 is more deadly than a shotgun that fires multiple rounds that are larger than what an AR-15 puts out every single shot.

 

[Black_Label]

Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15

"Aaron Alexis, who was unable to purchase the AR-15 he wanted last week because Virginia law “prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers.” Instead, he bought “a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action” — which he used in his deadly rampage Monday.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "

"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "


But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free access to guns saves lives....

uhm I am failry certain, thats not true. he could have bought it, he just decided not to........

I just did a little digging and you are correct. Out of state buyers can not get handguns, but they can get long guns, in which he tried out both a shotgun and an AR-15 on the range, but decided to go with the shotgun.

 

[Black_Label]

Every person on this board who has ever claimed that 'shall not be infringed' means that such a denial of purchase violated the 2nd amendment

did in fact want this person to have gotten that AR15.

It is, btw, a reasonable speculation that the death toll could have easily been double or triple what was had he gone in with that rifle.

BTW, it is stupid to think that an AR-15 is more deadly than a shotgun that fires multiple rounds that are larger than what an AR-15 puts out every single shot.

An AR-15 would be significantly more deadly than a shotgun. A shotgun is pretty much the worst gun to use if some whacko went on a shooting spree. They only hold about 5-7 rounds, are slow and cumbersome to reload, and have a fairly limited range. An AR can have 100 round drum mags that can be changed out in under a second.

You could hose down 100 AR rounds before you could maybe get off 12 with a shotgun.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You don't know a damn thing about shotguns, either. Yet again: shotguns are called "room brooms" for a good reason!

 

[Abatis]

Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15

"Aaron Alexis, who was unable to purchase the AR-15 he wanted last week because Virginia law “prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers.” Instead, he bought “a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action” — which he used in his deadly rampage Monday.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "

"It’s probably worth noting that Alexis had to pump the shotgun each time he fired, and that the Remington has a standard seven-round magazine. An AR-15, on the other hand, fires a round with each pull of the trigger, with a rate of fire much faster than a shotgun’s, and typical magazines hold 20 to 30 rounds, although higher-capacity magazines — 60 to 100 rounds — are also popular. In the Newtown massacre, Adam Lanza managed to fire 155 rounds in under five minutes.
Read more at Tyrannical Virginia Gun Law Kept DC Shooter From Buying AR-15 "


But, of course, NRA teaches us that laws like this don't work, and that free access to guns saves lives....

This article is a lie.

The gun law heralded here does not exist.

Virginia does not bar out of state assault weapon purchases.

That Alexis was eligible by law to RENT the "assault firearm" meant he was eligible to buy it.

Virgina law makes no distinction between state resident or non-resident renting or purchasing the firearm:

§ 18.2-308.2:2.B.1 (in part):

In addition, no dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any assault firearm to any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence. To establish citizenship or lawful admission for a permanent residence for purposes of purchasing an assault firearm, a dealer shall require a prospective purchaser to present a certified birth certificate or a certificate of birth abroad issued by the United States State Department, a certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, an unexpired U.S. passport, a United States citizen identification card, a current voter registration card, a current selective service registration card, or an immigrant visa or other documentation of status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.

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False premise, false finding, false conclusion . . .

NY Slimes, a damn disgrace . . .

 

[TooTall]

Who in this thread believes that this guy should have been barred from legally buying an AR-15 anywhere in the US?

And if so, do you support the laws that would be designed to impose that ban?

NO, I do not.

That's 2 out of 2 that support the mentally deranged having access to any guns they desire.

The shooter had no criminal convictions and was not judged mentally deranged by any Doctor or mental institution. How do you stop him from buying a gun?

 

[Black_Label]

You don't know a damn thing about shotguns, either. Yet again: shotguns are called "room brooms" for a good reason!

You are an effen' idiot that doesn't have a clue.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Every person on this board who has ever claimed that 'shall not be infringed' means that such a denial of purchase violated the 2nd amendment

did in fact want this person to have gotten that AR15.

It is, btw, a reasonable speculation that the death toll could have easily been double or triple what was had he gone in with that rifle.

BTW, it is stupid to think that an AR-15 is more deadly than a shotgun that fires multiple rounds that are larger than what an AR-15 puts out every single shot.

An AR-15 would be significantly more deadly than a shotgun. A shotgun is pretty much the worst gun to use if some whacko went on a shooting spree. They only hold about 5-7 rounds, are slow and cumbersome to reload, and have a fairly limited range. An AR can have 100 round drum mags that can be changed out in under a second.

You could hose down 100 AR rounds before you could maybe get off 12 with a shotgun.

Funny, this guy managed to shoot almost 30 people with a shotgun, killing roughly half of them, and you want me to believe that a .22 is more deadly.

By the way, 12 shotgun rounds with 9 pellets per round is 108 shots with the AR-15.

 

[Black_Label]

NO, I do not.

That's 2 out of 2 that support the mentally deranged having access to any guns they desire.

The shooter had no criminal convictions and was not judged mentally deranged by any Doctor or mental institution. How do you stop him from buying a gun?

This is the problem with the countries gun laws being so lax, a nutjob like Alexis was able to get a gun to go on a shooting spree, legally.

Mental health professionals should have the ability to report to the ATF so the mentally ill can not get guns.

As it is now, you have to be found mentally incompetent by a judge for that to happen, which means you have to commit a crime first before they do that.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Everyone knows that the guy was crazy. Everyone agrees that he should have had a record of being too unstable to buy a gun. The issue is that the Virginia law requiring that since he lived in another state, he would have to purchase the gun in that state in accordance with that state's waiting period and background check, which kept him from getting a more lethal weapon in Virginia.

He never tried to buy an AR. So stop claiming he did.

NOPE


Aaron Alexis tried to buy assault rifle but was unable to - CBS News