What gives us the right?

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia?

The State should not impose sexuality on consenting adults. The state should preserve maximum choice for the individual. Hatred of gays stems from barbaric social customs and pre-modern texts like the Bible, which endorsed slavery and sexism and is filled with bad science that leads people to believe that sexual desire is a cognitive process rather than an instinctual response.

The state should not impose religion either. It should not use public resources like high schools to impose a Christian vision. It should remain neutral and let each individual decide for himself what is sacred. Government should be run like a vending machine which merely supplies contracts, infrastructure, national defense, and law enforcement which protects property. It's not government's job to define love or God for two consenting adults. Don't give Big Government the power to define the Sacred. You need to have more faith in freedom. You need to accept the consequences of moving government out of the way and letting consenting adults choose what to do with their bodies in the privacy of their sexual behavior, which is none of your business.

There mere fact that my neighbor is gay doesn't constitute an imposition on my life. Why? because my life has nothing to do with what kind of love or sexuality he practices with another consenting adult. He deserves privacy, but you want to peer in his windows. You want to place a government agent at the foot of every bed. You want to turn the wombs of women into an incubator for Jesus, and put the government's greasy hands inside woman in order to pull out God's glorious seed. I, on the other hand, want to move government out of the way and let the individual make adult decisions so that he can face God on his own, without intervention by the nanny state or the moral Big Brother. You want the biggest government of all. You belong in the Soviet Union

Very good, I would also like to add that the rightists are not the paragons of virtue they like to imagine themselves to be. They think they own the moral high ground while being just as immoral as any group of fallible humans. Hypocrite, thy name is "proud conservative". Jesus had a few words on being a moralizing jackass: "remove the beam from your own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else's eye".

Yep.

Let me explain to you the most fundamental principle of ["Conservative"]American foreign policy: Any country where the people have unpronounceable names can be bombed by the US with impunity. For you Rockwell readers who are a little slow on the uptake, "impunity" means they aren't allowed to bomb us back. "We called no tag-backs." It hardly qualifies as impunity when they blow up our biggest buildings, now does it? They aren't playing by the rules."

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What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia?

The State should not impose sexuality on consenting adults. The state should preserve maximum choice for the individual. Hatred of gays stems from barbaric social customs and pre-modern texts like the Bible, which endorsed slavery and sexism and is filled with bad science that leads people to believe that sexual desire is a cognitive process rather than an instinctual response.

The state should not impose religion either. It should not use public resources like high schools to impose a Christian vision. It should remain neutral and let each individual decide for himself what is sacred. Government should be run like a vending machine which merely supplies contracts, infrastructure, national defense, and law enforcement which protects property. It's not government's job to define love or God for two consenting adults. Don't give Big Government the power to define the Sacred. You need to have more faith in freedom. You need to accept the consequences of moving government out of the way and letting consenting adults choose what to do with their bodies in the privacy of their sexual behavior, which is none of your business.

The mere fact that my neighbor is gay doesn't constitute an imposition on my life. Why? because my life has nothing to do with what kind of love or sexuality he practices with another consenting adult. He doesn't have the power to hurt my marriage, nor does a silly Big Government Marriage Contract. Why? He deserves privacy, but you want to peer in his windows. You want to place a government agent at the foot of every bed. You want to turn the wombs of women into an incubator for Jesus, and put the government's greasy hands inside woman in order to pull out God's glorious seed. I, on the other hand, want to move government out of the way and let the individual make adult decisions so that he can face God on his own, without intervention by the nanny state or the moral Big Brother. You want the biggest government of all. You belong in the Soviet Union

nice rant, but you once again display a total intolerance of any beliefs but yours.

what makes your beliefs superior to mine or anyone elses?

your insulting insinuations just prove how intolerant you are.

You libs demand acceptance and tolerance, but you never display it.

You decree that homosexuality is normal and that we MUST accept it. Who the fuck are you that you can mandate how other people think and bellieve?

you are hypocrites.
 
The State should not impose sexuality on consenting adults. The state should preserve maximum choice for the individual. Hatred of gays stems from barbaric social customs and pre-modern texts like the Bible, which endorsed slavery and sexism and is filled with bad science that leads people to believe that sexual desire is a cognitive process rather than an instinctual response.

