We can't compromise! We can't collaborate! We can't cooperate!

[night_son]

I'm sure glad these guys didn't say what today's parties are saying.
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Today's 24/7 MSM driven American political narrative is all about widening The Divide between generic sides. Used to be we could turn to independent 'journalistic' outlets online or even private citizens kicking out on the ground video reports. More and more often now You Tube media vigilantes are selling out after hitting those hallowed subscriber numbers when political lobbying groups offer sponsorship deals which amount to paid spin. All resources now go to winning hearts and minds for their respective sides, rather than discussions to solve partisan roadblocks and advance the process for benefit of All Americans.

Our political process has become the serpent eating it's own tail. When we do deign to debate rationally the other side's stance it's often about semantics of fundamental issues such as protection of children from predators; something everyone by virtue of being human should stand for.

We're morally corrupt and getting corrupter. Arguments for the sake of arguing, never for solving. We hate each other with a venom the MSM injects directly into our minds; they hit us where it hurts at home and in our hearts and we lap up the hate narrative all day, every day. When we ought to be acting we're stalling on the semantics--line by 500,000 page document line. Congress stalls. The pundits stall. Meanwhile the popcorn is popped and the credits never roll.

And we're all terrified of speaking ancient truths underlying civilization since its get-go. Political correctness has replaced common decency; radical hybridization of the human given is norm. Some opine for the abject disgusting, while others try to stand against winds of cultural hurricanes wearing greased boots.

We've lost our center, our identities and while many of us can recognize the end of the gangplank, we close our eyes tighter and keep marching.

We need unity, not division, duh? But how can that happen when Division is the hottest product on the American market?

 

[edthecynic]

With Hillary as the Dem nominee, I would have preferred to vote third party.

So why didn't you, I did!
Voting 3rd Party tells BOTH sides you don't like them.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The only people you can compromise with are those you have common views on
You can't collaborate with people who hate what you stand for
You can't cooperate with people who hate your very existence.

May 12, 2008
RUSH: I maintain that moderates and independents are Democrats. Because, by definition, if someone or some organization is not conservative, it's by definition going to be liberal, not moderate, not independent, it's going to be liberal.

quotes from your hero?

Quotes from YOUR master!

TDS in overload

 

[kaz]

AGAIN, at 100,000 feet, I understand that. I already told you that.

What I don't understand is what it means in practicality, and you aren't telling me.

If I want less government, and leftists want more government, why would I give them more? Why would they give me less? Should we agree to do nothing? I'm asking what you are proposing as an application to ANY actual policy

This is so fundamental that I honestly, truly don't know what to say.

Communicate. LISTEN. Consider new possibilities. Don't shut yourself off. Don't attack. LISTEN. Take one of their ideas and add to it. Ask honest questions. Give honest answers.

Honestly, I'm at a loss here. How do you think a business comes up with wild, innovative new ideas? Do you think they just find a bunch of people who think alike and toss them into a room?

Come on.
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Yes, they do. All leftists think alike. They have the same position on every issue and justify them with the same talking points.

You will only get disagreement from a leftist to a leftist position in a different discussion on a different subject where they use it to claim they don't agree with Democrats on every position. They will however be silent in a discussion on the subject they disagree with the left on a discussion about that topic.

Other leftist will see their comment and let it go because they realize what they are doing and are aware the leftist won't mention their disagreement with the Democrats in a discussion on that topic

I think you missed my point. The better option is to have a wide range of people and ideas. Some ideas have to go into the toilet. Others have to be changed. Egos are checked at the door. That's what creates innovation.
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We don't' need innovation in government. We need less of it.

Innovation could include making government more efficient, less costly, less obtrusive, yet more acceptable to all.

Open your mind. Or don't.
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An open mind would realize how completely ridiculous that is

 

[Mac1958]

We need unity, not division, duh? But how can that happen when Division is the hottest product on the American market?

Bingo, thank you.

I call them the "Division Pimps" - media types who have a vested professional interest in keeping their flocks angry, myopic and divided. And their flocks eagerly and obediently respond.

Look at some of the posts on this thread, where I'm actually trying to describe how collaboration would work. Holy crap. There's a theory that it has been so long since we communicated like adults that we've literally lost the skill, and I agree. That concerns me.
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[LordBrownTrout]

You just provided it: Less vs. More. That exists on a continuum.

If you said you would only accept 0% government, and they said they would only accept 100%, we'd be at an irreconcilable impasse.

But if you both agree that the answer is somewhere on the continuum, the task would be to find the various points on the continuum that the myriad different costs and responsibilities of the government could exist.

Then, there would be some give and take, where you get something more to your liking, and where they got something else more to their liking. Each side wins a few, each side loses a few, both sides win a few.

Isn't this kind of obvious?
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It's obvious because you stayed in the clouds and didn't say anything specific.

Give me an example of an issue that the left will compromise on and how someone who is for less government could realistically make an agreement with them to compromise

I can't speak for the Left, but I stayed general because there are so many possible examples.

