Virginia Halts Concealed Carry Reciprocity With 25 States

[2aguy]

Trump wants to ban all Muslims based on the actions of a few. Lots of people cheered this "logic". They also want to ban all refugees "because you can't tell which ones are terrorists". Again, using the same "logic".

Banning out of staters from carrying a gun in Virginia "because you can't tell which ones are the killers" is the exact same "logic".

You can't whine about one position and be okay with the other.

LIBTARD: Guns just killed some more people. We must ban them.

RUBE: Cars kill a lot more people than guns. So I guess we should ban them, too, right? Right? Right?

FOX NEWS: Some more Muslims just killed some more people. Every time any Muslim anywhere kills someone, we will be right here to tell you all about it, with doom music.

RUBE: WE MUST BAN MUSLIMS!!!

Wrong....he wants to ban muslims who cannot be properly vetted.....nice lie though.

Not a lie. Trump wants a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". His exact words.

Followed by the rest of his exact words where he said until the government can get it's act together...but thanks again for lying.

Oh. I see. Then we better ban all guns until the government can get its act together and properly vet gun owners. After all, there have been 12,924 gun homicides in the US so far this year.

Compare that to 19 people killed by Muslim terrorists.

Thanks again for playing.

12,924 vs 19.
Bit lopsided.

Americans killing other Americnas is not scary any longer. It is just what we do.

But terrorists killing Americans. OMG. Just the thought of being made dead by a terrorist is SO much more scary than being made dead by just a regular American.

But really, is there ANY AMOUNT of guns that those who are so afraid of terrorists could arm themselves with to make their fears subside? I thought they had all those guns to NOT be afraid?

Actually, a link to that number would be nice...

My link from 2014 is the FBI, table 8 which puts the number at 8,124.....which is going down, not up as over 13 million Americans carry guns for self defense.

And of the 8,124 gun murders in the United States over 70% were committed by criminals murdering other criminals.

So out of a country of over 320 million people.... 8,124 gun murders by criminals murdering other criminals.

Out of a country with over 357 million guns in private hands .... 8,124 gun murders which means 356,991,876 million guns were not used to commit murder.

Out of a country of over 320 million people...how many died from gun accidents.....in 2013.... 505.

We do not have a gun problem.

Our problem is that our violent, career criminals choose to murder people. Figure out why they do that and you will solve the gun murder problem.

 

[2aguy]

Ever notice how gun rights fans are also states rights fans.............till a state does something they dont like.

VA didnt do awy with CC. They just required that ALL concealed carry permit holders follow the same requirements that all VA resident have to abide by.
And if you dont meet those requirments, no concealed carry for you.
And VA KNOWS other states are not as stringent in their CCW permits.
WTF is wrong with that.

Yes...and the democrats in the South didn't do away with allowing blacks to vote, they simply made people pay a poll tax to vote and required a literacy test to vote.....if people didn't pass those requirements to exercise a constitutional right, they didn't get to exercise that right....no money to pay the poll tax...no vote for you.....unable to read, therefore unable to pass the literacy test, no vote for you.....

The democrats simply made citizens all follow the same requirements to vote.....

You are apparently okay with those practices right...since that is what is now going on in Virginia....

You democrats love the oldies but the goodies........

 

[2aguy]

I live in Nevada, but my CWP is from South Carolina because that is where I lived when I had it issued. Nevada has a reciprocity agreement with South Carolina so my CWP is good here until it expires in 2017. If the State Attorney General suddenly decreed Nevada would no longer honor CWPs from SC suddenly I'd no longer legally be able to carry despite the fact I've only ever fired either of my guns at a gun range and I've never been arrested for anything in my life.

As I said before, I suspect this is nothing more than a lame attempt by a gun grabbing leftist to push an agenda they can't win on when it comes to a vote by the people and you, for what ever reason, seem to be swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.

I'm also curious how the Attorney General of Virginia can suddenly just wave his hand and declare this. In Nevada, these agreements are voted on by the legislature. His action may not even be legal.

Trump wants to ban all Muslims based on the actions of a few. Lots of people cheered this "logic". They also want to ban all refugees "because you can't tell which ones are terrorists". Again, using the same "logic".

Banning out of staters from carrying a gun in Virginia "because you can't tell which ones are the killers" is the exact same "logic".

You can't whine about one position and be okay with the other.

LIBTARD: Guns just killed some more people. We must ban them.

RUBE: Cars kill a lot more people than guns. So I guess we should ban them, too, right? Right? Right?

FOX NEWS: Some more Muslims just killed some more people. Every time any Muslim anywhere kills someone, we will be right here to tell you all about it, with doom music.

RUBE: WE MUST BAN MUSLIMS!!!

Wrong....he wants to ban muslims who cannot be properly vetted.....nice lie though.

