Zone1 What does it mean that Jews are "God's Chosen People"?


  • Argumentum ad antiquitatem
    (appeal to tradition or appeal to antiquity) is a fallacy that occurs when something is considered true or better simply because it is older, traditional, or "has always been done."
  • Argumentum ad populum (appeal to the majority or appeal to the people) is the fallacy of concluding that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it. It often involves appealing to the emotions and values of a group to accept a claim as true.

You're appealing to all of the above, stating that the term anti-Semiticism should continue to mean what it does now, irrespective of the fact that Jews aren't the only Semites. I and many others disagree with you and with the Western culture that has been hoodwinked by Jews playing the victims and pretending that term should only apply to them (Even when you're the ones doing much of the victimizing vs non-Jewish Semites).

You xenophobic, misanthropic ZioNazis don't deserve to have that term exclusively refer to you, when you're not the only Semites. That's what I said and what many other people are saying too. How you and your buddies feel about our opinion is irrelevant, we don't care.
You are stupid and your logic analysis is stupid.

The first argument DOES NOT MEAN that an appeal to an old argument is ipso facto wrong !!!!
Same with the second, what is true will tend to be thought true by the majority.

ANd you abuse language because anti-Semitic does mean Jews.

Godawful stupid !!!
 
though this all belongs on another thread, I'll put here that you are wrong. No one is demanding "exclusive rights". You keep stamping your feet and insisting it is so, but all people are asking for is that words that mean something are used to mean that. You would prefer a language that has no meaning because anything can mean anyone.

you are starting with a number that came from Hamas and that even Hamas admits is wrong



why does any action against any group change the meaning of a word or mean that it shouldn't mean what it means? The answer is is can't. The language expanded in 1923 to include a word that relates to Muslims.



Your claim is that a word should mean whatever you think it should mean. That leads to an anarchic approach to language and communication. The fact that you are relying on the structure of English to write your posts means that you explicitly cede authority to the dictionary and rules of English. Except you don't when it comes to one word because you don't like it. That doesn't change the reality of language no matter how many times you insist it could.

So when you go to a restaurant, feel free to order the tuna and be happy when they serve you salmon. Your want words to believe whatever you want. That's not how reality works. You want "inclusivity" then you want it across the board or you are being a hypocrite.

No it doesn't, any more than using any word in the way that the dictionary and history dictate is "sleight of hand." Your jealousy is really pathetic.

WITHIN IT'S TAXONOMIC GROUPING! How monopolistic of you! How can you limit it like that? What about inclusivity? This is hateful. Why do you choose to be hateful to all the other fish who want to be called tuna? Pity the poor carp and the shark, both of which might be called tuna by people and therefore, they should be included in the title of "tuna."

I am appealing to authority as it relates to the coining and meaning of the word. You reject that authority as it relates to a single word. That's hypocritical of you.

So you are ignoring that the term is "semitic languages" because people aren't actually "semitic". But hey, that's just the history and use of the word. Feel free to change that because you want to.

not only isn't that a case of reductio anything, but it isn't flippant. It is the natural and logical extension of your position. You are against "exclusivity in language" but don't embrace inclusivity for another word. Strange.

So since the Irish were called "white slaves" they should be included in the term "blacks" because they were called "slaves."

You have this urge to muddy the water. There is a clear linguistic point here but you are so angry about a word that you try to drag in all sorts of irrelevancies to fuel your baseless linguistic wishes.

And "bird" should include paper airplanes. And hamsters can be victims of Islamophobia. Break the monopoly that Muslims have on the word and be more inclusive!






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Widely recognized, legitimate international institutions and organizations placed the death toll at 30K a month ago. So my figures are accurate and your Hasbara-Jew-Propaganda attempt to discredit that is pathetic. Who are you writing your posts to, other ZioNazis? Only they will believe your Hasbara-BS. Maybe American Evangelicals will believe you, since many of them worship Jews. We Muslims don't worship Jews, especially ZioNazis.

Your dishonest, BS response, with its hyperbolic comparisons and sarcastic suggestions, indicates a retreat from serious debate into the territory of sophistry.

