What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[danielpalos]

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This thread was heavily inspired by danielpalos
Since I’ve never in my life heard or read someone use the phrase “general welfare” more than he does I figured we could all enlighten him a bit. Thanks to all who engaged I think he’s now well informed, he knows our founders did not intend for freeloadIng lowlifes to live like Rockstars on the neighbors dime.
I stand by my opinion....”general welfare” refers to keeping lowlifes breathing oxygen...nothing more.

you all don't understand the concepts.

 

[rightwinger]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

He is referring to independence and the British Empire.

Wrong again

He wrote it many years after the revolution

 

[Bush92]

Social contract theory is all about socialism.

Uhhhh...no...it is not. It’s about how government ensures the rights of the people. Not step on them like leftist governments do.

that is socialism; it must start with a social contract.

Wrong. Socialist ideology is government taking rights away from the people.

Wrong. Only right wing political jargon does that.

Since when does right wing try to force me to pay a fee to breathe like Obama care?

‘Tis a violation of your natural rights.

 

[danielpalos]

Social contract theory is all about socialism.

Uhhhh...no...it is not. It’s about how government ensures the rights of the people. Not step on them like leftist governments do.

that is socialism; it must start with a social contract.

Wrong. Socialist ideology is government taking rights away from the people.

Wrong. Only right wing political jargon does that.

Since when does right wing try to force me to pay a fee to breathe like Obama care?

lol. work or die, is all the right wing cares about.

 

[rightwinger]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

Well so much for the lefts mind becoming more developed they think abortion is not killing a baby.


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<sob>. But...but...What about ABORTION?

 

[Bush92]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

He is referring to independence and the British Empire.

Wrong again

He wrote it many years after the revolution

He also wrote the Declaration of Independence. Read it and see what he says about natural rights and the violation of those by the Crown.

 

[Bush92]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

Well so much for the lefts mind becoming more developed they think abortion is not killing a baby.


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<sob>. But...but...What about ABORTION?

Infanticide is a sick part of our culture advocated by leftist.

 

[Bush92]

Uhhhh...no...it is not. It’s about how government ensures the rights of the people. Not step on them like leftist governments do.

that is socialism; it must start with a social contract.

Wrong. Socialist ideology is government taking rights away from the people.

Wrong. Only right wing political jargon does that.

Since when does right wing try to force me to pay a fee to breathe like Obama care?

lol. work or die, is all the right wing cares about.

It is not the obligation of society to support the lame and lazy.

 

[Wyatt earp]

that is socialism; it must start with a social contract.

Wrong. Socialist ideology is government taking rights away from the people.

Wrong. Only right wing political jargon does that.

Since when does right wing try to force me to pay a fee to breathe like Obama care?

lol. work or die, is all the right wing cares about.

It is not the obligation of society to support the lame and lazy.

If it was we never would abandoned socialism in jamestown 400 plus years ago

 

[Wyatt earp]

Thomas Jefferson said it best

Well so much for the lefts mind becoming more developed they think abortion is not killing a baby.


.

<sob>. But...but...What about ABORTION?

That's exactly what an undeveloped mind would say.

 

[BS Filter]

We're not talking about vehicles. You claim "general welfare" means government paid healthcare. It doesn't. The Supreme Court has determined what it means.

Making sure everyone has access to healthcare in our First World economy is a responsibility of Government; the general welfare clause must be general enough to address that issue in a market friendly manner.

No, it isn't a responsibility of government to ensure everyone has healthcare. If it was our founders would have made it so. It's your opinion, that's all.

access to healthcare is providing for the general welfare. we have a First World economy.

The Supreme Court disagreed with you.

where?

Google Supreme Court and welfare claus. Duh!

 

[Ame®icano]

General, not specific.

public assistance is unconstitutional.

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means tested welfare cannot be unconstitutional in our First World economy whenever merely solving for a poverty money, may not be enough.

Only, back then, we were not "first world" economy. Not even close.

 

[Flash]

Stupid uneducated low information Moon Bats are as confused about what "general welfare" means as they are confused about "a well regulated militia".

 

[danielpalos]

that is socialism; it must start with a social contract.

Wrong. Socialist ideology is government taking rights away from the people.

Wrong. Only right wing political jargon does that.

Since when does right wing try to force me to pay a fee to breathe like Obama care?

lol. work or die, is all the right wing cares about.

It is not the obligation of society to support the lame and lazy.

yes, it is. more so than providing alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror on a for-profit basis.

 

[danielpalos]

Wrong. Socialist ideology is government taking rights away from the people.

Wrong. Only right wing political jargon does that.

Since when does right wing try to force me to pay a fee to breathe like Obama care?

lol. work or die, is all the right wing cares about.

It is not the obligation of society to support the lame and lazy.

If it was we never would abandoned socialism in jamestown 400 plus years ago

or capitalism after 1929.

 

[danielpalos]

Making sure everyone has access to healthcare in our First World economy is a responsibility of Government; the general welfare clause must be general enough to address that issue in a market friendly manner.

No, it isn't a responsibility of government to ensure everyone has healthcare. If it was our founders would have made it so. It's your opinion, that's all.

access to healthcare is providing for the general welfare. we have a First World economy.

The Supreme Court disagreed with you.

where?

Google Supreme Court and welfare claus. Duh!

no programs have been ruled unconstitutional because they exceeded the general welfare.

 

[danielpalos]

General, not specific.

public assistance is unconstitutional.

.

means tested welfare cannot be unconstitutional in our First World economy whenever merely solving for a poverty money, may not be enough.

Only, back then, we were not "first world" economy. Not even close.

that was then, this is now.

 

[danielpalos]

Stupid uneducated low information Moon Bats are as confused about what "general welfare" means as they are confused about "a well regulated militia".

lol. just right wing propaganda and rhetoric;

the right wing can't tell the difference between the common defense and the general warfare or common offense.

 

[BS Filter]

No, it isn't a responsibility of government to ensure everyone has healthcare. If it was our founders would have made it so. It's your opinion, that's all.

access to healthcare is providing for the general welfare. we have a First World economy.

The Supreme Court disagreed with you.

where?

Google Supreme Court and welfare claus. Duh!

no programs have been ruled unconstitutional because they exceeded the general welfare.

That isn't the point. The definition of the welfare clause is the point.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

It means exactly what occurred in the first years of our government when the Founding Fathers were involved - Issues At 30,000 feet, not Miss Anne needs a new wood burning stove.