Not a lie. Trump wants a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". His exact words.

Followed by the rest of his exact words where he said until the government can get it's act together...but thanks again for lying.

Oh. I see. Then we better ban all guns until the government can get its act together and properly vet gun owners. After all, there have been 12,924 gun homicides in the US so far this year.

Compare that to 19 people killed by Muslim terrorists.

Thanks again for playing.

Sorry.....owning a gun is a Right that "Shall not be infringed" ....being from Syria and trying to move to America is not a right.....try getting that straight.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sad to see Virginia go Communist/Progressive. Nuff said.

Yeah. Those bastards. Not letting illegal immigrants, mental patients, wife beaters, or felons conceal carry. For shame!

What's this country coming to when a drug dealer isn't allowed to conceal carry?

So you switched from law abiding conceal and carry to drug dealers and felons???? I saw what you did there.

Yes. All the good guys must be punished so as to protect us from the bad guys, because the government can't tell the difference. Too many people have died.

The government did do the background check on my conceal and carry.

Mine, too. They did a background check on a lot of people who went on to commit murder, too.

We need a total and complete shutdown of guns entering Virginia until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

There is an extraordinary influx of hatred & danger coming into Virginia. We must be vigilant!

They did a total check on CCW holders who went on to commit murder? Any link to that by any chance? I would love to see the percentage of CCW holders (out of all of us) that actually committed a crime with their firearm.

And while nothing is guaranteed, most states do an extensive background check including fingerprinting such as what we do here in my state. We are already properly and extensively vetted.

There are only two groups of people that could celebrate this law: liberals and criminals. How ironic.

 

[g5000]

Yeah. Those bastards. Not letting illegal immigrants, mental patients, wife beaters, or felons conceal carry. For shame!

What's this country coming to when a drug dealer isn't allowed to conceal carry?

So you switched from law abiding conceal and carry to drug dealers and felons???? I saw what you did there.

Yes. All the good guys must be punished so as to protect us from the bad guys, because the government can't tell the difference. Too many people have died.

The government did do the background check on my conceal and carry.

Mine, too. They did a background check on a lot of people who went on to commit murder, too.

We need a total and complete shutdown of guns entering Virginia until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

There is an extraordinary influx of hatred & danger coming into Virginia. We must be vigilant!

They did a total check on CCW holders who went on to commit murder? Any link to that by any chance?

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Concealed carry killers have killed more Americans than the terrorists. We must ban them all from Virginia!

Vigilance!

 

[g5000]

Trump wants to ban all Muslims based on the actions of a few. Lots of people cheered this "logic". They also want to ban all refugees "because you can't tell which ones are terrorists". Again, using the same "logic".

Banning out of staters from carrying a gun in Virginia "because you can't tell which ones are the killers" is the exact same "logic".

You can't whine about one position and be okay with the other.

LIBTARD: Guns just killed some more people. We must ban them.

RUBE: Cars kill a lot more people than guns. So I guess we should ban them, too, right? Right? Right?

FOX NEWS: Some more Muslims just killed some more people. Every time any Muslim anywhere kills someone, we will be right here to tell you all about it, with doom music.

RUBE: WE MUST BAN MUSLIMS!!!

Wrong....he wants to ban muslims who cannot be properly vetted.....nice lie though.

Not a lie. Trump wants a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". His exact words.

Followed by the rest of his exact words where he said until the government can get it's act together...but thanks again for lying.

Oh. I see. Then we better ban all guns until the government can get its act together and properly vet gun owners. After all, there have been 12,924 gun homicides in the US so far this year.

Compare that to 19 people killed by Muslim terrorists.

Thanks again for playing.

Sorry.....owning a gun is a Right that "Shall not be infringed" ....being from Syria and trying to move to America is not a right.....try getting that straight.

States rights, dude. 10th Amendment.

Virginia does not have to honor the concealed carry permits of killers from other states. The risk is just too great.

Vigilance!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you switched from law abiding conceal and carry to drug dealers and felons???? I saw what you did there.

Yes. All the good guys must be punished so as to protect us from the bad guys, because the government can't tell the difference. Too many people have died.

The government did do the background check on my conceal and carry.

Mine, too. They did a background check on a lot of people who went on to commit murder, too.

We need a total and complete shutdown of guns entering Virginia until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

There is an extraordinary influx of hatred & danger coming into Virginia. We must be vigilant!

They did a total check on CCW holders who went on to commit murder? Any link to that by any chance?

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Concealed carry killers have killed more Americans than the terrorists. We must ban them all from Virginia!

Vigilance!

