We Need Knife Control.

[candycorn]

In one state they have already done that...legally. Yet, the criminals will still have the guns...just not the law abiding citizens that you would never have to worry about. So what really is your end game?

It will require decades...no doubt. But when sales plunge...manufacturing slows...thus fewer instruments of death are manufactured....fewer to sell after market...fewer to pawn...fewer that get stolen...fewer that get found unsecured by the Adam Lanzas of the world...it will take decades...

You hope You have a pie in the sky view of this....but, we are talking about the here and now, right?
"Saturday Night Specials"

No.

I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means. Look at cigarettes. Usage has dropped consistently as prices have risen due to taxes and programs.

If having guns makes a society safer, we should have almost no violence at all since we have the most liberal gun laws of any country. Right? Instead...we have the highest of any advanced nation ever. Care to explain?

 

[Redfish]

It will require decades...no doubt. But when sales plunge...manufacturing slows...thus fewer instruments of death are manufactured....fewer to sell after market...fewer to pawn...fewer that get stolen...fewer that get found unsecured by the Adam Lanzas of the world...it will take decades...

You hope You have a pie in the sky view of this....but, we are talking about the here and now, right?
"Saturday Night Specials"

No.

I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means. Look at cigarettes. Usage has dropped consistently as prices have risen due to taxes and programs.

If having guns makes a society safer, we should have almost no violence at all since we have the most liberal gun laws of any country. Right? Instead...we have the highest of any advanced nation ever. Care to explain?

In switzerland every home is required to have a gun and they have a tiny crime rate. Our crime rate has nothing to do with gun ownership. our crime rate comes from several things, 1. cultural decline 2. liberals letting criminals walk 3. generational welfare 4. laws not being enforced 5. Drugs 6. high unemployment 7. no dicipline allowed in schools.

In short, our crime rate is the direct result of years of liberal policies.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Five stabbed in Houston mass stabbing. Knives are to easily acquired by mentally ill. We need a system of expanded background checks, and sever limitations on who can and can not sell them. This is by far the most prolific weapon used to inflict harm on the innocent. Something must be done.

The UK has the highest incidence of knife crime in the civilised world. Despite the fact that IDs are required to buy knives, and that it is illegal to sell knives to anyone under 18, stores routinely ignore the law and readily sell knives to knife molls. The US needs to get ahead of this and ban all knives outright before it becomes an epidemic.

Yes, that was satire. Like all satire, it is based on truth.

Sun investigation girl buys knives, swords and machetes | The Sun |News

 

[Meister]

It will require decades...no doubt. But when sales plunge...manufacturing slows...thus fewer instruments of death are manufactured....fewer to sell after market...fewer to pawn...fewer that get stolen...fewer that get found unsecured by the Adam Lanzas of the world...it will take decades...

You hope You have a pie in the sky view of this....but, we are talking about the here and now, right?
"Saturday Night Specials"

No.

I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means. Look at cigarettes. Usage has dropped consistently as prices have risen due to taxes and programs.

If having guns makes a society safer, we should have almost no violence at all since we have the most liberal gun laws of any country. Right? Instead...we have the highest of any advanced nation ever. Care to explain?

Your premise is flawed. You're implementing a law against the very people you don't have to worry about. That law would mean nothing to the criminals, just as the laws don't mean anything to them now.
The areas where they have a "right to carry", the crime is down.
The areas where guns are illegal, the crimes are up (Chicago)
People who want to break the laws can find a gun easily.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It will require decades...no doubt. But when sales plunge...manufacturing slows...thus fewer instruments of death are manufactured....fewer to sell after market...fewer to pawn...fewer that get stolen...fewer that get found unsecured by the Adam Lanzas of the world...it will take decades...

You hope You have a pie in the sky view of this....but, we are talking about the here and now, right?
"Saturday Night Specials"

No.
I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means.

Tell us what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of the right to own property.
Tell us what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of right of the media to report the news.
Tell us what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of right to go to church.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Five stabbed in Houston mass stabbing. Knives are to easily acquired by mentally ill. We need a system of expanded background checks, and sever limitations on who can and can not sell them. This is by far the most prolific weapon used to inflict harm on the innocent. Something must be done.

He proved gun control would work. None died in his attack. If he had a gun, the outcome would have been more like Newtown, a massacre enabled by the GOP/NRA.

Can you prove that? Maybe he is a really bad shot, and he wouldn't have killed anyone. Two LAPD officers can fire more than 40 rounds into the cab of a Nissan pickup and only hit one of the women in that truck in the arm once. Maybe shooting a gun is a lot harder than you think it is.

 

[paulitician]

'Control' is the key word. It's all about control. We are on the road to Totalitarianism. Make no mistake about that. It's the NWO.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, moron, you just take that knife, and I'll take my single shot 12 gauge, and we will call it an even fight, right?

This kind of bullshit is why I hold so many of the 'Conservatives" on this board in utter contempt. The potential for great harm that such a weapon as a Bushmaster .223 represents is many magnitudes of order greater than that of a knife.

