What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[danielpalos]

Making sure everyone has access to healthcare in our First World economy is a responsibility of Government; the general welfare clause must be general enough to address that issue in a market friendly manner.

Please continue then..........Tell us how to fix the Health Care System in the United States..........a country that basically pays twice per capita than any other country on earth for it.

Explain......and NO 15 PER HOUR BS.

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed means greater efficiency in our markets.

with recourse to a minimum income for simply being unemployed; who wouldn't be able to afford some time of health care?

I told you not to do that .........You have no clue now do you..............LOL

with recourse to a minimum income for simply being unemployed; who wouldn't be able to afford some time of health care?

Tell me about that cost kid...........how young are you troll

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

 

[danielpalos]

the right wing doesn't. they are full of fallacy.

If the founders meant "general welfare" was socialized medicine, then they would have had it from day one.

they didn't have electric vehicles back then; any more special pleading?

We're not talking about vehicles. You claim "general welfare" means government paid healthcare. It doesn't. The Supreme Court has determined what it means.

Making sure everyone has access to healthcare in our First World economy is a responsibility of Government; the general welfare clause must be general enough to address that issue in a market friendly manner.

No, it isn't a responsibility of government to ensure everyone has healthcare. If it was our founders would have made it so. It's your opinion, that's all.

access to healthcare is providing for the general welfare. we have a First World economy.

 

[eagle1462010]

Please continue then..........Tell us how to fix the Health Care System in the United States..........a country that basically pays twice per capita than any other country on earth for it.

Explain......and NO 15 PER HOUR BS.

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed means greater efficiency in our markets.

with recourse to a minimum income for simply being unemployed; who wouldn't be able to afford some time of health care?

I told you not to do that .........You have no clue now do you..............LOL

with recourse to a minimum income for simply being unemployed; who wouldn't be able to afford some time of health care?

Tell me about that cost kid...........how young are you troll

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

You are dumber than a bag of rocks...........sock puppet.........and don't have a clue.

 

[danielpalos]

we don't have a capitalist economy, then? why waste time with tax cut economics.

That is barely coherent, but let me give it a try.

We have a capitalist economy but we have had abusive lawmakers and executives who have moved to reward those who do not work.

I can't make it any simpler than that, Sancho.

we can't have a capitalist economy if people are lazy. you just confirmed that just few posts ago.

 

[rightwinger]

It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People

And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live. So the US Government (not California) can tell Alabama they are not allowed to discriminate against blacks in spite of what George Wallace thinks

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

 

[danielpalos]

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed means greater efficiency in our markets.

with recourse to a minimum income for simply being unemployed; who wouldn't be able to afford some time of health care?

I told you not to do that .........You have no clue now do you..............LOL

with recourse to a minimum income for simply being unemployed; who wouldn't be able to afford some time of health care?

Tell me about that cost kid...........how young are you troll

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

You are dumber than a bag of rocks...........sock puppet.........and don't have a clue.

nothing but ad hominems; even promiscuous women are more conservative.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The genius of COTUS is in ambiguity, which allows the reader to understand the text in terms of their time in history, not the end of the 18th Century when written.

That's the problem. You see ambiguity when there is none.

The Constitution was designed to be static and immovable EXCEPT by amendment. YOU don't like the amendment process because you can't get your bullshit commie agenda implemented.

Anyone who says that the constitution can be changed by a mere change in interpretation is an enemy to the United States and should be treated as such, but it will not happen.

For this and other reasons, I do not want to share a country with the likes of you. I want Texas Independence.

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Have you taken ConLaw?

Have you noticed how Supreme Court rulings are not always 9-0, and when not 9-0 there are commonly dissents and concurrences with the majority.

Do you wonder why?

As to your hostility to me, it is based on your ignorance and bigotry.

For the record, I've taken ConLaw, I carried a badge for 32 years, I have an honorable discharge from our Navy (projectile man in a 5" gun); I've been married to the same women since 1974, we have two sons, two grandsons and I've coached little league, CYO Basketball and AYSO Soccer in my spare time; I have had dogs and cats, drove a mini van, had a 10 handicap and once bowled a 300 game.

I'm not a commie and in 1967 I met my first Texan, in fact about 1/3 of my company as NTCSD boot camp came from Texas. They were some of the dumbest and most arrogant people I had ever experienced. Their table manners were atrocious and their language skills were comical. You would have fit right in.

Your posts suggest you are a radical leftist.