From the Crime and Prevention Research Center:

MASSIVE ERRORS IN THE VIOLENCE POLICY CENTER’S “CONCEALED CARRY KILLERS”
24 APR , 2014

The Violence Policy Center regularly puts out the claim that concealed handgun permit holders are a danger to themselves and others. Right now they claim that concealed handgun permits have been responsible for 636 deaths from the entire United States over almost seven years from May 2007 to March 2014. John Lott has pointed out errors in the VPC numbers for Florida, so here let’s take the errors in just one state Michigan.
— In the Michigan state reports on concealed handgun permit holders that are cited by the VPC, 185 people died of suicides during the four reports from 2007 through 2012. That is 29 percent of the purported 636 deaths for the entire United States that the Violence Policy Center attributes to permitted concealed handguns.

But there is the problem: If you look at page 2 in the latest report, you will see that the 28 suicides do not list a cause of death. The report merely notes that permit holders committed suicide. We don’t know if they committed suicide with a gun and if it was a gun, that it was the gun that they carried concealed. Given that the overwhelming majority of these suicides were presumably at home, like most suicides, it isn’t even clear why a concealed handgun permit is relevant.

Massive errors in the Violence Policy Center's "Concealed Carry Killers" - Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Sad to see Virginia go Communist/Progressive. Nuff said.

Yeah. Those bastards. Not letting illegal immigrants, mental patients, wife beaters, or felons conceal carry. For shame!

What's this country coming to when a drug dealer isn't allowed to conceal carry?

Be VERY specific and show us where any of the 25 States allow anyone on that list to conceal carry. More specifically most of those qualifications make it a federal crime to carry or own a firearm.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sad to see Virginia go Communist/Progressive. Nuff said.

Yeah. Those bastards. Not letting illegal immigrants, mental patients, wife beaters, or felons conceal carry. For shame!

What's this country coming to when a drug dealer isn't allowed to conceal carry?

Be VERY specific and show us where any of the 25 States allow anyone on that list to conceal carry. More specifically most of those qualifications make it a federal crime to carry or own a firearm.

They didn't even list what 25 states those are. If our state is on that list and we were revoked, then without a doubt this has nothing to do with vetting and everything to do with politics because I know what our stringent guidelines for getting a CCW are.

 

[g5000]

These concealed carry people are a huge, huge risk, believe me. I saw thousands and thousands of them celebrating over San Bernardino.

We must have vigilance!

 

[Care4all]

It makes sense to me....

Why should certain people from out of state be able to qualify to conceal carry in Virginia , when Virginia's own citizens with same issues not be allowed to conceal carry?

 

[2aguy]

So you switched from law abiding conceal and carry to drug dealers and felons???? I saw what you did there.

Yes. All the good guys must be punished so as to protect us from the bad guys, because the government can't tell the difference. Too many people have died.

The government did do the background check on my conceal and carry.

Mine, too. They did a background check on a lot of people who went on to commit murder, too.

We need a total and complete shutdown of guns entering Virginia until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

There is an extraordinary influx of hatred & danger coming into Virginia. We must be vigilant!

They did a total check on CCW holders who went on to commit murder? Any link to that by any chance?

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

Concealed carry killers have killed more Americans than the terrorists. We must ban them all from Virginia!

Vigilance!

this is a lie...your first mistake is being a lefty, your second mistake is trusting the Violence Policy Center, they have been caught lying several times...this one is no different...

CPRC at National Review: "Bogus Gun-Control Numbers: To prove that concealed handguns are dangerous, the Violence Policy Center cooks the books" - Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[2aguy]

It makes sense to me....

Why should certain people from out of state be able to qualify to conceal carry in Virginia , when Virginia's own citizens with same issues not be allowed to conceal carry?

Because their own state allowed them to...did you forget about gay marriage that all you lefties wanted...same thing genius.....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

These concealed carry people are a huge, huge risk, believe me. I saw thousands and thousands of them celebrating over San Bernardino.

We must have vigilance!

There are so many flaws in your analogies that it's laughable. The fact of the matter is that unlikes some of these ME people, CCW holders are very well vetted in "most" states.

Now I can understand the problem where CCW's are issued with no training, no courses and no testing. But these states are the exception and not the rule.

What's really sad is that you have to resort to using terrorists and the countries and groups where they came from to try and make a point. Very sad indeed.

 

[2aguy]

These concealed carry people are a huge, huge risk, believe me. I saw thousands and thousands of them celebrating over San Bernardino.

We must have vigilance!

There are so many flaws in your analogies that it's laughable. The fact of the matter is that unlikes some of these ME people, CCW holders are very well vetted in "most" states.

Now I can understand the problem where CCW's are issued with no training, no courses and no testing. But these states are the exception and not the rule.

What's really sad is that you have to resort to using terrorists and the countries and groups where they came from to try and make a point. Very sad indeed.

No.....he has to lie. All of the studies show that people who are law abiding and carry guns, with or without paperwork are more law abiding than the general population and even sworn police officers.

