Voter ID: How about this?

[Dan Daly]

Blood. You have to enclose blood so we can check your DNA.

Perfect solution, once DNA testing is fast enough.

and once you submit your DNA for inclusion in a national database.

Geesh, some of you don't think this crap through. How far do you want to go down the rabbit hole of every man, woman and child in America being documented, added to some database, perhaps even chipped, to solve the freakin MINOR problem of people voting without a picture ID...while meanwhile MASSIVE voter fraud is being perpetrated by electronic/online voting and voter registration? It's like looking for unlit matches while the house is burning down around you.

 

[kaz]

Why "scoff"? You're suggesting it should cost money to vote?

Every State that requires and ID to vote gives a free ID to vote.

I think we should pay people to not vote. You go to the poll, show your ID, then have a choice, you can get a ballot or a $100 bill. Either way you're checked off and can't vote again that day. Wow we would save money over what it costs us for the people who would take the $100 vote for.

 

[rightwinger]

Why "scoff"? You're suggesting it should cost money to vote?

Every State that requires and ID to vote gives a free ID to vote.

I think we should pay people to not vote. You go to the poll, show your ID, then have a choice, you can get a ballot or a $100 bill. Either way you're checked off and can't vote again that day. Wow we would save money over what it costs us for the people who would take the $100 vote for.

Or we could offer a free gun

 

[boedicca]

Why not issue credentials that are acceptable to the state. Same credentials you would get at the DMV but it saves you the trip. You go to register for welfare, you show ID, they verify your residency and you are either issued a welfare card (from the state) or other picture ID that can be used to vote. You are also helped to register to vote at that time and given information on your polling place

Should make everyone happy

Why not just let the states run their own ID programs like the do now?

And I've already addressed the manipulative nature of tying voter registration to transfer payments. It's a BAD IDEA.

 

[kaz]

Why "scoff"? You're suggesting it should cost money to vote?

Every State that requires and ID to vote gives a free ID to vote.

I think we should pay people to not vote. You go to the poll, show your ID, then have a choice, you can get a ballot or a $100 bill. Either way you're checked off and can't vote again that day. Wow we would save money over what it costs us for the people who would take the $100 vote for.

Or we could offer a free gun

I like it, remind people what they are when they vote themselves other people's money.

 

[boedicca]

If they are citizen enough to get food stamps they are citizen enough to vote

Give them an ID and register them to vote

And that pretty much sums up the Decline of Western Civilization.

 

[Nosmo King]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

Why are you so interested in voter suppression? Your stance on guns is one of no compromise on anything. Yet you seem comfortable denying the right to vote to others. Explain this dichotomy.

 

[kaz]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

Why are you so interested in voter suppression? Your stance on guns is one of no compromise on anything. Yet you seem comfortable denying the right to vote to others. Explain this dichotomy.

Vote early, vote often, that's your philosophy.

Yes, we do want to restrict the vote to eligible voters voting once as themselves. I'm not seeing the issue.

 

[Pogo]

What the hell is a "BMV"? Bowel Movement Vessel?

Also ...

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

Why "scoff"? You're suggesting it should cost money to vote?

Every State that requires and ID to vote gives a free ID to vote.

Tell that to the poser I quoted. You know, the post you cut out.

 

[Nosmo King]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

Why are you so interested in voter suppression? Your stance on guns is one of no compromise on anything. Yet you seem comfortable denying the right to vote to others. Explain this dichotomy.

Vote early, vote often, that's your philosophy.

Yes, we do want to restrict the vote to eligible voters voting once as themselves. I'm not seeing the issue.

As there is little evidence of wide spread voter fraud, it seems that this move to suppress the vote is an answer in search of a problem.

Ask yourself a few questions: which political ideology is seeking to suppress the vote by requiring IDs?

Which voters would be most impacted by an ID requirement?

Now, aren't those same voters more likely to vote for the political ideology NOT seeking to suppress their votes?

It amounts to a political move by one ideology to suppress the voters from an opposite ideology. Politics turned against the constituency. But it makes sense to Conservatives. Why? Conservatives always take the obtuse view of a problem rather than seeing the obvious.

 

[boilermaker55]

Sorry that English doesn't make sense to you.

WOW! Someone has to spell it out for you.
Data for voter fraud! How prevalent is it in the country?
Give us the overwhelming percentage that this is a bit problem.

Again, show us some data that proves your "opinion" to this.

Not necessarily
I do not want legitimate citizens to be denied the right to vote

Key word there is citizens have the right to vote, not just anyone has the right to vote. Legitimate citizens will have no problem procuring a State ID card, non-citizens will have a problem and they should

Data for what? State ID cards are free, lol at "finding data" for this. What a nerdy beep boop thing to say. Beep boop cannot compute human language I only understand binary code.

I googled free voter id this is one of the first links i hit.

Wisconsin DMV Official Government Site - Obtaining an ID card

A percentage of voter fraud?

What does this even mean?

Could you translate this to English please...

 

[boilermaker55]

Thank you for picking and choosing. You left off the dark money.
It will be difficult to find that out but that is the real trouble.
Lets take all this money out of the election.

Surely you jest!
Why dont you worry about all the $$$$$ from citizens united that will taint an election.