The heart of the matter remains unaddressed: the ethical implications of monopolizing the term "anti-Semitism" while actions by Jewish ZioNazis actively harm other Semitic people, such as Palestinians. This is not merely about semantics or clinging to historical usage—it's about acknowledging the current reality where words and their implications can indeed be life-altering and impactful to the point of having deadly outcomes.

By insisting on an outdated and exclusive definition of "anti-Semitism," that only emphasizes Jewish suffering, we risk ignoring the suffering of countless other people who also fall under the Semitic umbrella. This becomes an even more poignant, vital concern when its Jews who are causing the suffering of other Semites with their psychopathic, racist, religio-nationalist zealotry.

Your pathetic, disgusting trivialization of this issue serves no one and merely highlights resistance to acknowledging the complexities of Semitic identity beyond a single group (The Jews).Language evolves as society does; it's a tool for communication and understanding, not a weapon to gatekeep suffering and empathy. The insistence on maintaining a rigid, exclusive definition of "anti-Semitism" that does not reflect the lived experiences of all Semitic people is both morally and intellectually insufficient.

That's my final word on the matter: Feel free to claim the last word, and with it, the illusion of victory. There are far more fruitful ways to spend my time than going in circles with someone who confuses disingenuous, sophistic gobbledygook for an actual argument.
 
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You are stupid and your logic analysis is stupid.

The first argument DOES NOT MEAN that an appeal to an old argument is ipso facto wrong !!!!
Same with the second, what is true will tend to be thought true by the majority.

ANd you abuse language because anti-Semitic does mean Jews.

Godawful stupid !!!
Firstly, the argumentum ad antiquitatem doesn't imply that all traditional beliefs are inherently incorrect, but it cautions against assuming something is correct simply because it is traditional. The critical issue here isn't that the current definition of "anti-Semitism" as exclusively anti-Jewish is wrong solely because it's an old definition, but that it fails to account for the full spectrum of Semitic peoples, which includes non-Jewish Semites who are also subjected to discrimination and violence, notably the Palestinians.

This leads directly to the argumentum ad populum fallacy, which warns against concluding that a belief is true just because it is widely held. While you suggest that what is true will generally be believed by the majority, this overlooks numerous historical and contemporary examples where majorities have supported unjust or incorrect beliefs. It's crucial to challenge and rethink these "majority rules" when they contribute to injustice.

Moreover, your assertion that "anti-Semitic" exclusively pertains to Jews ignores the pressing need to reevaluate this definition in light of current realities. It is not an abuse of language but a necessary evolution to suggest that "anti-Semitism" should encompass all forms of bigotry against Semitic peoples, especially given the alarming ironies of today. Jewish Zionists, who have historically been victims of severe discrimination, are now implicated in harsh actions against Palestinians, including devastating bombing campaigns and discriminatory practices. This contradiction underscores the moral and ethical dilemma of maintaining an exclusive definition of "anti-Semitism" that does not acknowledge the suffering inflicted upon other Semitic groups.

Calling my analysis and me "stupid" doesn’t constitute a rebuttal, it only proves you're an old cranky wench hag, without anything of value to add to the discussion.
 
Direct human implications? No, it has animal implications, like pigs aren't kosher.
Swine (of the human sort) aren't kosher specifically because they do not ruminate. They "just believe" without thinking about what they are putting in their head. Who knows better than you what that does to people? Teeming vermin who go down on all fours aren't kosher too and also has direct human implications. According to God they are vile and loathsome creatures whose flesh (TEACHING) defiles and contaminates (the mind). Don't you agree? Here's a visual to help;

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And so? If I call you a horse, or a fly, who cares? You are straining at gnats. You want the text not to mean what it says. That's fine. It still says what it says.
Right it still says what it says. And it doesn't matter what you call me, I am talking about how God's sees different types of people, everything from bottom feeders, swine, cattle, wolves, sheep, goats, dogs, maggots, serpents, teeming vermin, worms, to vultures in kosher law are metaphors for people in the vernacular of every language. How is that straining at a gnat?

Its a fact. I know that you are well aware of the language of the prophets. Why feign ignorance?

"No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

ITS THE LAW!

What do 'the wild beasts of the field' represent if not lawless barbarians? Think! You can do it!

God spoke through the prophets in metaphors and allegories. Why would this God who spoke through Moses, a prophet, speak in any other way when giving the Law? Think! You can do it!
 