The state should not impose religion either. It should not use public resources like high schools to impose a Christian vision. It should remain neutral and let each individual decide for himself what is sacred. Government should be run like a vending machine which merely supplies contracts, infrastructure, national defense, and law enforcement which protects property. It's not government's job to define love or God for two consenting adults. Don't give Big Government the power to define the Sacred. You need to have more faith in freedom. You need to accept the consequences of moving government out of the way and letting consenting adults choose what to do with their bodies in the privacy of their sexual behavior, which is none of your business.

There mere fact that my neighbor is gay doesn't constitute an imposition on my life. Why? because my life has nothing to do with what kind of love or sexuality he practices with another consenting adult. He deserves privacy, but you want to peer in his windows. You want to place a government agent at the foot of every bed. You want to turn the wombs of women into an incubator for Jesus, and put the government's greasy hands inside woman in order to pull out God's glorious seed. I, on the other hand, want to move government out of the way and let the individual make adult decisions so that he can face God on his own, without intervention by the nanny state or the moral Big Brother. You want the biggest government of all. You belong in the Soviet Union

Very good, I would also like to add that the rightists are not the paragons of virtue they like to imagine themselves to be. They think they own the moral high ground while being just as immoral as any group of fallible humans. Hypocrite, thy name is "proud conservative". Jesus had a few words on being a moralizing jackass: "remove the beam from your own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else's eye".

Yep.

Let me explain to you the most fundamental principle of ["Conservative"]American foreign policy: Any country where the people have unpronounceable names can be bombed by the US with impunity. For you Rockwell readers who are a little slow on the uptake, "impunity" means they aren't allowed to bomb us back. "We called no tag-backs." It hardly qualifies as impunity when they blow up our biggest buildings, now does it? They aren't playing by the rules."

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I guess that explains why Kennedy and Johnson killed thousands of vietnamese and 58,000 americans for nothing. Did I miss something, were kennedy and johnson closet conservatives?
 
Nothing. Russia is well known for human rights abuses and this issue is no different.

Just be glad you live in the US where we have the constitutionally guaranteed equality for all of us. Be grateful that your own country fights for equality, where diversity is welcomed and celebrated and where no one would ever believe they have the right to impose heterosexuality on anyone.

I think the real question is, will Putin ever come out of the closet?

Oh yeah, and what's this about us 'sending a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong'? Are you really saying the United States sent some sort of official delegation to Russia to "tell them they are wrong"?

U.S. Olympic delegation: ?We?re not chopped liver? - The Washington Post

Its the arrogance that we display that pisses off the rest of the world. Who do we think we are that we can force our views and morals on the rest of the world?

And at the same time our president hosts a muslim prayer breakfast knowing that homosexuality gets capital punishment in many muslim countries.

Can't you see the hypocrisy?

Can you show where that article states it has anything to do with homosexuality?
 
Nothing. Russia is well known for human rights abuses and this issue is no different.

Just be glad you live in the US where we have the constitutionally guaranteed equality for all of us. Be grateful that your own country fights for equality, where diversity is welcomed and celebrated and where no one would ever believe they have the right to impose heterosexuality on anyone.

I think the real question is, will Putin ever come out of the closet?

Oh yeah, and what's this about us 'sending a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong'? Are you really saying the United States sent some sort of official delegation to Russia to "tell them they are wrong"?

U.S. Olympic delegation: ?We?re not chopped liver? - The Washington Post

Its the arrogance that we display that pisses off the rest of the world. Who do we think we are that we can force our views and morals on the rest of the world?

And at the same time our president hosts a muslim prayer breakfast knowing that homosexuality gets capital punishment in many muslim countries.

Can't you see the hypocrisy?

Can you show where that article states it has anything to do with homosexuality?

did you read it? Nepolitano is a lesbian. :eusa_whistle:
 
What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia?

The State should not impose sexuality on consenting adults. The state should preserve maximum choice for the individual. Hatred of gays stems from barbaric social customs and pre-modern texts like the Bible, which endorsed slavery and sexism and is filled with bad science that leads people to believe that sexual desire is a cognitive process rather than an instinctual response.

