So you think that I am trying to convince you of something?You can't accept that your personal interpretation isn't obvious or particularly convincing so you try to guess my motives. I'm currently neither dead, nor hiding anything.
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So you think that I am trying to convince you of something?You can't accept that your personal interpretation isn't obvious or particularly convincing so you try to guess my motives. I'm currently neither dead, nor hiding anything.
By saying something is obvious and repeating it and asking me to think in the way you want so I accpet your interpretation, you aren't trying to convince me or anyone else?So you think that I am trying to convince you of something?
Right. I have openly done something that no other man could ever do even if they lived forever. So it really doesn't matter to me at all if no one can see or accept what I have done and continue in obstinate stupidity to stumble around in the darkness for thousands and thousands of years...By saying something is obvious and repeating it and asking me to think in the way you want so I accpet your interpretation, you aren't trying to convince me or anyone else?
gee, never the thought ever occurred for a second ... especially from a rabbit.
you do realize that it all can be untrue.
gee, never the thought ever occurred for a second ... especially from a rabbit.
um...
what?
You're saying I am wrong with respect to everything I presented in this thread. OK Rabbi Rosend, I will assume you're telling me the truth about you being a rabbi. What did I get wrong in my presentation? If you offer me a reasonable case, I will discard my present position and accept yours. What evidence do you have that the texts in question in the Talmud don't refer to the prophet Jesus? Also, what evidence do you have that the Jewish rabbis in those videos I embeded, didn't mean the goyim are going to be under the heel of world Jewry in the future, as abject slaves? Debunk my arguments.By saying something is obvious and repeating it and asking me to think in the way you want so I accpet your interpretation, you aren't trying to convince me or anyone else?
wait, you are asking for evidence that the text which NEVER MENTIONS JESUS doesn't refer to Jesus? Do you see how insane that is. The text never, ever mentions Jesus so the burden would be on someone wanting to prove it IS about Jesus. Looking at the text, one can see that the timing and details of the people spoken about make it impossible to be Jesus.You're saying I am wrong with respect to everything I presented in this thread. OK Rabbi Rosend, I will assume you're telling me the truth about you being a rabbi. What did I get wrong in my presentation? If you offer me a reasonable case, I will discard my present position and accept yours. What evidence do you have that the texts in question in the Talmud don't refer to the prophet Jesus? Also, what evidence do you have that the Jewish rabbis in those videos I embeded, didn't mean the goyim are going to be under the heel of world Jewry in the future, as abject slaves? Debunk my arguments.
What is the context of that verse you are citing about the goyim seeking Jewish people for instruction? Can you cite the passage so that way we can read it in context?wait, you are asking for evidence that the text which NEVER MENTIONS JESUS doesn't refer to Jesus? Do you see how insane that is. The text never, ever mentions Jesus so the burden would be on someone wanting to prove it IS about Jesus. Looking at the text, one can see that the timing and details of the people spoken about make it impossible to be Jesus.
If you understood Jewish eschatology you would know that in messianic times, there will be no forcing anyone but non-Jews will seek out Judaism and wish to spend time with Jews and learn about God and Judaism. So the texts say that a number of non-Jews will actually grab onto the clothes of Jews and ask to be able to learn about Judaism by watching the Jews. Did you not study that part?
... about the goyim seeking Jewish people for instruction?
That destroys your argument not his !!!! God said He would never bring such a flood again. so if it was local only why would you even be arguing, it CAN"T be true. --- I do accept that account so don't anybody bother me over it. That the narrative is indicating a global flood seems obvious.Then there was zero need to build an ark. Simply move
Apparently, all of the people on Earth for 315,000 years prior to the Hebrews, didn't count.Why would God choose one Group of people over another? What does it even mean to be "Chosen"? Chosen for what? Does it mean all Jews will go to Heaven?
Apparently, all of the people on Earth for 315,000 years prior to the Hebrews, didn't count.
Try Zecharia 8:22-23What is the context of that verse you are citing about the goyim seeking Jewish people for instruction? Can you cite the passage so that way we can read it in context?
that depends on the synagogue and whether (in this day and age, with heightened security) the non-Jew made arrangements to go beforehand. I have helped non-Jews follow services in an orthodox synagogue.What happens if a non-Jew goes to an Orthodox synagogue here in NYC?
