We Need Knife Control.

[earlycuyler]

You found an example from 50 years ago and somehow think this proves YOUR point? HAhahahahah. It only reinforces what I have been saying all along. There will always be crazy people and criminals everywhere. But the acts that they commit can be much deadlier in a country that allows easy access to firearms as we do. We have mass killings seemingly every other week in this country, like no other 1st world country has.

The fact that your "go to argument" was a massacre from 50 years ago only reinforces my point. Thanks rube.

What gun laws do you want? Be specific and I'm sure it would be in the context withthe second amendment.
You still haven't addressed the fact that the last two mass murder stole their weapons and no matter what laws were in place for the mentally ill it wouldn't have stopped what they did.

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

Nerp. You remove guns from the hands of average people and make it so affluent folks like Adam Lanzas mom are the only ones who can afford them, and then create a black market that will make otherwise law abiding citizens criminals.

 

[Meister]

But the issue IS what is used in these attacks. There will always be mental illness. While we do need to treat the people, you can't live under the assumption that mental illness can be eradicated. What we can do, which has been done in countless other countries, is prevent the mentally ill from being able to so easily obtain weapons that are highly efficient at killing. People will continue to do bad things, but the damage that they do can be controlled by limiting what types of devices and weapons they have at their disposal. Denying this is exposing your ignorance and selfishness.

Speaking of ignorance
What is to stop them from just stealing a weapon? How many times have I brought that up and you just ignore that little bit of info?
It seems you shoe size has a larger number than your IQ.

Are there no criminals/mentally ill in Japan?
Are there no criminals/mentally ill in Canada?
Are there no criminals/mentally ill in Australia?

Of course there are, but somehow they can't get their hands on guns with the ease that our mentally ill can get them here. Why is that?

I'll wait for your insightful response of ...."I don't care what other communist countries are doing, I live in 'Murica!"

This is the kind of bills you're in favor of:

It’s not hard to figure out: Japan stringently suppresses gun ownership. Even compared to the United Kingdom, whose gun controls are the most repressive of any major country in Western Europe, Japan is extreme. No rifles. No handguns. Shotguns and air guns are allowed only under a licensing system that is designed to discourage everyone but the most highly motivated from applying for a license.
To get a license in Japan, you have to pass a psychological exam and run the gauntlet of a paperwork process made to be inconvenient. Once you get a license, you better be able to account for every round of ammunition you ever shot at target practice or while hunting.

Read more: Why Japan is so safe from guns* - NY Daily News
They may not be a socialist nation....but that government is quite the ............ in regards to firearms. I don't know how our government would stop the black market sales for the criminals.

Canada is a socialist capitalist nation
In addition, Canada has special laws against the use of non-hunting firearms. Individuals are granted permission to use such arms only when the individual has genuine needs for restricted firearms or prohibited handguns that include a need to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals.

Again, nothing would stop black market sales for the criminals.

Australia?

Cullin-La-Ringo massacre - Horatio Wills and his traveling party were killed by Aborigines at Cullin-La-Ringo Station in Queensland in 1860; police, native police and civilians killed 60 to 70 Aborigines in response.
George David Silva murdered six members of the Ching family at Alligator Creek near Mackay, Queensland in 1911.
Coniston massacre - Over 50 Aboriginal people were killed in the last Aboriginal massacre in 1928. The motive was revenge for the killing of dingo hunter Frederick Brooks.
Clifford Bartholomew massacre - A man shot dead ten members of his family in Hope Forest near Adelaide, September 1971.
22 September 1976 - William Robert Wilson - Killed two people and wounded four on Boundary Street, Spring Hill, Brisbane. Wilson took a .22 calibre rifle and 500 rounds of ammunition to Boundary Street around 12.30 pm and began shooting randomly. He shot and killed Monika Schleus, aged 17, as she crossed Boundary Street. Wilson shot and wounded Donald William Hepburn Galloway, who was also crossing the street. Proceeding to a milk bar, Wilson shot and killed Marianne Kalatzis, aged 18, and wounded Mavis Ethel Sanders and Virginia Hollidge. In the neighbouring shop he shot and wounded Quinto Alberti. Wilson was captured by police around 4:15 pm at a suburban house where Wilson was holding a man and four young women hostage. Wilson served three years in a mental hospital. On being found fit for trial, he was sentenced in 1980 to two life sentences for the murders and 10 years each, concurrently, for the four attempted murders. He pleaded guilty to all charges.[2]
Milperra massacre - Two biker gangs, the Comanchero and the Bandidos, engaged in a shoot-out in a hotel car park, killing 7 people in 1984, including a bystander. Only one defendant was acquitted on the murder charges.
Joseph Schwab - 1987, Schwab shot dead 5 people in and around the Kimberley region in Western Australia before being shot dead by police.[3]
Hoddle Street massacre - Armed with two rifles and a shotgun, Julian Knight shot 7 people dead and wounded another 19 in 1987 before surrendering to authorities.
Queen Street massacre - Armed with a sawn-off rifle, Frank Vitkovic roamed the Australia Post building killing 8 and wounding 5, also in 1987. When the weapon was finally wrestled from him, he committed suicide by jumping out of a nearby window.
Surry Hills massacre - Paul Anthony Evers killed 5 people with a 12-gauge shotgun at a public housing precinct in Surry Hills in 1990 before surrendering to police.[4]
Strathfield massacre - In 1991 Wade Frankum killed 7 people and wounded 6 others with a large knife and an SKS before turning the gun on himself when he realised he could not escape.
Central Coast Massacre - Malcolm Baker killed 6 people and injured another with a shotgun in 1992 before being arrested by police.
Port Arthur massacre - In 1996, armed with two semi-automatic rifles, Martin Bryant killed 35 people around Port Arthur and wounded 21 before being caught by police the next day following an overnight siege.
Childers Palace Fire - In June 2000, drifter and con-artist Robert Long started a fire at the Childers Palace backpackers hostel that killed 15 people.
Monash University shooting - In October 2002, Huan Yun Xiang, a student, shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five.
Australian mass murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[M14 Shooter]