Roxanne, the point of this is that guns can kill, knives can kill, so we should have regulations on both right????? I mean, these feel good bills that you libs want should not stop with just guns and rifles.......end of the day they will have no impact on what your trying to achieve other than the government coming down on the innocent citizens

Notice how none will point out ONE item in the bill that will do one thing to prevent any of the events that transpired at Newtown. ? Its also disturbing that the self proclaimed lefties are ok with people killing with knives. Wonder if its because they are excons or something.

What one thing would have prevented Newtown? Please, enlighten us so I can freely mock you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Five stabbed in Houston mass stabbing. Knives are to easily acquired by mentally ill. We need a system of expanded background checks, and sever limitations on who can and can not sell them. This is by far the most prolific weapon used to inflict harm on the innocent. Something must be done.

Houston mass stabbing: 14 people INJURED

Sandy Hook mass shooting: 26 people DEAD

There isn't any correlation. A knife is nowhere near as dangerous as a gun.

That explains why no one was ever killed before we invented gunpowder.

By the way, if a knife is not dangerous why is it legal for police to kill people who have knives? Shouldn't they treat them just like they would if they were holding a banana?

 

[Redfish]

Five stabbed in Houston mass stabbing. Knives are to easily acquired by mentally ill. We need a system of expanded background checks, and sever limitations on who can and can not sell them. This is by far the most prolific weapon used to inflict harm on the innocent. Something must be done.

Houston mass stabbing: 14 people INJURED

Sandy Hook mass shooting: 26 people DEAD

There isn't any correlation. A knife is nowhere near as dangerous as a gun.

That explains why no one was ever killed before we invented gunpowder.

right, what kind of gun did Brutus use on Caesar? was it an AK or an Uzi?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We Need Knife Control.

But we already have that.
The last cruise I went on, I had to go through a TSA boarding inspection before boarding the ship in Miami. I forgot I had a very small and very dull pocket knife on my keychain.
Of course, TSA noticed it and said I had to trash it. Honestly this knife might have been able to cut butter if I had heated the blade before hand. Anyway I surrendered the knife,
and was then told I could go aboard. Before I left, I told the idiot TSA agent that tonight's dinner on the ship was going to be the Steak and Lobster feast. At that dinner, they would give me a big steak knife to go with my dinner, so why did they feel compelled to take my little knife? Stupid laws made by paranoid people.

You should have told them to get fucked, they have no authority to search you outside an airport, and there are no laws or regulations that say you cannot bring pocket knives on a cruise.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No, the Dems are the party of "stupid" and its because of people like you.

Who do you blame Grumps. The GOP is the party of stupid and threads like this one are the reason why.

Well I am not a democrat in the first place. In the second place the dems have won 5 of the last 6 popular votes. Let me guess...the GOP is right but everyone else has been wrong for the last 36 years?

5 of the last 6? Where? Timbuktu?

 

[earlycuyler]

Roxanne, the point of this is that guns can kill, knives can kill, so we should have regulations on both right????? I mean, these feel good bills that you libs want should not stop with just guns and rifles.......end of the day they will have no impact on what your trying to achieve other than the government coming down on the innocent citizens

Notice how none will point out ONE item in the bill that will do one thing to prevent any of the events that transpired at Newtown. ? Its also disturbing that the self proclaimed lefties are ok with people killing with knives. Wonder if its because they are excons or something.

What one thing would have prevented Newtown? Please, enlighten us so I can freely mock you.

They wont, and they cant. Their point is that if anything other then a gun is used that it does not count, and that we as a nation dont have any problems where the mentally ill come in. Going back in time to when the crime bill was in effect, which is basically what they are trying to pass again, they can not site one instance where it prevented a mass shooting.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yet, you are alive and able to tell us about it. Would it be better if you were shot in the face and killed?

The fact that you think the two are equal is simply amazing.

I am alive, And I do talk about it. It does not change the fact that a yellow piece of paper did not one thing to prevent it. Not one, and in thees two cases everything is the same. A determined attacker meant to harm and kill as many people as he could. The only thing different is he did not have a guy. Again, the issue is not what he used, the issue is why did he do it ? why are they all doing it ? Banning this, that or the other thing wont help. We need to figure out how to deal with broken people. Until we do, you will continue to see thees incidence.

But the issue IS what is used in these attacks. There will always be mental illness. While we do need to treat the people, you can't live under the assumption that mental illness can be eradicated. What we can do, which has been done in countless other countries, is prevent the mentally ill from being able to so easily obtain weapons that are highly efficient at killing. People will continue to do bad things, but the damage that they do can be controlled by limiting what types of devices and weapons they have at their disposal.

Denying this is exposing your ignorance and selfishness.

First off, lets get rid of the idea that guns are highly efficient at anything other than propelling a projectile. That is what they are designed to do, and that is what defines them legally, which is why a starter pistol, which can only fire blanks, is still a gun under the law.

Second, we need to get rid of the alternative argument that guns make it easier to kill, they don't. It is no easier to kill people with a gun than it is with a cough drop. Both of them can kill, and both of them can help. The only real difference between them is that you have an irrational fear of guns.

