Was this a hate crime? You be the judge

[NYcarbineer]

lol, it's not a hate crime to the many conservatives who claim there's no such thing as a hate crime.

It is assault and battery or attempted murder. What the perpretrator said or thought at the time does not matter.

If you are killed because someone hates liberals or to steal your money, is exactly the same crime. You are dead and the perp is a murderer.

you are correct, there is no such thing as a hate crime.

Well actually the law says differently.

 

[Redfish]

lol, it's not a hate crime to the many conservatives who claim there's no such thing as a hate crime.

It is assault and battery or attempted murder. What the perpretrator said or thought at the time does not matter.

If you are killed because someone hates liberals or to steal your money, is exactly the same crime. You are dead and the perp is a murderer.

you are correct, there is no such thing as a hate crime.

Well actually the law says differently.

yes, in some places it does. That does not make it right.

Why should a guy that kills you because he hates you get a stiffer sentence than a guy who kills you to steal your watch?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Hate crimes are a bullshit designation created by the moronic left. I voted no for that reason.

 

[2aguy]

Hate crimes are a bullshit designation created by the moronic left. I voted no for that reason.

"Hate Crimes" were created so the left could go after their political/class enemies.......they want to have an extra dose of punishment they can hand out if a criminal is from the other side of the political aisle from them......

 

[reconmark]

So, an Alabama white man gets mobbed and beaten in front of his wife and 4 year old by a black mob screaming "Get that white!" Is this a hate crime?

Yes it was a hate crime, if in fact it was unprovoked and the perpetrators attacked them due to their race...now what???

 

[JoeB131]

If the attack occurred the way that the victims are portraying it, then it was a hate crime.

In any event, the people who attacked this family should be charged with assault and punished appropriately.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Hate is a thought or a feeling.

Who here supports regulating thoughts or feelings?

The left.

This is why supporting the designation, hate crime, is both dangerous & stupid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hate crimes are a bullshit designation created by the moronic left. I voted no for that reason.

"Hate Crimes" were created so the left could go after their political/class enemies.......they want to have an extra dose of punishment they can hand out if a criminal is from the other side of the political aisle from them......

Who told you that?

 

[JoeB131]

Hate is a thought or a feeling.

Who here supports regulating thoughts or feelings?

The left.

This is why supporting the designation, hate crime, is both dangerous & stupid.

No, there is a logic and reasoning behind punishing hate crimes. Hate Crimes tend to be more vicious.

A crook mugs you for your wallet. It means he's not going to use any more force than he needs to get your money. He might seriously injure you or even kill you, but those are incidental.

A hate crime is designed to specifically injure or kill someone for just being who they are, and they often involve a much higher level of violence.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Hate is a thought or a feeling.

Who here supports regulating thoughts or feelings?

The left.

This is why supporting the designation, hate crime, is both dangerous & stupid.

No, there is a logic and reasoning behind punishing hate crimes. Hate Crimes tend to be more vicious.

A crook mugs you for your wallet. It means he's not going to use any more force than he needs to get your money. He might seriously injure you or even kill you, but those are incidental.

A hate crime is designed to specifically injure or kill someone for just being who they are, and they often involve a much higher level of violence.

This logic is just stupid, for several reasons.

First and foremost, criminals don't consider criminal statutes or how severe they are before acting on a crime.

Second, life in prison is no different than life in prison plus 10 or whatever you choose to call it.
You punish someone based on the severity of the crime. Judges have latitude so your made up thought crimes are unnecessary

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Hate is a thought or a feeling.

Who here supports regulating thoughts or feelings?

The left.

This is why supporting the designation, hate crime, is both dangerous & stupid.

No, there is a logic and reasoning behind punishing hate crimes. Hate Crimes tend to be more vicious.

A crook mugs you for your wallet. It means he's not going to use any more force than he needs to get your money. He might seriously injure you or even kill you, but those are incidental.

A hate crime is designed to specifically injure or kill someone for just being who they are, and they often involve a much higher level of violence.

The only difference in your two scenarios is the thought.

The outcome is the same. You're mugged or injured or dead.
You get shot in the face the "reason" is pretty god damn irrelevant

 

[JoeB131]

This logic is just stupid, for several reasons.