You found an example from 50 years ago and somehow think this proves YOUR point? HAhahahahah. It only reinforces what I have been saying all along. There will always be crazy people and criminals everywhere. But the acts that they commit can be much deadlier in a country that allows easy access to firearms as we do. We have mass killings seemingly every other week in this country, like no other 1st world country has.

The fact that your "go to argument" was a massacre from 50 years ago only reinforces my point. Thanks rube.

What gun laws do you want? Be specific and I'm sure it would be in the context withthe second amendment.
You still haven't addressed the fact that the last two mass murder stole their weapons and no matter what laws were in place for the mentally ill it wouldn't have stopped what they did.

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

Taxing people as a means to restrict the exercise of their rights is -never- constitutional.

 

[Meister]

You found an example from 50 years ago and somehow think this proves YOUR point? HAhahahahah. It only reinforces what I have been saying all along. There will always be crazy people and criminals everywhere. But the acts that they commit can be much deadlier in a country that allows easy access to firearms as we do. We have mass killings seemingly every other week in this country, like no other 1st world country has.

The fact that your "go to argument" was a massacre from 50 years ago only reinforces my point. Thanks rube.

What gun laws do you want? Be specific and I'm sure it would be in the context withthe second amendment.
You still haven't addressed the fact that the last two mass murder stole their weapons and no matter what laws were in place for the mentally ill it wouldn't have stopped what they did.

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

In one state they have already done that...legally. Yet, the criminals will still have the guns...just not the law abiding citizens that you would never have to worry about. So what really is your end game?

 

[candycorn]

What gun laws do you want? Be specific and I'm sure it would be in the context withthe second amendment.
You still haven't addressed the fact that the last two mass murder stole their weapons and no matter what laws were in place for the mentally ill it wouldn't have stopped what they did.

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

Taxing people as a means to restrict the exercise of their rights is -never- constitutional.

Re: Cigarettes

 

[Redfish]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

 

[earlycuyler]

But the issue IS what is used in these attacks. There will always be mental illness. While we do need to treat the people, you can't live under the assumption that mental illness can be eradicated. What we can do, which has been done in countless other countries, is prevent the mentally ill from being able to so easily obtain weapons that are highly efficient at killing. People will continue to do bad things, but the damage that they do can be controlled by limiting what types of devices and weapons they have at their disposal.

Denying this is exposing your ignorance and selfishness.

Fail. I live under no illusions. Mental illness will never be eradicated. I also know that if the impossible was accomplished, and ALLLLL guns from the single shot handy rifle to the AK-47were scooped up and melted down that

1. gangsters and thugs would get them from Mexico,
2. that loons like Lanza would just spend time on the inter webs learning new and interesting ways to kill mass amounts of people much like this fellow here-

Cologne school massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On June 11, 1964, shortly after 9 o'clock, Seifert approached the schoolyard of the Catholic elementary school located at Volkhovener Weg 209-211, armed with a self-made flamethrower, lance and mace. The school consisted of one main building and four wooden barracks, each housing two classes with a total of eight teachers and 380 students.