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Widely recognized, legitimate international institutions and organizations placed the death toll at 30K a month ago.
So swing and a miss on your part. A month ago and further back, media outlets parroted the Hamas released numbers. A week ago, Hamas admits that those numbers are flawed. Check the dates on what you just posted. All you did was reinforce my point. Good work. And if you call statistical analyses by experts and Hamas' own admission to be hasbara then you haven't a clue. I'll add it to the words that you don't understand.
The heart of the matter remains unaddressed: the ethical implications of monopolizing the term "anti-Semitism"
that's not the heart of the matter. That's your jealousy that there is a word that refers to Jews. The heart of the matter is your jealousy.
By insisting on an outdated and exclusive definition of "anti-Semitism,"
why is it outdated? Did Arabs change into "Semites" recently? Or were they "Semites" when the word was coined? If nothing changed and the word was intended to refer to Jews then it isn't outdated. Another term you seem unfamiliar with
that only emphasizes Jewish suffering,
No, by definition it refers to an attitude towards Jews. It is not emphasizing anything any more than any word "emphasizes" what it means.
Your pathetic, disgusting trivialization of this issue serves no one and merely highlights resistance to acknowledging the complexities of Semitic identity beyond a single group (The Jews).Language evolves as society does; it's a tool for communication and understanding, not a weapon to gatekeep suffering and empathy. The insistence on maintaining a rigid, exclusive definition of "anti-Semitism" that does not reflect the lived experiences of all Semitic people is both morally and intellectually insufficient.
So you are claiming victimhood because you don't get to use a word to describe actions against you even though there are other words available. All you want is to be included in that one word regardless of anything else. Sad. When you grow up and develop a respect for language, feel free to reach out and ask about things you don't yet understand.
 
---Jews have their own religion and have been struggling
for millennia to keep it that way

selfishness isn't lacking in the vernacular of judaism - as taught by jesus during their repudiation in the 1st century of that false religion - for obvious reasons.

what the jews hate more about jesus than anything else was their willingness to die for what they believed in as a heavenly exemplar.

they themselves try and repute, the heavenly jesus ... while not the likes of the liars abraham and moses as displayed by the cursory - 91.
 
Swine (of the human sort) aren't kosher specifically because they do not ruminate.
well, actually, they are not kosher because God said so by delineating the qualities of an animal that is kosher and pointing out that pigs, among other animals, do not have those qualities.
They "just believe" without thinking about what they are putting in their head. Who knows better than you what that does to people? Teeming vermin who go down on all fours aren't kosher too and also has direct human implications. According to God they are vile and loathsome creatures whose flesh (TEACHING) defiles and contaminates (the mind). Don't you agree?
Nope, I don't. The text is talking about animals and whether they are kosher (which has implications in a number of areas). This isn't about people.
Right it still says what it says. And it doesn't matter what you call me,
I didn't call you anything
I am talking about how God's sees different types of people, everything from bottom feeders, swine, cattle, wolves, sheep, goats, dogs, maggots, serpents, teeming vermin, worms, to vultures in kosher law are metaphors for people in the vernacular of every language. How is that straining at a gnat?
So you aere working to make a symbolic connection and reinterpreting the text so that it only refers to that symbolic level. Worrying about your interpretation and trying to find metaphorical meaning so that you can claim the text has relevance to a context outside of what it says it is about is straining at gnats, making too much of something and working too hard to try and make a point.
Its a fact. I know that you are well aware of the language of the prophets. Why feign ignorance?
I don't recall feigning ignorance.
"No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."
so? I mean, you must think this verse is significant because you cited it. But why? Yes, it is the law, but do you understand how the law works?
What do 'the wild beasts of the field' represent if not lawless barbarians? Think! You can do it!
it refers to wild beasts of the field. Why assume it means anything else? Think!
God spoke through the prophets in metaphors and allegories. Why would this God who spoke through Moses, a prophet, speak in any other way when giving the Law? Think! You can do it!
God spoke through Moses by giving him precise words to use. Though this was sometimes the case with prophets, sometimes they chose their own words

So assuming that God dictated the metaphors and allegories for the prophets isn't completely accurate. And assuming that everything Moses spoke was an allegory or metaphor because some prophets used those devices is specious reasoning at best.
 
it refers to wild beasts of the field. Why assume it means anything else? Think!
Its not an assumption. When the talking serpent, an obvious metaphor for a narcissist, was condemned by God for 'beguiling" Adam and Eve he was condemned as "lower than cattle and all the wild beasts of the field" which in this context is most definitely about human lowlifes.
 
