CDZ "West World" Technology Introduces Real Moral and Economic Dilemnas

[JimBowie1958]

The TV series West World is not that far from becoming a reality, friends. Strong AI is already emulating human emotions and reading human faces, though it still needs some work. With the exponential speed of technological development, we will have ":West World" type robots available probably by 2030. The whole point to the movie "Blade Runner" was that the manufactured humans in that movie were so close to human that the viewer was expected to sympathize with them by the end of the movie.

If robot "Simulants" become indistinguishable to the naked eye and they have such strong AI that they cannot be easily distinguished by their behavior either, will there be a moral, or legal or economic basis to keeping them as property? At what point do these artificial sentient beings become sentient enough to warrant equal protection under the law and their ownership banned under laws against slavery?

And you know eventually some dope smoking judge will one day rule that they are indeed human, despite the fact that they are not.

What can we do to head off obvious problems that will arrive if we have Simulants for sex slaves, slave labor, and generally free servitude?

 

[Bleipriester]

 

[JimBowie1958]

When Simulants can write and performmusic like this, we can talk about them being "superior", lol.

 

[Bleipriester]

When Simulants can write and performmusic like this, we can talk about them being "superior", lol.

People like Stephen Hawking are already warning of advanced AI.

 

[JimBowie1958]

People like Stephen Hawking are already warning of advanced AI.

Yeah, the Skynet thing, but I am hoping to God that we have more intelligence than to make AI without a kill switch that any human being can flip to off for whatever reason they want.

What I am concerned about is little flakey dope-smoking morons thinking that robots have actual human rights or some other nonsense and then putting real human beings in jail for mistreating their hardware and comparing them to black people in slavery.

 

[Correll]

The TV series West World is not that far from becoming a reality, friends. Strong AI is already emulating human emotions and reading human faces, though it still needs some work. With the exponential speed of technological development, we will have ":West World" type robots available probably by 2030. The whole point to the movie "Blade Runner" was that the manufactured humans in that movie were so close to human that the viewer was expected to sympathize with them by the end of the movie.

If robot "Simulants" become indistinguishable to the naked eye and they have such strong AI that they cannot be easily distinguished by their behavior either, will there be a moral, or legal or economic basis to keeping them as property? At what point do these artificial sentient beings become sentient enough to warrant equal protection under the law and their ownership banned under laws against slavery?

And you know eventually some dope smoking judge will one day rule that they are indeed human, despite the fact that they are not.

What can we do to head off obvious problems that will arrive if we have Simulants for sex slaves, slave labor, and generally free servitude?

If we WANT effectively free labor/servitude, the goal will/should be to get them as capable as possible WITHOUT giving them self awareness or emotions.

If they have that, then though they won't be HUMAN, they might still be a type of PERSON.

If we go that far, we have no one to blame but ourselves when they hire lawyers and sue for Civil Rights.

 

[JimBowie1958]

If we WANT effectively free labor/servitude, the goal will/should be to get them as capable as possible WITHOUT giving them self awareness or emotions.

If they have that, then though they won't be HUMAN, they might still be a type of PERSON.

If we go that far, we have no one to blame but ourselves when they hire lawyers and sue for Civil Rights.

So would you agree that we need to do two things at least;
1. KEEP THEM NOT SENTIENT. That is such a stupid thing for us to do, but I dont see how we can stop it from happening. Some idiot Software engineers would love to do it just to show it can be done, like an enormously complex Rubic's Cube or something.

2. They should be easily visibly NOT human, like purple skin with red eyes or something that looks inhuman so people wont start thinking they are. But again, some engineers will do it just to show it can be done, and the pervs will do it so they can suspend disbelief more easily when they pretend they managed to find another person that would F them.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is a tv show, HUMANS, exploring this very same possibility.

 

[Bleipriester]

People like Stephen Hawking are already warning of advanced AI.

Yeah, the Skynet thing, but I am hoping to God that we have more intelligence than to make AI without a kill switch that any human being can flip to off for whatever reason they want.

What I am concerned about is little flakey dope-smoking morons thinking that robots have actual human rights or some other nonsense and then putting real human beings in jail for mistreating their hardware and comparing them to black people in slavery.

It is always the same degree between proper use and misuse. You can carve your turkey or your neighbor. Both if you like experimental meals.
I question the advantage of human-like robots. Robots have special tasks and are developed just for this tasks. No need to make them "human".

 

[fncceo]

The TV series West World is not that far from becoming a reality, friends. Strong AI is already emulating human emotions and reading human faces, though it still needs some work. With the exponential speed of technological development, we will have ":West World" type robots available probably by 2030. The whole point to the movie "Blade Runner" was that the manufactured humans in that movie were so close to human that the viewer was expected to sympathize with them by the end of the movie.

If robot "Simulants" become indistinguishable to the naked eye and they have such strong AI that they cannot be easily distinguished by their behavior either, will there be a moral, or legal or economic basis to keeping them as property? At what point do these artificial sentient beings become sentient enough to warrant equal protection under the law and their ownership banned under laws against slavery?

And you know eventually some dope smoking judge will one day rule that they are indeed human, despite the fact that they are not.