First and foremost, criminals don't consider criminal statutes or how severe they are before acting on a crime.

Well, I'm sure you didn't. But a lot do. I will defer to your superior knowledge of the "criminal' thought pattern, though.

Second, life in prison is no different than life in prison plus 10 or whatever you choose to call it.

True, but a hate crime adder for an assault does make it a lot worse.

You punish someone based on the severity of the crime. Judges have latitude so your made up thought crimes are unnecessary

exactly. Judges have lattitude, but a lot of judges share the racism, homophobia or misogyny of the offenders, so they practice it in the wrong direction. Like the weirdo j udge in MT who gave a guy who banged an 11 year old probation because she was "asking for it." (The girl later killed herself.)

 

[Mac1958]

So, an Alabama white man gets mobbed and beaten in front of his wife and 4 year old by a black mob screaming "Get that white!" Is this a hate crime?

It's good that you put this in the form of a question and not a declarative statement, i.e., "this is a hate crime".

We must always remember that The PC Police alone are in charge of determining what "hate" is, what a "hate crime" is, what "racism" is, and what words we are and are not allowed to say without having to fear their "consequences".

Well done.

.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This logic is just stupid, for several reasons.

First and foremost, criminals don't consider criminal statutes or how severe they are before acting on a crime.

Well, I'm sure you didn't. But a lot do. I will defer to your superior knowledge of the "criminal' thought pattern, though.

Second, life in prison is no different than life in prison plus 10 or whatever you choose to call it.

True, but a hate crime adder for an assault does make it a lot worse.

You punish someone based on the severity of the crime. Judges have latitude so your made up thought crimes are unnecessary

exactly. Judges have lattitude, but a lot of judges share the racism, homophobia or misogyny of the offenders, so they practice it in the wrong direction. Like the weirdo j udge in MT who gave a guy who banged an 11 year old probation because she was "asking for it." (The girl later killed herself.)

You're an idiot. If criminals considered the punishment before the did the crime our prisons wouldn't be so over populated.

 

[JoeB131]

You're an idiot. If criminals considered the punishment before the did the crime our prisons wouldn't be so over populated.

Again, I've never been to prison. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

 

[kaz]

lol, it's not a hate crime to the many conservatives who claim there's no such thing as a hate crime.

All crimes are hate crimes

 

[2aguy]

Hate is a thought or a feeling.

Who here supports regulating thoughts or feelings?

The left.

This is why supporting the designation, hate crime, is both dangerous & stupid.

No, there is a logic and reasoning behind punishing hate crimes. Hate Crimes tend to be more vicious.

A crook mugs you for your wallet. It means he's not going to use any more force than he needs to get your money. He might seriously injure you or even kill you, but those are incidental.

A hate crime is designed to specifically injure or kill someone for just being who they are, and they often involve a much higher level of violence.

Yeah...and we already have laws that deal with more violent crimes moron...no need for "hate" to be a part of it...that requires mind reading.....the D.C. family...the husband was tied to a chair and beaten to death, the mother was tied to a chair and slashed and stabbed to death with a knife, the 10 year old son was tortured to make the parents comply and the house keeper was also killed.....to get 40,000 dollars.......was their hate involved......? And will the end sentence need "hate " to be an element to send these guys to prison for life, or better yet, the death penalty......

moron....

 

[Katzndogz]

It was a hate crime. That white guy put his face in the way of black fists. The innocent blacks may have hurt themselves punching the white guy. Prosecute him when he gets out of the hospital.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You're an idiot. If criminals considered the punishment before the did the crime our prisons wouldn't be so over populated.

Again, I've never been to prison. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

I just did dumbfuck.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah...and we already have laws that deal with more violent crimes moron...no need for "hate" to be a part of it...that requires mind reading.....the D.C. family...the husband was tied to a chair and beaten to death, the mother was tied to a chair and slashed and stabbed to death with a knife, the 10 year old son was tortured to make the parents comply and the house keeper was also killed.....to get 40,000 dollars.......was their hate involved......? And will the end sentence need "hate " to be an element to send these guys to prison for life, or better yet, the death penalty......

moron....

since I don't know what the background of that case was, I couldn't tell you.

I'm sure there are aggrevating circumstances laws to meet out a harsher punishment for these guys.