We get to pay for student loans. Great.

There is no real "debt", that's a misnomer, it's simply a ledger of how much money assets are in the economy, being saved in treasury bonds. The federal government can't go insolvent because it is the exclusive issuer of the dollar. You're confusing micro and macro economics, household debt, with a government with a sovereign currency. They're both not the same.




More, tuition-free college, is an investment that will benefit the country tremendously. Having a well-educated and skilled populace benefits everyone.


It benefits the student the most. College graduates (usually) make better money than blue collar workers. Why should blue collar workers pay for somebody else to make better money than them?

When this unreal debt you speak of gets so large we can't even pay the interest on it, yes, we go into default and nobody will lend us a dime. It will be a worldwide economic collapse.
 
I am generally not a fan of this. I don't necessarily agree with the premise that we're eating the bill for it, as those loans were already disbursed. But I kind of agree with Larry Summers in that this could lead to inflationary pressure going back in the wrong direction. Beyond that, I think it's just opening up a major can of worms. Like who decides that someone earning $100-125K (which is still a decent income by the way) should get loan exemptions, but someone earning $130K or 150K should not? Just not a good idea.
The European view here is simpler...

How far you go in education should not be determined by how wealthy your parents are OR how much personal debt you can take...

Fundamentally Education is something that we got for free and something we should be passing on for free... We should not make young adults have to take the burden of it. The older generation didn't have to take it...

Education should be based on the individuals
  • Choice
  • Ability
  • Hard work
Young Adults should be given a blank slate to be able to progress without debt and the payments of that debt.
Guess what.. Tax is a far better and fairer way to have them pay.

This creates a social change in workers... In Europe after a leaving college many kids actually take a year or two and travel, Ireland favourite is Australia and Canada. They travel educated and take jobs related to their education, what they learn is actually an alternative way to there home country way of doing things. This brings in new ideas and ways of working. You still hear various professions discuss the way things are done in many countries around the world and the advantages and disadvantages of all of them... Imagine how much better workers these relatively young people are..
The new workers, work to live and want to bring that attitude with them too... They become more focused on supporting families unlike in the US..
 
Tis the way of our country for the last 100 years
The elderly are slowly getting screwed. The extortion of their paychecks for many decades were made of promises to be paid back. But the costs of many services have increased in massive ways. For a few decades until recently seniors rode the top of the living ladder. Those with great pensions from their employers are still doing great. But many are not so fortunate and are falling behind. For socialism those with great pensions must be taxed higher to stop or slow the regressions of those who are falling behind.
 
The European view here is simpler...

How far you go in education should not be determined by how wealthy your parents are OR how much personal debt you can take...

Fundamentally Education is something that we got for free and something we should be passing on for free... We should not make young adults have to take the burden of it. The older generation didn't have to take it...

Education should be based on the individuals
  • Choice
  • Ability
  • Hard work
Young Adults should be given a blank slate to be able to progress without debt and the payments of that debt.
Guess what.. Tax is a far better and fairer way to have them pay.

This creates a social change in workers... In Europe after a leaving college many kids actually take a year or two and travel, Ireland favourite is Australia and Canada. They travel educated and take jobs related to their education, what they learn is actually an alternative way to there home country way of doing things. This brings in new ideas and ways of working. You still hear various professions discuss the way things are done in many countries around the world and the advantages and disadvantages of all of them... Imagine how much better workers these relatively young people are..
The new workers, work to live and want to bring that attitude with them too... They become more focused on supporting families unlike in the US..
So who are doing better? The Western Europeans and Americans or the Chinese at this point?
 
Young Adults should be given a blank slate to be able to progress without debt and the payments of that debt.

Then they should get a job instead of going to college. Young people should be without debt by passing on their debt to other people? Where is the equity in that?
 
The European view here is simpler...

How far you go in education should not be determined by how wealthy your parents are OR how much personal debt you can take...

Fundamentally Education is something that we got for free and something we should be passing on for free... We should not make young adults have to take the burden of it. The older generation didn't have to take it...

Education should be based on the individuals
  • Choice
  • Ability
  • Hard work
Young Adults should be given a blank slate to be able to progress without debt and the payments of that debt.
Guess what.. Tax is a far better and fairer way to have them pay.

This creates a social change in workers... In Europe after a leaving college many kids actually take a year or two and travel, Ireland favourite is Australia and Canada. They travel educated and take jobs related to their education, what they learn is actually an alternative way to there home country way of doing things. This brings in new ideas and ways of working. You still hear various professions discuss the way things are done in many countries around the world and the advantages and disadvantages of all of them... Imagine how much better workers these relatively young people are..
The new workers, work to live and want to bring that attitude with them too... They become more focused on supporting families unlike in the US..

We don't do that here because we believe that we live in an Amero-centric universe.
 
The European view here is simpler...

How far you go in education should not be determined by how wealthy your parents are OR how much personal debt you can take...

