What exactly is liberalism?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Liberalism is the exact opposite of fear and oppression. Enlightenment and freedom.

thus conservatism/libertarianism is fear and oppression, not limited govt or freedom from govt??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Actually, the progressive left have bastardized "liberal" and it's meaning in today's lexicon. They are NOT liberals in the classical sense. Liberals believe strongly in individual liberty, the radical left doesn't believe in this... they are authoritarian fascists who want to control people. They are about totalitarian power. Power to tell you what to do, when you can do it, how you are allowed to do it and who you can do it with. They want to micromanage every aspect of your life because they believe they know better how to do this.

"Liberal" and "leftist" have never meant the same thing, ever. That conflation was begun not with the left but with the desperate-for-power Republicans of the Red Scare/McCarthy daze. And reiterated in George Bush's 1988 presidential campaign.

Liberals invented this country and wrote its Constitution Liberalism means laissez-faire -- take care of basic government business and then get the hell out of the way. Liberalism means power derives from We the People, and not some authoritarian in a classed meritocracy.

Yep. Its all their fault that we no longer have an actual home country where we could drink tea with our crumpets and have pubs on every corner.

Hats off to the RWNJs though. They did try to save us. They spied on those libs and did their best to get those danged traitors shot, hung and/or burned at the stake.

Alas and alack ... someone tipped them off about the lantern in the Old North Church and Rush Revere got word To Arms To Arms.

Next thing we knew, we were signing sedition papers and we've never looked back.

Suck it up RWNJs. You're stuck with us.

to a liberal this is an example of saying something intelligent in defense of liberalism. See why op is correct?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

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The premise of the OP is there are no redeeming qualities to Liberal ideology. But ask their grandparents if they would be alright without Social Security and Medicare. .

alright?? they would be rich without it. An average American could retire with an estate of $1.4 million if 15% of their life time income was invested in private accounts. Now they get dog food money from Social Security if they live long enough to collect a penny. Republican capitalism made us rich, liberals stole the money and wasted it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

One in four children still live in poverty.

and magical govt can solve the problem????????? China just switched to Republican capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of all the poverty on the planet!! Do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Try to prove your statement.

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what statement exactly???????????? You clean forgot to say???

 

[Nosmo King]

Civil rights for example, could never be achieved if left to the states. .

exactly because the magic is in central govt not state government. A liberal will be a total illiterate not knowing that central govt has been the source of evil in human history and thus our founders limited it to a few enumerated powers moreso then ever in human history!!

In the example of civil rights, it was state governments that instituted JimCrow. It was the federal government that eliminated it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

In the example of civil rights, it was state governments that instituted JimCrow. It was the federal government that eliminated it.

in the example of all of human history it was federal governments that were the source of evil killing hundreds of millions of innocent people thus our genius Founders sought to limit federal govt as much as possible to a few enumerated powers.

 

[norwegen]

A liberal is a snowflake when he's by himself and a thug when he's in a mob.

 

[Nosmo King]

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The premise of the OP is there are no redeeming qualities to Liberal ideology. But ask their grandparents if they would be alright without Social Security and Medicare. .

alright?? they would be rich without it. An average American could retire with an estate of $1.4 million if 15% of their life time income was invested in private accounts. Now they get dog food money from Social Security if they live long enough to collect a penny. Republican capitalism made us rich, liberals stole the money and wasted it.

Alternative facts already? My grandfather worked thirty five years in a Pottery. His lifetime earnings would not have approached your pie-in-the-Sky figure of 1.5 million. And when his wife had a catastrophic medical emergency
, Medicare picked up the majority of a $575,000 hospital bill.

You really should explore reality before you bloviate nonsense about Social Security and Medicare.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

My grandfather worked thirty five years in a Pottery. His lifetime earnings would not have approached your pie-in-the-Sky figure of 1.5 million.

do the numbers instead of lying. Look up average salary invested for 45 years and tell us what you get!!

 

[Nosmo King]

In the example of civil rights, it was state governments that instituted JimCrow. It was the federal government that eliminated it.

in the example of all of human history it was federal governments that were the source of evil killing hundreds of millions of innocent people thus our genius Founders sought to limit federal govt as much as possible to a few enumerated powers.

In the example of all human history, the forms of government were either repressive monarchies or other authoritarian regimes. Conservative economic and social policies have both enriched the wealthy, repressed worker's rights and oppressed minorities. Congratulations on you consistency.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

A liberal is a snowflake when he's by himself and a thug when he's in a mob.

true!! violence is their only weapon they have no reason. Middlebury College was a perfect example!!

 

[Nosmo King]

My grandfather worked thirty five years in a Pottery. His lifetime earnings would not have approached your pie-in-the-Sky figure of 1.5 million.

do the numbers instead of lying. Look up average salary invested for 45 years and tell us what you get!!

He simply did not have the means after raising four kids, buying his own home and paying his bills.

I'm so glad for you that you have sufficient income to invest. Not everyone has been as lucky as you.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

In the example of all human history, the forms of government were either repressive monarchies or other authoritarian regimes.

yes why do you think our liberals spied for Stalin and Hitler?? The more liberal or authoritarian a govt is the more magic it has. Now do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

He simply did not have the means after raising four kids, buying his own home and paying his bills.

dear, if you work the liberal govt steals 15% of your income which on average would yield $1.4 million. Now do you understand?

 

[Nosmo King]

In the example of all human history, the forms of government were either repressive monarchies or other authoritarian regimes.

yes why do you think our liberals spied for Stalin and Hitler?? The more liberal or authoritarian a govt is the more magic it has. Now do you understand?

Tell us about A,erican Linerals spying for Hitler. Liberals were the vanguard against Fascism. Liberals fought against Fascist Franco in Spain while Conservatives were Isolationists

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

He simply did not have the means after raising four kids, buying his own home and paying his bills.

dear, if you work the liberal govt steals 15% of your income which on average would yield $1.4 million. Now do you understand? Did he get $1.4 million or dog food money?? Did he live to even collect a penny?

 

[Nosmo King]

He simply did not have the means after raising four kids, buying his own home and paying his bills.

dear, if you work the liberal govt steals 15% of your income which on average would yield $1.4 million. Now do you understand?

Not if your entire lifetime earnings don't come close to $1.5 million. Not everyone is an attorney, physician, certified public accountant or has a father giving him a small loan of one million dollars to kickstart his career in real estate development.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Tell us about A,erican Linerals spying for Hitler. Liberals were the vanguard against Fascism. Liberals fought against Fascist Franco in Spain while Conservatives were Isolationists

Oh so Hitler was a bad guy but Stalin was a good guy and it was ok to spy for him will he was slowly starving 60 million to death, and then giving him the bomb??

 

[Nosmo King]

Tell us about A,erican Linerals spying for Hitler. Liberals were the vanguard against Fascism. Liberals fought against Fascist Franco in Spain while Conservatives were Isolationists

Oh so Hitler was a bad guy but Stalin was a good guy and it was ok to spy for him will he was slowly starving 60 million to death, and then giving him the bomb??

I won't claim Liberals did not spy for Stalin. I won't equivocate the vices and virtues of Hitler's or Stalin. But claiming Liberals spied for Hitler is patently ridiculous.