What can we do to head off obvious problems that will arrive if we have Simulants for sex slaves, slave labor, and generally free servitude?

Reputedly one of Andy Warhol's favourite films.

 

[2aguy]

The TV series West World is not that far from becoming a reality, friends. Strong AI is already emulating human emotions and reading human faces, though it still needs some work. With the exponential speed of technological development, we will have ":West World" type robots available probably by 2030. The whole point to the movie "Blade Runner" was that the manufactured humans in that movie were so close to human that the viewer was expected to sympathize with them by the end of the movie.

If robot "Simulants" become indistinguishable to the naked eye and they have such strong AI that they cannot be easily distinguished by their behavior either, will there be a moral, or legal or economic basis to keeping them as property? At what point do these artificial sentient beings become sentient enough to warrant equal protection under the law and their ownership banned under laws against slavery?

And you know eventually some dope smoking judge will one day rule that they are indeed human, despite the fact that they are not.

What can we do to head off obvious problems that will arrive if we have Simulants for sex slaves, slave labor, and generally free servitude?

They will not be "alive" in the real sense of the word no matter how real they may seem....

 

[2aguy]

If we WANT effectively free labor/servitude, the goal will/should be to get them as capable as possible WITHOUT giving them self awareness or emotions.

If they have that, then though they won't be HUMAN, they might still be a type of PERSON.

If we go that far, we have no one to blame but ourselves when they hire lawyers and sue for Civil Rights.

So would you agree that we need to do two things at least;
1. KEEP THEM NOT SENTIENT. That is such a stupid thing for us to do, but I dont see how we can stop it from happening. Some idiot Software engineers would love to do it just to show it can be done, like an enormously complex Rubic's Cube or something.

2. They should be easily visibly NOT human, like purple skin with red eyes or something that looks inhuman so people wont start thinking they are. But again, some engineers will do it just to show it can be done, and the pervs will do it so they can suspend disbelief more easily when they pretend they managed to find another person that would F them.

I almost forgot this was the clean debate zone....

 

[JimBowie1958]

They will not be "alive" in the real sense of the word no matter how real they may seem....

Yeah, true, but in a society where one can respectably have a "pet" rock, this is not necessarily a done deal, at all, no sireee.

I think Correll had a good point; we have to do something to keep it obvious that these machines are machines and not human or the usual suspects will be demanding equal rights for them.

 

[rdean]

The TV series West World is not that far from becoming a reality, friends. Strong AI is already emulating human emotions and reading human faces, though it still needs some work. With the exponential speed of technological development, we will have ":West World" type robots available probably by 2030. The whole point to the movie "Blade Runner" was that the manufactured humans in that movie were so close to human that the viewer was expected to sympathize with them by the end of the movie.

If robot "Simulants" become indistinguishable to the naked eye and they have such strong AI that they cannot be easily distinguished by their behavior either, will there be a moral, or legal or economic basis to keeping them as property? At what point do these artificial sentient beings become sentient enough to warrant equal protection under the law and their ownership banned under laws against slavery?

And you know eventually some dope smoking judge will one day rule that they are indeed human, despite the fact that they are not.

What can we do to head off obvious problems that will arrive if we have Simulants for sex slaves, slave labor, and generally free servitude?

OK

 

[JimBowie1958]

What can we do to head off obvious problems that will arrive if we have Simulants for sex slaves, slave labor, and generally free servitude?

OK

 

[JimBowie1958]

Wow, didnt even think of this angle, but the sex robot industry is now set to make you a 'clone' of any person you like. Any actress, any private citizen you have a crush on, etc can be made into an exact replica sex doll. Imagine some creep that has a sex doll that looks like one of your family members.

Should that be legal? Could it be stopped?

Sex robot CLONES 'available on order': The kinky dolls that look like REAL-LIFE crushes

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, didnt even think of this angle, but the sex robot industry is now set to make you a 'clone' of any person you like. Any actress, any private citizen you have a crush on, etc can be made into an exact replica sex doll. Imagine some creep that has a sex doll that looks like one of your family members.

Should that be legal? Could it be stopped?

Sex robot CLONES 'available on order': The kinky dolls that look like REAL-LIFE crushes

If woman want to order a Frank sex doll, so be it.

 

[Bleipriester]

Wow, didnt even think of this angle, but the sex robot industry is now set to make you a 'clone' of any person you like. Any actress, any private citizen you have a crush on, etc can be made into an exact replica sex doll. Imagine some creep that has a sex doll that looks like one of your family members.

Should that be legal? Could it be stopped?

Sex robot CLONES 'available on order': The kinky dolls that look like REAL-LIFE crushes

Oh, is that legal? Sounds like sexual voodoo dolls.

 

[FA_Q2]

Really nothing that can be done - technology will move forward and lifelike robots are coming. We will adapt as we always have adapted to previous technology.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Really nothing that can be done - technology will move forward and lifelike robots are coming. We will adapt as we always have adapted to previous technology.

Sometimes that 'adaptation' is pretty damned harsh, like when we adapted to the global ash cloud after the Toba eruption and the human race was nearly brought to extinction.

The goal of most of this sort of discussion is how to minimize human losses and suffering, like the kind of suffering that most of us will experience in a jobless economy with 85% real U6 unemployment.