Fundamentally Education is something that we got for free and something we should be passing on for free... We should not make young adults have to take the burden of it. The older generation didn't have to take it...

Education should be based on the individuals
  • Choice
  • Ability
  • Hard work
Young Adults should be given a blank slate to be able to progress without debt and the payments of that debt.
Guess what.. Tax is a far better and fairer way to have them pay.

This creates a social change in workers... In Europe after a leaving college many kids actually take a year or two and travel, Ireland favourite is Australia and Canada. They travel educated and take jobs related to their education, what they learn is actually an alternative way to there home country way of doing things. This brings in new ideas and ways of working. You still hear various professions discuss the way things are done in many countries around the world and the advantages and disadvantages of all of them... Imagine how much better workers these relatively young people are..
The new workers, work to live and want to bring that attitude with them too... They become more focused on supporting families unlike in the US..

A more serious reply...

We used to have a better system, one that was far more affordable. But many state governments stopped funding their higher education systems, which became more and more privatized even though they're officially 'public' universities. The schools adopted a commercialized marketplace model in which they compete with each other for student tuition money. They compete by adding all sorts of quality of student life amenities such as fancy dorms, fitness centers, fancy cafeterias and food courts - things that really aren't necessary to improve education but costs loads of money that are ultimately paid for through rising tuition fees, and other expensive fees like on-campus parking. Schools in turn rely on a 'flexible' workforce of inexperienced, undereducated adjunct instructors to have most of the student-facing teaching/learning experiences in years 1 and 2.

And we wonder why most of the population believes in crazy conspiracy theories.
 
A more serious reply...

We used to have a better system, one that was far more affordable. But many state governments stopped funding their higher education systems, which became more and more privatized even though they're officially 'public' universities. The schools adopted a commercialized marketplace model in which they compete with each other for student tuition money. They compete by adding all sorts of quality of student life amenities such as fancy dorms, fitness centers, fancy cafeterias and food courts - things that really aren't necessary to improve education but costs loads of money that are ultimately paid for through rising tuition fees, and other expensive fees like on-campus parking. Schools in turn rely on a 'flexible' workforce of inexperienced, undereducated adjunct instructors to have most of the student-facing teaching/learning experiences in years 1 and 2.

And we wonder why most of the population believes in crazy conspiracy theories.
The college academics are greedy bastards who just want as much money as they can get
 
If one has a social education then all the school/college/university is doing is selling you a diploma/degree because most socially educated people cannot achieve passing college grades at the academic level.
When I was much younger the nation went into a social education mode. Liberal Arts as the way to go. It was pushed to open up all our minds. It only works if you came from a restrictive environment. Many people do not or are not from that environment. Extremism came from those who were already leftward. And now we see the results. The whole system is pure mind thinking now. With a dystopian way of thinking that will see someone argue and even attack another while they slowly starve and live without a roof over their head. Globalist ingenious propaganda to the subjects of their utopia.
 
So who are doing better? The Western Europeans and Americans or the Chinese at this point?
On Quality of Life Western Europe...

Overall Western Europe has
  • Lower poverty
  • Higher life expectancy
  • Lower working week
  • Higher workers rights
  • Better Environmental laws
  • Higher Healthcare coverage
  • Better Educated
China is basically a second world country... Corruption is rife, I mean really bad... Human rights are terrible... It in no way compares to US or Europe...

So who is doing better is really between US and Western Europe...

Germany has ran a surplus for 9 out of the last 12 years. A single person on $55k in Germany pays less overall income tax than his US equivalent.
Germany has universal healthcare, education is free,....
BTW Trades in Germany are treated like higher degrees and the process of becoming a plumber is the same as becoming a teacher... They are both treated as professionals..
Police is becoming three year degree course. It is a diploma at the moment (2 - 2.5 yr) but will be 3yr soon and that still doesn't allow you to use a firearm (different course 8 wks, I think).
 
The college academics are greedy bastards who just want as much money as they can get

The college academics aren't earning nearly as much money as the MBAs who run the show, earning upwards of a million dollars per annum (if not more) at any major university. Academia has its hardcore leftists for sure - I won't disagree. But it's much more of a reflection of corporate America than most people think.
 
A more serious reply...

We used to have a better system, one that was far more affordable. But many state governments stopped funding their higher education systems, which became more and more privatized even though they're officially 'public' universities. The schools adopted a commercialized marketplace model in which they compete with each other for student tuition money.

This is known as supply and demand. As a baby boomer our classes were larger back then. I left school in 1978. In a class of about 30 students, maybe seven or eight actually went to college. Others got jobs or went for a trade.

Today out of a class of 30, probably 20 to 25 of those students are going to college. That's why it's so expensive today. Colleges don't have to compete for students like they did in the 70's. Today you're lucky if a college selects you.

So what happens if government pays for college? Everybody and their mother will want to attend. And what happens when there is even more demand than supply? You guessed it.
 

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