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We Need Knife Control.

No.

I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means. Look at cigarettes. Usage has dropped consistently as prices have risen due to taxes and programs.

If having guns makes a society safer, we should have almost no violence at all since we have the most liberal gun laws of any country. Right? Instead...we have the highest of any advanced nation ever. Care to explain?

Your premise is flawed. You're implementing a law against the very people you don't have to worry about. That law would mean nothing to the criminals, just as the laws don't mean anything to them now.
The areas where they have a "right to carry", the crime is down.
The areas where guns are illegal, the crimes are up (Chicago)
People who want to break the laws can find a gun easily.

Nobody worried about Ryan's mom either.

As for finding a gun easily...youve endorsed my plan. Dry up the supply and criminals will have a harder time

I haven't endorsed your plan. Limit the guns and you'll create a larger black market for the guns.
Look at the weed when it was illegal....not hard to find at all because of the black market, this would be the same for guns, Candy.
PS...look at prohibition
 
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A tax designed to restrict the exercise of a right is perfectly constitutional?

Tell us what you'd think of the constitutionality of:
A tax designed to restrict the exercise of the right of a woman to have an abortion.
A tax designed to restrict the exercise of the right to own property.
A tax designed to restrict the exercise of right of the media to report the news.
A tax designed to restrict the exercise of right to go to church.

I doubt you'll find many jurists who agree but it worked with cigs...feel free to file suit with your nutty premise.
I accept your concession of the point.
:clap2:

Ahh. surrender...you're so good at it too (lotsa practice obviously)
 
I doubt you'll find many jurists who agree but it worked with cigs...feel free to file suit with your nutty premise.
I accept your concession of the point.
:clap2:
Ahh. surrender...
Yes, that's exactly what you did - surrender the point.

Fact remains that taxing the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms with the intent to restrict said exercise violates the constitution every bit as much as so taxing the exercise of the right to an abortion.

You and I both know it is impossible for you to soundly argue otherwise, as evidenced by the fact that you will not even try to do so.

You may now prove me to be correct.
 
Your premise is flawed. You're implementing a law against the very people you don't have to worry about. That law would mean nothing to the criminals, just as the laws don't mean anything to them now.
The areas where they have a "right to carry", the crime is down.
The areas where guns are illegal, the crimes are up (Chicago)
People who want to break the laws can find a gun easily.

Nobody worried about Ryan's mom either.

As for finding a gun easily...youve endorsed my plan. Dry up the supply and criminals will have a harder time

I haven't endorsed your plan. Limit the guns and you'll create a larger black market for the guns.
Look at the weed when it was illegal....not hard to find at all because of the black market, this would be the same for guns, Candy.
PS...look at prohibition

Different items...

Metal goods are mulch harder to make..make well is much harder. Harder to bring into the country, harder to conceal, etc...

Black market also means extra expense which fits right in.

Are you telling me that a guy with 5 guns with no malicious intent will go rogue to get a sixth? Unlikely.
 
No.

I'm talking about a plan to reduce gun violence through proven and tested means. Look at cigarettes. Usage has dropped consistently as prices have risen due to taxes and programs.

If having guns makes a society safer, we should have almost no violence at all since we have the most liberal gun laws of any country. Right? Instead...we have the highest of any advanced nation ever. Care to explain?

Not true. When New York increased the taxes on cigarettes it did produce a massive drop in cigarette sales, but that is because people were buying their cigarettes from places they did not have to pay the tax.
Make it a federal tax...easy. Call it the mayhem tax
Make a federal tax on abotion.
Call it the convenience tax.
Use it to support foster kids/orphans.
 
I am alive, And I do talk about it. It does not change the fact that a yellow piece of paper did not one thing to prevent it. Not one, and in thees two cases everything is the same. A determined attacker meant to harm and kill as many people as he could. The only thing different is he did not have a guy. Again, the issue is not what he used, the issue is why did he do it ? why are they all doing it ? Banning this, that or the other thing wont help. We need to figure out how to deal with broken people. Until we do, you will continue to see thees incidence.

But the issue IS what is used in these attacks. There will always be mental illness. While we do need to treat the people, you can't live under the assumption that mental illness can be eradicated. What we can do, which has been done in countless other countries, is prevent the mentally ill from being able to so easily obtain weapons that are highly efficient at killing. People will continue to do bad things, but the damage that they do can be controlled by limiting what types of devices and weapons they have at their disposal.

Denying this is exposing your ignorance and selfishness.

First off, lets get rid of the idea that guns are highly efficient at anything other than propelling a projectile. That is what they are designed to do, and that is what defines them legally, which is why a starter pistol, which can only fire blanks, is still a gun under the law.

Second, we need to get rid of the alternative argument that guns make it easier to kill, they don't. It is no easier to kill people with a gun than it is with a cough drop. Both of them can kill, and both of them can help. The only real difference between them is that you have an irrational fear of guns.

As for crazy people, feel free to figure out a way to tell me who will go off and kill people and we can then talk about. Not who might, but who will. Once you do that we can consider the problem wither their right to live their own life free from your arrogance is outweighed by my need to be afraid of the possibility that they might kill me.