Your assessment uses two terms, define both if you can:

Radical means to you?

Leftist means to you?

To the farthest left. Its not that difficult.

Want to explain your comment? Or do you - as I suspect - simply post out of a need for attention?

 

[danielpalos]

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

i have; that is how i know this is Not a right wing, twice a day moment.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People

And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.

Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

 

[eagle1462010]

It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People

And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live. So the US Government (not California) can tell Alabama they are not allowed to discriminate against blacks in spite of what George Wallace thinks

So the Supremacy Clause gives the Federal Gov't the right to tell someone from Alabama to fund a High Speed Train in California..........hmmm....

Not the same is it.............Same as why should someone from California pay for a Hurricane in Alabama..........or an earthquake in California.........

Not the same bro.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

i have; that is how i know this is Not a right wing, twice a day moment.

Where does new wealth originate?

 

[eagle1462010]

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

i have; that is how i know this is Not a right wing, twice a day moment.

Where does new wealth originate?

In his mind..........LOL

 

[LordBrownTrout]

That's the problem. You see ambiguity when there is none.

The Constitution was designed to be static and immovable EXCEPT by amendment. YOU don't like the amendment process because you can't get your bullshit commie agenda implemented.

Anyone who says that the constitution can be changed by a mere change in interpretation is an enemy to the United States and should be treated as such, but it will not happen.

For this and other reasons, I do not want to share a country with the likes of you. I want Texas Independence.

.

Have you taken ConLaw?

Have you noticed how Supreme Court rulings are not always 9-0, and when not 9-0 there are commonly dissents and concurrences with the majority.

Do you wonder why?

As to your hostility to me, it is based on your ignorance and bigotry.

For the record, I've taken ConLaw, I carried a badge for 32 years, I have an honorable discharge from our Navy (projectile man in a 5" gun); I've been married to the same women since 1974, we have two sons, two grandsons and I've coached little league, CYO Basketball and AYSO Soccer in my spare time; I have had dogs and cats, drove a mini van, had a 10 handicap and once bowled a 300 game.

I'm not a commie and in 1967 I met my first Texan, in fact about 1/3 of my company as NTCSD boot camp came from Texas. They were some of the dumbest and most arrogant people I had ever experienced. Their table manners were atrocious and their language skills were comical. You would have fit right in.

Your posts suggest you are a radical leftist.

Your assessment uses two terms, define both if you can:

Radical means to you?

Leftist means to you?

To the farthest left. Its not that difficult.

Want to explain your comment? Or do you - as I suspect - simply post out of a need for attention?

I don't need attention. You've doubled my post count and have been here a shorter time. Lol. I do commend you on what you've done in your personal life though.

 

[danielpalos]

It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People

And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.

Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

thank Goodness FDR was a left winger and not a right winger.

 

[danielpalos]

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

i have; that is how i know this is Not a right wing, twice a day moment.

Where does new wealth originate?

we need Labor to soak up QE.

 

[danielpalos]

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

i have; that is how i know this is Not a right wing, twice a day moment.

Where does new wealth originate?

In his mind..........LOL

we have a general welfare clause; that means, solutions not excuses.

 

[rightwinger]

It means simply doing what is in the best interest of....We the People

And under the Constitution.........was reserved for the States to do that........So no one from California will tell someone from Alabama how to live or vice versa..........so each State can decide it's OWN FATE..............

Evidently not

The Supremacy Clause says the federal government can tell you how to live.

Constitutional Law professors all across the country are banging their heads against the wall.

Fraid not Skippy

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land. ... Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.

 

[eagle1462010]

we are looking for gains from efficiency not cheap labor. capital has to circulate under capitalism to engender a positive multiplier effect.

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

i have; that is how i know this is Not a right wing, twice a day moment.

Where does new wealth originate?

In his mind..........LOL

we have a general welfare clause; that means, solutions not excuses.

The Founding Fathers were very specific .........that you are wrong........It wasn't until FDR got court flunkies on that they changed the whole meaning of it.

 

[danielpalos]

Read an economics book, for the love of GOD!!!

i have; that is how i know this is Not a right wing, twice a day moment.

Where does new wealth originate?

In his mind..........LOL

we have a general welfare clause; that means, solutions not excuses.

The Founding Fathers were very specific .........that you are wrong........It wasn't until FDR got court flunkies on that they changed the whole meaning of it.

lol. the general welfare clause is express not implied.