But according to you, this type of thing is acceptable because he did not use a gun, but instead turned a piss pump into a flame thrower, and packed a spear as back up and only eight kids burnt to death. Mass shootings are rare, and in all cases, were inevitable. Had guns been 100% banned, then the perps would have found another way. You, like the other side of this argument are dazzled by all the purty lights, so much so that you miss the point which is, how do you stop crazy people from killing other people be it with a knife, gun, car, sarin gas, flame throwers, lawn mowers or what ever.

You found an example from 50 years ago and somehow think this proves YOUR point? HAhahahahah. It only reinforces what I have been saying all along. There will always be crazy people and criminals everywhere. But the acts that they commit can be much deadlier in a country that allows easy access to firearms as we do. We have mass killings seemingly every other week in this country, like no other 1st world country has.

The fact that your "go to argument" was a massacre from 50 years ago only reinforces my point. Thanks rube.

Fail, moved on to telling lies. You are indeed a light weight.

 

[candycorn]

What gun laws do you want? Be specific and I'm sure it would be in the context withthe second amendment.
You still haven't addressed the fact that the last two mass murder stole their weapons and no matter what laws were in place for the mentally ill it wouldn't have stopped what they did.

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

In one state they have already done that...legally. Yet, the criminals will still have the guns...just not the law abiding citizens that you would never have to worry about. So what really is your end game?

It will require decades...no doubt. But when sales plunge...manufacturing slows...thus fewer instruments of death are manufactured....fewer to sell after market...fewer to pawn...fewer that get stolen...fewer that get found unsecured by the Adam Lanzas of the world...it will take decades...

 

[earlycuyler]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

RDD and candycorn want everyone to be limited to thees-

Next up on the ban list-

 

[earlycuyler]

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

In one state they have already done that...legally. Yet, the criminals will still have the guns...just not the law abiding citizens that you would never have to worry about. So what really is your end game?

It will require decades...no doubt. But when sales plunge...manufacturing slows...thus fewer instruments of death are manufactured....fewer to sell after market...fewer to pawn...fewer that get stolen...fewer that get found unsecured by the Adam Lanzas of the world...it will take decades...

Proof ? And all who die in those decades are acceptable losses to twerps like you, as long as it gets done.

 

[candycorn]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

Party of stupid...give em a platform and watch em go

 

[Meister]

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

In one state they have already done that...legally. Yet, the criminals will still have the guns...just not the law abiding citizens that you would never have to worry about. So what really is your end game?

It will require decades...no doubt. But when sales plunge...manufacturing slows...thus fewer instruments of death are manufactured....fewer to sell after market...fewer to pawn...fewer that get stolen...fewer that get found unsecured by the Adam Lanzas of the world...it will take decades...

You hope You have a pie in the sky view of this....but, we are talking about the here and now, right?
"Saturday Night Specials"

 

[Redfish]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

Party of stupid...give em a platform and watch em go

sorry if you are too ignorant to understand sarcasm. must be that defective liberal gene.

 

[Redfish]

which of you liberals would be comfortable if only criminals and the government had guns?

because that is exactly what your left wing president and his cronies are moving toward.

 

[Meister]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

Party of stupid...give em a platform and watch em go

Party of stupid would be the party that is trying to legislate bills that would have no impact whatsoever in dealing with the mass murders that we have had.
They are looking for a platform to look like they are doing something....anything, but they know it's not accomplishing anything, yet there they are.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What you do is tax the sale and force the cost upward...eventually the supply dries up and there are fewer guns in circulation. Perfectly constitutional.

Taxing people as a means to restrict the exercise of their rights is -never- constitutional.

Re: Cigarettes

Tell me what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of the right of a woman to have an abortion.

 

[earlycuyler]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

Party of stupid...give em a platform and watch em go

sorry if you are too ignorant to understand sarcasm. must be that defective liberal gene.

They cant help it. They were borne that way. Bright lights always occupy the retards.

 

[Meister]

Taxing people as a means to restrict the exercise of their rights is -never- constitutional.

Re: Cigarettes

Tell me what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of the right of a woman to have an abortion.

Hmmmm, excellent point

 

[M14 Shooter]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

Party of stupid...give em a platform and watch em go

Party of the stupid... that wants to enact laws designed to prevent people from breaking the law.

 

[earlycuyler]

All knives should be immediately banned. Knives kill people. if you want to cut your food, do it with a fork--------Uhhhh, but people have been killed with forks too---------ban forks! eat with your hands or leave this country, NOW!

Party of stupid...give em a platform and watch em go

Party of stupid would be the party that is trying to legislate bills that would have no impact whatsoever in dealing with the mass murders that we have had.
They are looking for a platform to look like they are doing something....anything, but they know it's not accomplishing anything, yet there they are.

Really, thats a problem on both sides.