Normal gun owners are not going to shoot people simply because they are carrying a gun.

The people who actually do shoot people have long histories of violence and criminal behavior.....over 90% of shooters have at least one criminal conviction and 70% percent have more than one.......so no, normal people can carry guns all day long and they are not a threat to anyone.......

 

[2aguy]

Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record

A review of murder statistics across America shows that in many large cities, up to 90 percent of the victims have criminal records.
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The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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In early 2012, after pressure put on the police by murder victims’ families in New Orleans, the police department stopped revealing whether or not the murder victim had a prior record.

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Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.

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A WND review of the Philadelphia Police Department Murder and Shooting Analysis for 2011 shows a similar pattern to that of other large cities in America – a majority of the murder victims have prior records.



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In Philadelphia in 2011, of 324 murders, 81 percent (263) of the victims had at least one prior arrest; 62 percent (164) had been arrested for a violent crime prior to their murder.

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In Newark, N.J., long considered one of America’s most dangerous cities, 85 percent of the 165 murder victims between 2009 and 2010 had serious arrest histories.

Anthony Braga, a professor with the Rutgers-Newark School of Criminal Justice, told the Newark Star-Ledger that 85 percent of 165 murder victims in Newark between 2009 and 2010 had been arrested at least once before they were killed.

Those victims, he said, had, on average, 10 prior arrests on their criminal records.

A WND review of the Chicago Police Department Murder Analysis reports from 2003 to 2011 provides a statistical breakdown of the demographics of both the victims and offenders in the 4,265 murders in Chicago over that time period.

Of the victims of murder in Chicago from 2003 to 2011, an average of 77 percent had a prior arrest history, with a high of 79 percent of the 436 murdered in Chicago in 2010 having arrest histories.



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Public Health Pot Shots

this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...


These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them. Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available. Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.



Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.

Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence. In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.

Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments. Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.



According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."

A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.



Gangs in Fort Meyers Florida...



NBC2 Investigates: Gangs in Southwest Florida



The City of Fort Myers has been plagued with violence and murder. NBC2 Investigator Dave Elias dug deeper and found that drugs, crime and gangs are the common elements between those killings.

Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott says the three go hand-in-hand and all appear to be playing a big role in the city's crime problem.

"They're punks. They're criminals. And in most cases – cowards," said Sheriff Scott.

He also explained that gang members live by a much different set of rules.

"We're at a more violent time right now than at any time I recall," said Sheriff Scott. "You're talking about an area that - per capita - is on par with Detroit Michigan, in terms of homicides."

There were 25 murders in Fort Myers alone last year. And Sheriff Scott says all of the killings have those three things in common – drugs, crime and gangs.

"In most every case this is criminal killing criminal. This is bad guy on bad guy," he said.



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The Kate and Mauser study.......



http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS
One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40
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III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62
Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64
These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65
“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69
A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed
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US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

 

[2aguy]

Normal gun owners carrying guns for self defense are not a problem or a threat.....at all....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

These concealed carry people are a huge, huge risk, believe me. I saw thousands and thousands of them celebrating over San Bernardino.

We must have vigilance!

There are so many flaws in your analogies that it's laughable. The fact of the matter is that unlikes some of these ME people, CCW holders are very well vetted in "most" states.

Now I can understand the problem where CCW's are issued with no training, no courses and no testing. But these states are the exception and not the rule.

What's really sad is that you have to resort to using terrorists and the countries and groups where they came from to try and make a point. Very sad indeed.

No.....he has to lie. All of the studies show that people who are law abiding and carry guns, with or without paperwork are more law abiding than the general population and even sworn police officers.

Normal gun owners are not going to shoot people simply because they are carrying a gun.

The people who actually do shoot people have long histories of violence and criminal behavior.....over 90% of shooters have at least one criminal conviction and 70% percent have more than one.......so no, normal people can carry guns all day long and they are not a threat to anyone.......

I understand that. But what 5000 is trying to do is show how Virginia is no different than those who oppose middle-east immigration and particularly the Syrian refugees. He's trying to make the comparison between native born Americans and foreigners from lands where terrorism exists and are supported.

It's like the current stance they have about how many Americans are murdered by other Americans and not ME terrorists. Therefore because you stand a better chance at being killed by another American, that's all the reason to have open borders and allow anybody to enter.

 

[Care4all]

It makes sense to me....

Why should certain people from out of state be able to qualify to conceal carry in Virginia , when Virginia's own citizens with same issues not be allowed to conceal carry?

Because their own state allowed them to...did you forget about gay marriage that all you lefties wanted...same thing genius.....

I don't get what you are trying to say or compare???

 

[Old Rocks]

Normal gun owners carrying guns for self defense are not a problem or a threat.....at all....

Now, just how do we keep guns out of the hands of the 'abnormal'?