What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.
 
It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
 
If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.
Protecting their “natural rights” as per John Locke’s “ Social Contract Theory.” They are civil liberties, life, liberty, and property. Nothing to do with socialism.
 
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
Why do you bring up the civil war regarding the founders intent..............
They wrote this a whole lot earlier than the civil war.
 
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
The states created the Republic. We fought a Civil War so wealthy northerners could steal wealth from wealthy southerners. Slavery had nothing to do with it. Lincoln said as much in 1862. Emancipation Proclamation was to get freed slaves into the Union Army.
 
It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Federal powers are also few and defined or enumerated. The remainder are reserved to the states.

You have completly rendered the 9th and 10th Amendments meaningless.

Skippy.

.
 
Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
Why do you bring up the civil war regarding the founders intent..............
They wrote this a whole lot earlier than the civil war.
Because he is a liberal and they inject race into everything.
 
Certainly not sustainable if you don't have a job.
it is natural for capitalism to have a rate of unemployment.
No, however; it is natural for any society to have its share of malcontents and layabouts. The chronic unemployed is not a function of capitalism, but of a permissive society.
Yes, it is. Nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.
Well, no one takes you seriously, that is a given.
the right wing doesn't. they are full of fallacy.
You don't even know what a fallacy is. When you are losing an argument, you and your ilk resort to this kind of deflection.
 
it is natural for capitalism to have a rate of unemployment.
No, however; it is natural for any society to have its share of malcontents and layabouts. The chronic unemployed is not a function of capitalism, but of a permissive society.
Yes, it is. Nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.
Well, no one takes you seriously, that is a given.
the right wing doesn't. they are full of fallacy.
You don't even know what a fallacy is. When you are losing an argument, you and your ilk resort to this kind of deflection.
Liberal men know about phallic symbols are. Gets em all worked up.
 
Well, no one takes you seriously, that is a given.
the right wing doesn't. they are full of fallacy.
If the founders meant "general welfare" was socialized medicine, then they would have had it from day one.
they didn't have electric vehicles back then; any more special pleading?
We're not talking about vehicles. You claim "general welfare" means government paid healthcare. It doesn't. The Supreme Court has determined what it means.
Making sure everyone has access to healthcare in our First World economy is a responsibility of Government; the general welfare clause must be general enough to address that issue in a market friendly manner.
access does not mean provided to. Do you at least understand that much?

BTW...there were no markets in the founding generation, therefore a government solution using these markets invalidates your claims.
 
Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
Why do you bring up the civil war regarding the founders intent..............
They wrote this a whole lot earlier than the civil war.
They wrote for a world they understood
Not a modern society that is the most powerful economy and military on the planet
 
No, however; it is natural for any society to have its share of malcontents and layabouts. The chronic unemployed is not a function of capitalism, but of a permissive society.
Yes, it is. Nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.
Well, no one takes you seriously, that is a given.
the right wing doesn't. they are full of fallacy.
You don't even know what a fallacy is. When you are losing an argument, you and your ilk resort to this kind of deflection.
Liberal men know about phallic symbols are. Gets em all worked up.
yeah, they tend to bend over frequently whenever one is present. I can't imagine why.
 
It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Federal powers are also few and defined or enumerated. The remainder are reserved to the states.

You have completly rendered the 9th and 10th Amendments meaningless.

Skippy.

.
They have been placed where they belong...subservient to a powerful central government
 
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
Why do you bring up the civil war regarding the founders intent..............
They wrote this a whole lot earlier than the civil war.
They wrote for a world they understood
Not a modern society that is the most powerful economy and military on the planet
We’re a young nation. The Constitution continues to work today. We need more strict constructionist on our courts.
 
If the founders meant "general welfare" was socialized medicine, then they would have had it from day one.
they didn't have electric vehicles back then; any more special pleading?
We're not talking about vehicles. You claim "general welfare" means government paid healthcare. It doesn't. The Supreme Court has determined what it means.
Making sure everyone has access to healthcare in our First World economy is a responsibility of Government; the general welfare clause must be general enough to address that issue in a market friendly manner.
No, it isn't a responsibility of government to ensure everyone has healthcare. If it was our founders would have made it so. It's your opinion, that's all.
access to healthcare is providing for the general welfare. we have a First World economy.
The Supreme Court disagreed with you.
 
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Federal powers are also few and defined or enumerated. The remainder are reserved to the states.

You have completly rendered the 9th and 10th Amendments meaningless.

Skippy.

.
They have been placed where they belong...subservient to a powerful central government
Just like the Soviet Union huh?
 
And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.
Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Federal powers are also few and defined or enumerated. The remainder are reserved to the states.

You have completly rendered the 9th and 10th Amendments meaningless.

Skippy.

.
They have been placed where they belong...subservient to a powerful central government
Wrong.
 
Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
Why do you bring up the civil war regarding the founders intent..............
They wrote this a whole lot earlier than the civil war.
They wrote for a world they understood
Not a modern society that is the most powerful economy and military on the planet
We’re a young nation. The Constitution continues to work today. We need more strict constructionist on our courts.


what are those 'constructionist' gonna build with their Tinker Toys?
 
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
Why do you bring up the civil war regarding the founders intent..............
They wrote this a whole lot earlier than the civil war.
They wrote for a world they understood
Not a modern society that is the most powerful economy and military on the planet
We’re a young nation. The Constitution continues to work today. We need more strict constructionist on our courts.


what are those 'constructionist' gonna build with their Tinker Toys?
They don’t legislate from the bench. Learn the difference from “loose constructionist” and “strict constructionist.”
 
Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.
Do you bow to your masters..........LOL

Was never the intent of the Founding Fathers for the all powerful gov't we have today..........It was perverted........and they warned us.....the Federalist papers are full of proof on that...........

So now quote.........living document.........blah blah blah............but they were SPECIFIC on ENUMERATED POWERS.

Of course not...

They ran an impoverished agrarian country that was spread out over wide areas. They had no choice but to run a decentralized Government

We fought a Civil War to create THE UNITED STATES rather than a bunch of states that are united
Why do you bring up the civil war regarding the founders intent..............
They wrote this a whole lot earlier than the civil war.
They wrote for a world they understood
Not a modern society that is the most powerful economy and military on the planet
We’re a young nation. The Constitution continues to work today. We need more strict constructionist on our courts.
We have one of the oldest continuous governments on earth
 

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