The state should not impose religion either. It should not use public resources like high schools to impose a Christian vision. It should remain neutral and let each individual decide for himself what is sacred. Government should be run like a vending machine which merely supplies contracts, infrastructure, national defense, and law enforcement which protects property. It's not government's job to define love or God for two consenting adults. Don't give Big Government the power to define the Sacred. You need to have more faith in freedom. You need to accept the consequences of moving government out of the way and letting consenting adults choose what to do with their bodies in the privacy of their sexual behavior, which is none of your business.

The mere fact that my neighbor is gay doesn't constitute an imposition on my life. Why? because my life has nothing to do with what kind of love or sexuality he practices with another consenting adult. He doesn't have the power to hurt my marriage, nor does a silly Big Government Marriage Contract. Why? He deserves privacy, but you want to peer in his windows. You want to place a government agent at the foot of every bed. You want to turn the wombs of women into an incubator for Jesus, and put the government's greasy hands inside woman in order to pull out God's glorious seed. I, on the other hand, want to move government out of the way and let the individual make adult decisions so that he can face God on his own, without intervention by the nanny state or the moral Big Brother. You want the biggest government of all. You belong in the Soviet Union

nice rant, but you once again display a total intolerance of any beliefs but yours.

what makes your beliefs superior to mine or anyone elses?

your insulting insinuations just prove how intolerant you are.

You libs demand acceptance and tolerance, but you never display it.

You decree that homosexuality is normal and that we MUST accept it. Who the fuck are you that you can mandate how other people think and bellieve?

you are hypocrites.
Accepting intolerance and oppression is the same as approving of it and is otherwise know as apathy. You and your kind will not be allowed to draw the line of freedom where your limited ability to let people go to hell in their own way ends.
 
The State should not impose sexuality on consenting adults. The state should preserve maximum choice for the individual. Hatred of gays stems from barbaric social customs and pre-modern texts like the Bible, which endorsed slavery and sexism and is filled with bad science that leads people to believe that sexual desire is a cognitive process rather than an instinctual response.

The state should not impose religion either. It should not use public resources like high schools to impose a Christian vision. It should remain neutral and let each individual decide for himself what is sacred. Government should be run like a vending machine which merely supplies contracts, infrastructure, national defense, and law enforcement which protects property. It's not government's job to define love or God for two consenting adults. Don't give Big Government the power to define the Sacred. You need to have more faith in freedom. You need to accept the consequences of moving government out of the way and letting consenting adults choose what to do with their bodies in the privacy of their sexual behavior, which is none of your business.

The mere fact that my neighbor is gay doesn't constitute an imposition on my life. Why? because my life has nothing to do with what kind of love or sexuality he practices with another consenting adult. He doesn't have the power to hurt my marriage, nor does a silly Big Government Marriage Contract. Why? He deserves privacy, but you want to peer in his windows. You want to place a government agent at the foot of every bed. You want to turn the wombs of women into an incubator for Jesus, and put the government's greasy hands inside woman in order to pull out God's glorious seed. I, on the other hand, want to move government out of the way and let the individual make adult decisions so that he can face God on his own, without intervention by the nanny state or the moral Big Brother. You want the biggest government of all. You belong in the Soviet Union

nice rant, but you once again display a total intolerance of any beliefs but yours.

what makes your beliefs superior to mine or anyone elses?

your insulting insinuations just prove how intolerant you are.

You libs demand acceptance and tolerance, but you never display it.

You decree that homosexuality is normal and that we MUST accept it. Who the fuck are you that you can mandate how other people think and bellieve?

you are hypocrites.
Accepting intolerance and oppression is the same as approving of it and is otherwise know as apathy. You and your kind will not be allowed to draw the line of freedom where your limited ability to let people go to hell in their own way ends.

I do not accept your intolerance, I do not accept your oppression. I do not approve of your socialist attempts at thought control in the name of PC.

YOU and your kind will not be allowed to decree how others think and what others believe.