The level of personal taxation, the level of corporate taxation, the size of the military, the level of government involvement in health care, the various departments, on and on and on.

This stuff is so fundamental, I don't know what you want. If two people who are different points on a continuum actually need help in doing something this basic, we're fucked.
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I'm on the "left" and I can give you an example.

Analysis | Schumer offered Trump something Democrats hate for something Republicans broadly like

Is that an example of collaboration? Did Trump agree?
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It was, yet again, another example of Democrats trying to compromise with Republicans and Republicans, yet again, refusing to do so.

Dems aren't compromising and they weren't either when O was ramming his worthless policies.

 

[J.E.D]

You don't compromise with liberal traitors you defeat them.

Apparently, without punctuation.

 

[kaz]

Evading the question yet again.

It really is simple. I want less government, leftists want more government. Isn't the compromise to that in your terms to leave it where it is?

Does a compromise to more versus left government to you mean

1) More government (but less than leftists want)

2) The same government

3) Less government (but less than I want)

Those are the only three logical possibilities

I'm not evading.

Don't collaborate. Don't do anything. That's your call.
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Of course you're evading. You're saying let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but you have no idea how we "compromise" between wanting to grow and shrink government.

I'm willing to trade. But I'm not going to agree to grow government in doing it. How am I being obstinate by not taking a choice I don't have?

Oh boy, straw man.

Again: You're right. Don't collaborate. Don't talk to them. Don't go near them.

I think you've got this nailed. You're right. I'm wrong.
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Give me a single meaningful example of any issue the left was willing to compromise on over the last 30 years.

Note: Compromise does not mean they get some of what they want and give nothing in return and compromise does not mean they gave up something they didn't have, like your Obamacare example

I told you: You win. No collaboration. Innovation is bad. New ideas are bad.

You win.
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Now you're just being a dick.

I've asked you to back up your argument with content. OK, you win. No detail is necessary, hold hands, sing Kumbaya, feel each other and the left will decide to start compromising

 

[80zephyr]

Thanks for the lesson in adulting, Mac. How is that 10 year experiment coming along? Any helpful conclusions yet?

I'm sure this means something.

Too many people like this, with too much influence.
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There is not too much I can compromise on.


The goal of the other side is to permanently marginalize and oppress me and my people.


Before Trump they were openly gloating that "the next Republican President hasn't been born yet".


What can I do with that?

Sometimes it means just not getting what you want. Maybe you're just wrong on some things, and the other guys will be proven right.

Or maybe by working together we'll come up with new approaches. It sure works in the business world. Innovation.

But we get nowhere if the goal is to beat the other side. Then it becomes party over country.
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OK. I'll play this game. Since at least FDR, and possibly Wilson, the right has been caving into the wants of the left. We have welfare, abortion, easy divorce, gay marriage, a huge federal government, etc., etc., etc...

So, you tell me, just where has the left compromised? No. Where.

And when people FINALLY have had enough, and finally start to fight back, we become Nazi's, bigots and deplorables.

If you really want me to play nice, you can start by showing me just where the left has compromised in the last 50 years or so.

Mark

 

[Mac1958]

I'm not evading.

Don't collaborate. Don't do anything. That's your call.
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Of course you're evading. You're saying let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but you have no idea how we "compromise" between wanting to grow and shrink government.

I'm willing to trade. But I'm not going to agree to grow government in doing it. How am I being obstinate by not taking a choice I don't have?

Oh boy, straw man.

Again: You're right. Don't collaborate. Don't talk to them. Don't go near them.

I think you've got this nailed. You're right. I'm wrong.
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Give me a single meaningful example of any issue the left was willing to compromise on over the last 30 years.

Note: Compromise does not mean they get some of what they want and give nothing in return and compromise does not mean they gave up something they didn't have, like your Obamacare example

I told you: You win. No collaboration. Innovation is bad. New ideas are bad.

You win.
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Now you're just being a dick.

I've asked you to back up your argument with content. OK, you win. No detail is necessary, hold hands, sing Kumbaya, feel each other and the left will decide to start compromising

Great, thanks!
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[kaz]

You don't compromise with liberal traitors you defeat them.

Apparently, without punctuation.

Trolling for grammar a noble cause nicely done

 

[kaz]

Of course you're evading. You're saying let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but you have no idea how we "compromise" between wanting to grow and shrink government.

I'm willing to trade. But I'm not going to agree to grow government in doing it. How am I being obstinate by not taking a choice I don't have?

Oh boy, straw man.

Again: You're right. Don't collaborate. Don't talk to them. Don't go near them.

I think you've got this nailed. You're right. I'm wrong.
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Give me a single meaningful example of any issue the left was willing to compromise on over the last 30 years.

Note: Compromise does not mean they get some of what they want and give nothing in return and compromise does not mean they gave up something they didn't have, like your Obamacare example

I told you: You win. No collaboration. Innovation is bad. New ideas are bad.