These days, if a stranger says he wants to come in, he will probably be turned away. This is rather recent -- we used to have people come in and look around (I'm right outside of NYC).Will they be asked to leave or will they be mistreated?
No, they live their lives as Noachides. If they want to be Noachides, they have already left Christianity, but plenty of people live fine and fulfilling lives not being any religion at all so I'm not sure what your concern is.Do Noahides have to be lone rangers, leaving their Christian community, and their church to live a life in isolation, as a goy that orbits Orthodox Judaism, and Jewish people, but is never really part of a community? Just an outsider or stranger, orbiting Jewish people.
but plenty of people live fine and fulfilling lives not being any religion at all so I'm not sure what your concern is.
That's the trouble with magical nonsense...wait, you are asking for evidence that the text which NEVER MENTIONS JESUS doesn't refer to Jesus? Do you see how insane that is. The text never, ever mentions Jesus so the burden would be on someone wanting to prove it IS about Jesus. Looking at the text, one can see that the timing and details of the people spoken about make it impossible to be Jesus.
If you understood Jewish eschatology you would know that in messianic times, there will be no forcing anyone but non-Jews will seek out Judaism and wish to spend time with Jews and learn about God and Judaism. So the texts say that a number of non-Jews will actually grab onto the clothes of Jews and ask to be able to learn about Judaism by watching the Jews. Did you not study that part?
I agree with everything you said, except your last remark. Human beings need community, and what's more important and profound than one's faith and devotion to God? That expresses itself in religion, or within and through a religious community.Try Zecharia 8:22-23
Zechariah 8:23
Thus said GOD of Hosts: In those days, ten people from nations of every tongue will take hold—they will take hold of every Jew by a corner of their cloak and...www.sefaria.org
that depends on the synagogue and whether (in this day and age, with heightened security) the non-Jew made arrangements to go beforehand. I have helped non-Jews follow services in an orthodox synagogue.
These days, if a stranger says he wants to come in, he will probably be turned away. This is rather recent -- we used to have people come in and look around (I'm right outside of NYC).
No, they live their lives as Noachides. If they want to be Noachides, they have already left Christianity, but plenty of people live fine and fulfilling lives not being any religion at all so I'm not sure what your concern is.
If you look at the seven laws for the noachide, they establish a moral society. They don't need to worship as a group to live in a group, study in a group or grow as a group. Religion is a communal exercise in Judaism (though it isn't in every religion). Since the noachide is not Jewish, he is not bound to the religio-social rites and requirements of Jews.I agree with everything you said, except your last remark. Human beings need community, and what's more important and profound than one's faith and devotion to God? That expresses itself in religion, or within and through a religious community.
Jewish rabbis admit in many video-lectures, and "sermons", the importance of community, worshiping, praying, and studying Torah together..etc. But the goy, well, they don't need religion, or to be part of a religious community.
The "needs of goyim"? What are you saying? Do you understand that according to many, other religions can be considered noachides and they have their religious community. You are assuming that Jews are creating a social limitation when that's not at all true.That's just your disingenuous, flippant attitude towards the needs of the goyim.
Jewish communal groups are for Jews. Why does that bother you? Noachides DO have a communityThe attitude of Jews like you is essentially, that they're for the Jews (for themselves),
I see, so you as a Jewish rabbi, recognize that non-Jews can have a religion that is within the parameters of the seven laws of Noah.If you look at the seven laws for the noachide, they establish a moral society. They don't need to worship as a group to live in a group, study in a group or grow as a group. Religion is a communal exercise in Judaism (though it isn't in every religion). Since the noachide is not Jewish, he is not bound to the religio-social rites and requirements of Jews.
The "needs of goyim"? What are you saying? Do you understand that according to many, other religions can be considered noachides and they have their religious community. You are assuming that Jews are creating a social limitation when that's not at all true.
Jewish communal groups are for Jews. Why does that bother you? Noachides DO have a community
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Belong to a community that seeks spiritual truth. Noahides are a community of non-Jews who follow the righteous laws of Noah according to the teachings of the old testament. A shared mission unites Noahides from different cultures worldwide; Live morally, bring peace, and mend the world.noahideworldcenter.orgNoahides Study the Noahide Code in Yonkers, New York | AskNoah.org
A group Noahides and their Jewish teacher gathered at a graduation event for those who had completed a course on the Noahide Code that is taught in Yonkers, NY.asknoah.org