I do not care how you think, what you believe, or what you do behind closed doors. I may think its wrong, but I don't care if you do it. By the same token, I will not sanction it or pretend that I approve of it.
 
nice rant, but you once again display a total intolerance of any beliefs but yours.

what makes your beliefs superior to mine or anyone elses?

your insulting insinuations just prove how intolerant you are.

You libs demand acceptance and tolerance, but you never display it.

You decree that homosexuality is normal and that we MUST accept it. Who the fuck are you that you can mandate how other people think and bellieve?

you are hypocrites.
Accepting intolerance and oppression is the same as approving of it and is otherwise know as apathy. You and your kind will not be allowed to draw the line of freedom where your limited ability to let people go to hell in their own way ends.

I do not accept your intolerance, I do not accept your oppression. I do not approve of your socialist attempts at thought control in the name of PC.

YOU and your kind will not be allowed to decree how others think and what others believe.

I do not care how you think, what you believe, or what you do behind closed doors. I may think its wrong, but I don't care if you do it. By the same token, I will not sanction it or pretend that I approve of it.

Not telling you how to think, you can think horrible things of people you do not even know all you want, you just can't make rules and laws to punish them for offending you.
 
Accepting intolerance and oppression is the same as approving of it and is otherwise know as apathy. You and your kind will not be allowed to draw the line of freedom where your limited ability to let people go to hell in their own way ends.

I do not accept your intolerance, I do not accept your oppression. I do not approve of your socialist attempts at thought control in the name of PC.

YOU and your kind will not be allowed to decree how others think and what others believe.

I do not care how you think, what you believe, or what you do behind closed doors. I may think its wrong, but I don't care if you do it. By the same token, I will not sanction it or pretend that I approve of it.

Not telling you how to think, you can think horrible things of people you do not even know all you want, you just can't make rules and laws to punish them for offending you.

Of course not, but that exactly what the left wants to do. They want to punish a private business for not wanting to do a wedding cake for a gay marriage----is that freedom and tolerance?
 
Very good, I would also like to add that the rightists are not the paragons of virtue they like to imagine themselves to be. They think they own the moral high ground while being just as immoral as any group of fallible humans. Hypocrite, thy name is "proud conservative". Jesus had a few words on being a moralizing jackass: "remove the beam from your own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else's eye".

Yep.

Let me explain to you the most fundamental principle of ["Conservative"]American foreign policy: Any country where the people have unpronounceable names can be bombed by the US with impunity. For you Rockwell readers who are a little slow on the uptake, "impunity" means they aren't allowed to bomb us back. "We called no tag-backs." It hardly qualifies as impunity when they blow up our biggest buildings, now does it? They aren't playing by the rules."

.

I guess that explains why Kennedy and Johnson killed thousands of vietnamese and 58,000 americans for nothing. Did I miss something, were kennedy and johnson closet conservatives?

Indeed, it was Johnson's own kowtowing to conservatism on foreign policy that caused the New Deal coalition to fragment — by supporting the disastrous Vietnam War to win over the right wings of both parties

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I do not accept your intolerance, I do not accept your oppression. I do not approve of your socialist attempts at thought control in the name of PC.

YOU and your kind will not be allowed to decree how others think and what others believe.

I do not care how you think, what you believe, or what you do behind closed doors. I may think its wrong, but I don't care if you do it. By the same token, I will not sanction it or pretend that I approve of it.

Not telling you how to think, you can think horrible things of people you do not even know all you want, you just can't make rules and laws to punish them for offending you.

Of course not, but that exactly what the left wants to do. They want to punish a private business for not wanting to do a wedding cake for a gay marriage----is that freedom and tolerance?

Not really sure what you are talking about, is it perhaps just some bad press you are referring to as punishment? What does that have to do with making christian dogma carry the force of law as the right constantly tries to do? How is that not trying to control thoughts?
 
Indeed, it was Johnson's own kowtowing to conservatism on foreign policy that caused the New Deal coalition to fragment — by supporting the disastrous Vietnam War to win over the right wings of both parties .

Full disclosure: The author writes for PolicyMic and "is a Ph.D. student in history at Lehigh University as well as a political columnist. His editorials have been published in "The Morning Call," "The Express-Times," "The Newark Star-Ledger," "The Baltimore Sun," and various college newspapers and blogs. I actively encourage people to reach out to me at [email protected]." He is a losertarian.
 