What was that about ignorance and selfishness?

Bwhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Simply amazing.

Show me one person who was ever murdered with a cough drop.......bahahahahahahahaahah.

If cough drops were an effective method of killing someone, why aren't people using them to commit their crimes.

"Give me your money or I'm going to make you suck on this cough drop" - are words never uttered in the history of mankind.

Are you fucking serious? YOU ARE!!!

That's the best part of all of this.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH!!

Holy shit I'm actually tearing up from laughter.
 
I accept your concession of the point.
:clap2:
Ahh. surrender...
Yes, that's exactly what you did - surrender the point.

Fact remains that taxing the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms with the intent to restrict said exercise violates the constitution every bit as much as so taxing the exercise of the right to an abortion.

You and I both know it is impossible for you to soundly argue otherwise, as evidenced by the fact that you will not even try to do so.

You may now prove me to be correct.

Evidence proves otherwise (cigs). Sorry...you lose as always Shirley
 
Five stabbed in Houston mass stabbing. Knives are to easily acquired by mentally ill. We need a system of expanded background checks, and sever limitations on who can and can not sell them. This is by far the most prolific weapon used to inflict harm on the innocent. Something must be done.

Houston mass stabbing: 14 people INJURED

Sandy Hook mass shooting: 26 people DEAD

There isn't any correlation. A knife is nowhere near as dangerous as a gun.

Imagine if stabber used semi-auto or automatic knife...
 
Nobody worried about Ryan's mom either.

As for finding a gun easily...youve endorsed my plan. Dry up the supply and criminals will have a harder time

I haven't endorsed your plan. Limit the guns and you'll create a larger black market for the guns.
Look at the weed when it was illegal....not hard to find at all because of the black market, this would be the same for guns, Candy.
PS...look at prohibition

Different items...

Metal goods are mulch harder to make..make well is much harder. Harder to bring into the country, harder to conceal, etc...

Black market also means extra expense which fits right in.

Are you telling me that a guy with 5 guns with no malicious intent will go rogue to get a sixth? Unlikely.

I'm telling you that your premise is flawed, Candy, and it is.
Again, you are restricting the gun rights of the innocent citizens and that would have no impact with the criminals. That is where the rubber meets the road.
 
Ahh. surrender...
Yes, that's exactly what you did - surrender the point.

Fact remains that taxing the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms with the intent to restrict said exercise violates the constitution every bit as much as so taxing the exercise of the right to an abortion.

You and I both know it is impossible for you to soundly argue otherwise, as evidenced by the fact that you will not even try to do so.

You may now prove me to be correct.
Evidence proves otherwise (cigs). Sorry...you lose as always Shirley
Thank you for proving me to be correct, in that you know you cannot soundly argue against my point.
Please continue to do so at your lesiure.
:clap2:
 
Not true. When New York increased the taxes on cigarettes it did produce a massive drop in cigarette sales, but that is because people were buying their cigarettes from places they did not have to pay the tax.
Make it a federal tax...easy. Call it the mayhem tax
Make a federal tax on abotion.
Call it the convenience tax.
Use it to support foster kids/orphans.

Hey...propose that...apparently Romney losing didnt teach you a lesson #bindersfullofwomen
 
In my fit of laughter, I actually tried to give Windbag positive rep for his cough drop comment but I think I gave it to Earl instead. I can't even believe how amazing that statement was.
 
Tell us what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of the right to own property.
Tell us what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of right of the media to report the news.
Tell us what you'd think of a tax designed to restrict the exercise of right to go to church.
:lol:

Taxes to limit the supply of things that kill..no problem there. Its what weve done with cigs and we are saving lives.

No reason we can not do that with guns.

So you WOULD be good with taxing the hell out of abortions. Hmmmm....

Governments tax and credit behaviors to influence desired outcomes. If the conservatives wish to alienate women forever...go for it.
 
Make it a federal tax...easy. Call it the mayhem tax
Make a federal tax on abotion.
Call it the convenience tax.
Use it to support foster kids/orphans.

Hey...propose that...apparently Romney losing didnt teach you a lesson #bindersfullofwomen

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Taxes to limit the supply of things that kill..no problem there. Its what weve done with cigs and we are saving lives.

No reason we can not do that with guns.

So you WOULD be good with taxing the hell out of abortions. Hmmmm....

Governments tax and credit behaviors to influence desired outcomes. If the conservatives wish to alienate women forever...go for it.
Good to see you agree that such a tax would not violate the constitution.
 
It doesn't sound like the right is very concerned about the people that were hurt in this knife attack. Actually you all sound happy about it. Just more proof as to why not everybody should own a gun.
 
It doesn't sound like the right is very concerned about the people that were hurt in this knife attack. Actually you all sound happy about it. Just more proof as to why not everybody should own a gun.

Actually, Rinata, the left was downplaying the stabbings in Tx. The right was concerned about the stabbings.....the left not so much because nobody died.
 

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