As for crazy people, feel free to figure out a way to tell me who will go off and kill people and we can then talk about. Not who might, but who will. Once you do that we can consider the problem wither their right to live their own life free from your arrogance is outweighed by my need to be afraid of the possibility that they might kill me.

What was that about ignorance and selfishness?

 

[earlycuyler]

Five stabbed in Houston mass stabbing. Knives are to easily acquired by mentally ill. We need a system of expanded background checks, and sever limitations on who can and can not sell them. This is by far the most prolific weapon used to inflict harm on the innocent. Something must be done.

The UK has the highest incidence of knife crime in the civilised world. Despite the fact that IDs are required to buy knives, and that it is illegal to sell knives to anyone under 18, stores routinely ignore the law and readily sell knives to knife molls. The US needs to get ahead of this and ban all knives outright before it becomes an epidemic.

Yes, that was satire. Like all satire, it is based on truth.

Sun investigation girl buys knives, swords and machetes | The Sun |News

But remember, RDD and CC say stabbings dont count. Only shootings should count.

 

[earlycuyler]

As for crazy people, feel free to figure out a way to tell me who will go off and kill people and we can then talk about. Not who might, but who will

And there in lies the rub.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's actually funny watching you twist when you are thoroughly defeated.

Not twisting at all dude. Fact is no matter what kind of bills that you would have passed would not have prevented the last two mass murders. You can't deny that, but you want to pass something....anything, just because it would make you feel good.
That is as stupid as it can get...yet there you are

LOL, you can't even read. Can you? I already said the bills we have or proposed are not strict enough.

You're beyond pathetic at this point. But I expect that at this point from any of you over the hill, washed up has-beens who are out of touch with the country and the world.

When your generation finally dies off I have hopes that our country can finally join the 21st century.

You don't want to join the 21st century, you want to hide from it. The 21st century has fully automatic weapons, the 19th century had fully automatic weapons. You want to takes us back to the Bronze Age, and pretend that the Roman Empire protects its citizens from robbers. Guess, what, even back then the rich people had body guards, and the poor people were killed because the rich people didn't want them to have weapons.

 

[candycorn]

You hope You have a pie in the sky view of this....but, we are talking about the here and now, right?
"Saturday Night Specials"

No.

I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means. Look at cigarettes. Usage has dropped consistently as prices have risen due to taxes and programs.

If having guns makes a society safer, we should have almost no violence at all since we have the most liberal gun laws of any country. Right? Instead...we have the highest of any advanced nation ever. Care to explain?

In switzerland every home is required to have a gun and they have a tiny crime rate. Our crime rate has nothing to do with gun ownership. our crime rate comes from several things, 1. cultural decline 2. liberals letting criminals walk 3. generational welfare 4. laws not being enforced 5. Drugs 6. high unemployment 7. no dicipline allowed in schools.

In short, our crime rate is the direct result of years of liberal policies.

And with an exception of 4 years tween 76-80, the GOP controlled the white house....perhaps there is blame on both sides. Hows 1-7 apply to Adam Lanza?

As for the Swiss, what gun model are they required to have?

 

[candycorn]

You hope You have a pie in the sky view of this....but, we are talking about the here and now, right?
"Saturday Night Specials"

No.

I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means. Look at cigarettes. Usage has dropped consistently as prices have risen due to taxes and programs.

If having guns makes a society safer, we should have almost no violence at all since we have the most liberal gun laws of any country. Right? Instead...we have the highest of any advanced nation ever. Care to explain?

Your premise is flawed. You're implementing a law against the very people you don't have to worry about. That law would mean nothing to the criminals, just as the laws don't mean anything to them now.
The areas where they have a "right to carry", the crime is down.
The areas where guns are illegal, the crimes are up (Chicago)
People who want to break the laws can find a gun easily.

Nobody worried about Ryan's mom either.

As for finding a gun easily...youve endorsed my plan. Dry up the supply and criminals will have a harder time

 

[Quantum Windbag]

LOL, you can't even read. Can you? I already said the bills we have or proposed are not strict enough.

You're beyond pathetic at this point. But I expect that at this point from any of you over the hill, washed up has-beens who are out of touch with the country and the world.

When your generation finally dies off I have hopes that our country can finally join the 21st century.

Sounds more like you want to change our country to socialism or communism and in order to do that you have to get rid of the guns completely. Why didn't you just say that in the beginning?
It isn't about the killing of children, it's about getting rid of the second amendment.

You won't be seeing anything like that in your lifetime sonny. So you need to deal with the "what is"...or move. Personally, I would like you just to move where you could feel warm and fuzzy in that utopia world of yours.

LOL, there it is. Yes, every other country in the world who has figured out gun control must be socialist, or communist. Fuck, you literally announce your stupidity with each post.

It's not even fair at this point having this argument with you when you are so clearly in over your head and have literally no clue what you're talking about.

Every other country in the world has figured out gun control? Are you trying to tell me that the United States is the only country in the world where people use guns illegally?