Its not an assumption. When the talking serpent, an obvious metaphor for a narcissist, was condemned by God for 'beguiling" Adam and Eve he was condemned as "lower than cattle and all the wild beasts of the field" which in this context is most definitely about human lowlifes.
you have decided that the serpent was an "obvious" metaphor. (I bolded it) That isn't at all obvious. It isn't even persuasive. That is your personal interpretation.
 
So assuming that God dictated the metaphors and allegories for the prophets isn't completely accurate. And assuming that everything Moses spoke was an allegory or metaphor because some prophets used those devices is specious reasoning at best.
Who is assuming that everything that Moses spoke was a metaphor or allegory? I am specifically referring to the figurative language used in the Law and subsequently the not so hidden subjects

"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places ...."

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."
 
well, actually, they are not kosher because God said so by delineating the qualities of an animal that is kosher and pointing out that pigs, among other animals, do not have those qualities.

again, how the rabbits find all things for their pleasure ... and is their a fax from the heavens for them to point too.
 
you have decided that the serpent was an "obvious" metaphor. (I bolded it) That isn't at all obvious. It isn't even persuasive. That is your personal interpretation.
So the fact that the serpent was talking isn't an obvious metaphor for a narcissistic con to you?

Thats a shame.

You do have my condolences.....
 
Who is assuming that everything that Moses spoke was a metaphor or allegory? I am specifically referring to the figurative language used in the Law and subsequently the not so hidden subjects

"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places ...."

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."
Except that it isn't figurative language unless you, personally, decide it is.
 
Except that it isn't figurative language unless you, personally, decide it is.
Right.

Thats why it is so important to RUMINATE when reading about talking serpents, etc., otherwise you will be diverted by ignorance and superstition, as intended by the authors, and miss the entire point of what is being taught about the hard learned lessons of the past that are still very relevant while a direct descendant of that ever elusive talking serpent of old is trying to become a dictator with throngs of his gullible "possessions" beguiled by his deadly poison are doing his bidding as if it was both a patriotic and religious duty to destroy democracy. Damn. Smarten up!
 
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Right.

Thats why it is so important to RUMINATE when reading about talking serpents, etc., otherwise you will be diverted by ignorance and superstition, as intended by the authors, and miss the entire point of what is being taught about the hard learned lessons of the past that are still very relevant while a direct descendant of that ever elusive talking serpent of old is trying to become a dictator with throngs of his gullible possessions beguiled by his deadly poison are doing his bidding as if it was both a patriotic and religious duty to destroy democracy. Damn. Smarten up!
thanks but I'll stick with the teachings about the text that well predate your personal ideas.
 
No it isn't. It isn't even a non-obvious metaphor for a narcissistic con.
No problem! I just thought that you might want to know that any story that starts with "In the beginning" just like "Once upon a time" and immediately intrudes a crafty talking serpent is a children's story with a sublime teaching essential to a fruitful life that was never written down....

If you don't think and think and keep on thinking about what that teaching is you will never find it


Don't need them but thanks.
Right. No condolences necessary? lol....

You can't admit the obvious which means that either you are dead, or trying to hide something..

Of religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law.

Dead Sea scrolls, manual of discipline.

Oi. Some things never change!

I hate to break the news to you, but the cats already out of the bag! And it can't be undone!

;)
 
No problem! I just thought that you might want to know that any story that starts with "In the beginning" just like "Once upon a time" and immediately intrudes a crafty talking serpent is a children's story with a sublime teaching essential to a fruitful life that was never written down....
You can call it a children's story if that makes you feel better. The text begins with breisheet which is not "once upon a time".
If you don't think and think and keep on thinking about what that teaching is you will never find it
If you study the text and really learn its meanings, you will see that your conclusions are imamture at best, uninformed more likely.
You can't admit the obvious which means that either you are dead, or trying to hide something..
You can't accept that your personal interpretation isn't obvious or particularly convincing so you try to guess my motives. I'm currently neither dead, nor hiding anything.
 

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