Not telling you how to think, you can think horrible things of people you do not even know all you want, you just can't make rules and laws to punish them for offending you.

Of course not, but that exactly what the left wants to do. They want to punish a private business for not wanting to do a wedding cake for a gay marriage----is that freedom and tolerance?

Not really sure what you are talking about, is it perhaps just some bad press you are referring to as punishment? What does that have to do with making christian dogma carry the force of law as the right constantly tries to do? How is that not trying to control thoughts?

NO. they are going to sue the company for discrimination.

A private company does not have the freedom to forego a profit because they do not approve of the lifestyle of the potential customer.

Is that freedom? yes or no.
 
What gives us the right?

What says we can't, hmmmm

Nothing, sticking our nose in other people's business and trying to tell the rest of the world how to live is why we are hated almost everywhere.

Oh, they pretend to like us as long as the foreign aid dollars keep flowing, but in truth they see us as the biggest suckers on the planet.
 
Of course not, but that exactly what the left wants to do. They want to punish a private business for not wanting to do a wedding cake for a gay marriage----is that freedom and tolerance?

Not really sure what you are talking about, is it perhaps just some bad press you are referring to as punishment? What does that have to do with making christian dogma carry the force of law as the right constantly tries to do? How is that not trying to control thoughts?

NO. they are going to sue the company for discrimination.

A private company does not have the freedom to forego a profit because they do not approve of the lifestyle of the potential customer.

Is that freedom? yes or no.

People are free to sue other people for anything, doesn't mean they will win, so yeah it's freedom, you just don't like it.
 
Of course not, but that exactly what the left wants to do. They want to punish a private business for not wanting to do a wedding cake for a gay marriage----is that freedom and tolerance?

Not really sure what you are talking about, is it perhaps just some bad press you are referring to as punishment? What does that have to do with making christian dogma carry the force of law as the right constantly tries to do? How is that not trying to control thoughts?

NO. they are going to sue the company for discrimination.

A private company does not have the freedom to forego a profit because they do not approve of the lifestyle of the potential customer.

Is that freedom? yes or no.

No company can discriminate against protected classes.

However, does LGBT protection override 1st Amendment religious liberties?

This is not settled law . . . yet.
 
Yep.

Let me explain to you the most fundamental principle of ["Conservative"]American foreign policy: Any country where the people have unpronounceable names can be bombed by the US with impunity. For you Rockwell readers who are a little slow on the uptake, "impunity" means they aren't allowed to bomb us back. "We called no tag-backs." It hardly qualifies as impunity when they blow up our biggest buildings, now does it? They aren't playing by the rules."

.

I guess that explains why Kennedy and Johnson killed thousands of vietnamese and 58,000 americans for nothing. Did I miss something, were kennedy and johnson closet conservatives?

Indeed, it was Johnson's own kowtowing to conservatism on foreign policy that caused the New Deal coalition to fragment — by supporting the disastrous Vietnam War to win over the right wings of both parties

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horseshit---even jake the snake agrees.
 
What gives us the right?

What says we can't, hmmmm

Nothing, sticking our nose in other people's business and trying to tell the rest of the world how to live is why we are hated almost everywhere.

Oh, they pretend to like us as long as the foreign aid dollars keep flowing, but in truth they see us as the biggest suckers on the planet.

I agree with most of that. But the neo-cons don't. Witness Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Not really sure what you are talking about, is it perhaps just some bad press you are referring to as punishment? What does that have to do with making christian dogma carry the force of law as the right constantly tries to do? How is that not trying to control thoughts?

NO. they are going to sue the company for discrimination.

A private company does not have the freedom to forego a profit because they do not approve of the lifestyle of the potential customer.

Is that freedom? yes or no.

No company can discriminate against protected classes.

However, does LGBT protection override 1st Amendment religious liberties?

This is not settled law . . . yet.

so the cake maker can refuse to do a cake for a man/woman couple, but not for a gay couple? does that really sound like freedom and equality to you?
 

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