You win.
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Now you're just being a dick.

I've asked you to back up your argument with content. OK, you win. No detail is necessary, hold hands, sing Kumbaya, feel each other and the left will decide to start compromising

Great, thanks!
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How's your campaign to just love on each other and the rest will work itself out going so far?

 

[Vastator]

It's obvious because you stayed in the clouds and didn't say anything specific.

Give me an example of an issue that the left will compromise on and how someone who is for less government could realistically make an agreement with them to compromise

I can't speak for the Left, but I stayed general because there are so many possible examples.

The level of personal taxation, the level of corporate taxation, the size of the military, the level of government involvement in health care, the various departments, on and on and on.

This stuff is so fundamental, I don't know what you want. If two people who are different points on a continuum actually need help in doing something this basic, we're fucked.
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I'm on the "left" and I can give you an example.

Analysis | Schumer offered Trump something Democrats hate for something Republicans broadly like

Is that an example of collaboration? Did Trump agree?
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It was, yet again, another example of Democrats trying to compromise with Republicans and Republicans, yet again, refusing to do so.

Dems aren't compromising and they weren't either when O was ramming his worthless policies.

The only time the left has considered, or offered compromise; is when their throat was under a boot heel. Finality, is what this country needs to move forward. Not the stagnation of old animosities, in favor of a temporary peace.

 

[J.E.D]

The only people you can compromise with are those you have common views on

But the meaning of compromise is to give something to get something; for two or more people, or groups, to agree to work together toward a common goal even if it means giving into some of your adversary’s wants and vice versa.

What kind of compromise are you talking about between people who have the same values and opinions?

“Let’s agree to agree!”

“It’s a compromise!”

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Thanks for the lesson in adulting, Mac. How is that 10 year experiment coming along? Any helpful conclusions yet?

I'm sure this means something.

Too many people like this, with too much influence.
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There is not too much I can compromise on.


The goal of the other side is to permanently marginalize and oppress me and my people.


Before Trump they were openly gloating that "the next Republican President hasn't been born yet".


What can I do with that?

And it would be one hundred years before the GOP would ever gain the House back...

The reality is neither side can understand that America is like a fickle woman and one momemt she is left and the next she is right and all because of MSM, Talk Radio and the opinions of Spin Doctors...

 

[night_son]

We need unity, not division, duh? But how can that happen when Division is the hottest product on the American market?

Bingo, thank you.

I call them the "Division Pimps" - media types who have a vested professional interest in keeping their flocks angry, myopic and divided. And their flocks eagerly and obediently respond.

Look at some of the posts on this thread, where I'm actually trying to describe how collaboration would work. Holy crap. There's a theory that it has been so long since we communicated like adults that we've literally lost the skill, and I agree. That concerns me.
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The Left has taken a certain amount of 'moral' ground since the late 50's. They've fought very hard to find our Nation so far out on that frontier. If we are really serious about compromise, there's got to be a way to cede them some moral territory while still preserving what it means to be American and human. The preceding also applies to governance of the country. We can't cede the radical Democratic Socialist platform line by line and still be a free, safe, functioning country; however, in compromise we need to find middle space nearer the center where ideas from all sides amalgamate and we re-forge our American brand of social steel stronger than ever.

Otherwise, and I am certainly guilty of refusal to give ground as well, one side with have to flatten the other for what it believes best. Isn't our great nation founded on the premise of constant, non-violent internal civil war? Checks and balances. Debate in Congress. Arguments before the bench. Something just isn't working like it used to.

 

[BluesLegend]

You don't compromise with liberal traitors you defeat them.

Another mindless DittoTard parroting their MessiahRushie's BS.

You mad bro? Its not our fault, liberals forced us to CRUSH them by being lawless thugs and conspiring with foreigners to harm our country.

 

[BluesLegend]

You don't compromise with liberal traitors you defeat them.

Apparently, without punctuation.

Your post seems petty and well liberal.

 

[BluesLegend]

Oh boy, straw man.

Again: You're right. Don't collaborate. Don't talk to them. Don't go near them.

I think you've got this nailed. You're right. I'm wrong.
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Give me a single meaningful example of any issue the left was willing to compromise on over the last 30 years.

Note: Compromise does not mean they get some of what they want and give nothing in return and compromise does not mean they gave up something they didn't have, like your Obamacare example

I told you: You win. No collaboration. Innovation is bad. New ideas are bad.

You win.
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Now you're just being a dick.

I've asked you to back up your argument with content. OK, you win. No detail is necessary, hold hands, sing Kumbaya, feel each other and the left will decide to start compromising

Great, thanks!
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How's your campaign to just love on each other and the rest will work itself out going so far?

His thread was destroyed and credibility damaged.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't compromise with liberal traitors you defeat them.

Another mindless DittoTard parroting their MessiahRushie's BS.

It's wise advice.