Life before Citizens United:

 

[boilermaker55]

Airport:?

Surely you jest!
Why dont you worry about all the $$$$$ from citizens united that will taint an election. But, hey thats okay its the rich that know more and are trustworthy. Give it a break

When there is sufficient evidence of voter fraud....not......0.0001% get back to us.

You understand that this is how revolutions develop, don't you? When one side thinks the other side is cheating and the other side says "too bad, we're going to keep on cheating."

Elections then become illegitimate. Election results have to be accepted by all sides as a fair outcome. When one side doesn't trust the fairness of an election then the election is illegitimate.

On a related matter, don't you think it would be a grand idea to put employers in charge of running union drives and then counting the votes? I think that would be a marvelous idea.

Don't call me Shirley

 

[tinydancer]

Voter ID proponents are like a stuck record. Even though it has been empirically proven that Voter ID does not stop fraud, they still want money wasted on it!

Amazing.

They cannot explain themselves. All we get is retarded responses like, "Because South Africa." Holy SHIT!!!

Because South Africa.

Never mind that Voter ID does not stop fraud, we must have it "because South Africa."

We're talking serious mental retardation here.



Voter ID. Does. Not. Stop. Fraud.

It's far more countries that require Voter ID than South Africa and you bloody well know it. I know that you aren't that stupid.

By bringing up the third world countries that the Carter Center and the UN observers work with during elections and those countries requiring voter ID is to prove that even poor third world nations are striving for electoral integrity.

Obviously the Democrats believe that American minorities are just dumb lazy fucking idiots who just can't cope with getting identification.

And that g5000 is a huge insult to American minorities no matter which way you look at it.

 

[tinydancer]

American minorities obviously according to liberals can't possibly be intelligent enough to get identification.

Meanwhile in Libya....

 

[tinydancer]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

Why are you so interested in voter suppression? Your stance on guns is one of no compromise on anything. Yet you seem comfortable denying the right to vote to others. Explain this dichotomy.

Vote early, vote often, that's your philosophy.

Yes, we do want to restrict the vote to eligible voters voting once as themselves. I'm not seeing the issue.

As there is little evidence of wide spread voter fraud, it seems that this move to suppress the vote is an answer in search of a problem.

Ask yourself a few questions: which political ideology is seeking to suppress the vote by requiring IDs?

Which voters would be most impacted by an ID requirement?

Now, aren't those same voters more likely to vote for the political ideology NOT seeking to suppress their votes?

It amounts to a political move by one ideology to suppress the voters from an opposite ideology. Politics turned against the constituency. But it makes sense to Conservatives. Why? Conservatives always take the obtuse view of a problem rather than seeing the obvious.

Bullshit. Why do you think your minorities are less intelligent or less capable than people in third world countries? How can they pull off these elections with international monitors requiring voter ID?

The argument is bogus that this leads to voter suppression.

 

[Nosmo King]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

Why are you so interested in voter suppression? Your stance on guns is one of no compromise on anything. Yet you seem comfortable denying the right to vote to others. Explain this dichotomy.

Vote early, vote often, that's your philosophy.

Yes, we do want to restrict the vote to eligible voters voting once as themselves. I'm not seeing the issue.

As there is little evidence of wide spread voter fraud, it seems that this move to suppress the vote is an answer in search of a problem.

Ask yourself a few questions: which political ideology is seeking to suppress the vote by requiring IDs?

Which voters would be most impacted by an ID requirement?

Now, aren't those same voters more likely to vote for the political ideology NOT seeking to suppress their votes?

It amounts to a political move by one ideology to suppress the voters from an opposite ideology. Politics turned against the constituency. But it makes sense to Conservatives. Why? Conservatives always take the obtuse view of a problem rather than seeing the obvious.

Bullshit. Why do you think your minorities are less intelligent or less capable than people in third world countries? How can they pull off these elections with international monitors requiring voter ID?

The argument is bogus that this leads to voter suppression.

Why not abandon the notion of voter suppression and drop calls for voter ID altogether?

 

[boilermaker55]

Voter fraud and voter ID is trying to find a solution to a problem that does not exist.

 

[Harry Dresden]

How do you verify the identity of a mail in vote?

Can we have one strict ID system and one that only requires a signature?

here is how that is done here.......


To register to vote you must complete a brief voter registration application on paper or online. When you register online, the system will search the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) database for your California driver license or identification card number, date of birth, and last four digits of your social security number. If your information is found and you authorize elections officials' use of your DMV signature, an electronic image of your DMV signature will be added to your voter registration application after you click "submit" at the end of the online application. If there is no signature on file with DMV, all of your information will be transmitted to your county elections office; you will just need to click "print," sign the paper application, and mail it. Yourcounty elections officialwill contact you when your voter registration application is approved or when more information is needed to confirm your eligibility.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Blood. You have to enclose blood so we can check your DNA.

Perfect solution, once DNA testing is fast enough.

and once you submit your DNA for inclusion in a national database.

When I submit my DNA to the OH secretary of state for voter registration, it goes into a federal database?
Funny... my current voter information isn't in a federal database. Neither is my drivers license, or carry permit.

Geesh, some of you don't think this crap through.

People like... oh... you?