What gives us the right?

[NYcarbineer]

deflection attempt--------failed. Federal laws apply to all states.

back to topic, what gives us the right to try to change Russia's views on homosexuality?

The same principle that gives you the right to bitch about it. What gives you that right?

the first amendment.

So that's your answer to your own question?

So what was the point of the thread?

 

[PredFan]

In case you haven't noticed, the US has changed its policies on gays.

and thats just fine. the question is what gives us the right to force our policies on the rest of the world?

The use of force is not involved.

Irrelevant.

 

[Redfish]

The fact that you and most others on the right envy the authoritarian state that is Russia today, and its ability to violate the human rights of gay individuals, is both telling and unsurprising.

It’s also very telling that during the Soviet Era you and other conservatives believed you had to right to dictate to Russia that they ‘tear down walls’ and afford human rights to the Russian people, including Soviet Jews.

So the actual question is: what is it about gay Russians that they not sustain the same human rights you and other conservatives demanded for the Soviet people.

nice spin attempt, but off topic.

I don't envy the Russian style of government. The question is what gives us the right to tell them they are wrong and we are right.

the Berlin wall episode with political not moral.

We need to get over the idea that we are the world's police force and morals enforcer. It is costing us billions and making enemies everywhere.

Of course America has the moral authority to tell other countries what's right and wrong. This is the most free and human country on the planet.

Again, what gives us the right to claim that our morals and standards are superior to those of other countries?

you are being hypocritical when you say that because you would be the first to condemn any muslims who claimed that their religion was superior and should be imposed on the entire world.

 

[Rocko]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

So you're saying we shouldn't use our influence to promote human rights across the globe?

No, he's asking what gives us the right to. We who ignore the persecution of certain groups and whine about the persecution of others.

Well that's true. In some other parts of the world we have less influence though. We should however be more consistent.

 

[PredFan]

What gives our government the right to tell Alabama it can't segregate its schools anymore?

last time I checked, Alabama was part of the USA.

Are you unaware of those who claim 'states' rights'?

Irrelevant.

 

[Redfish]

The same principle that gives you the right to bitch about it. What gives you that right?

the first amendment.

Which just happens to be the same thing you want to take away from other Americans.

The constitution of the USA does not apply outside the USA. Americans do not have free speech in Saudi Arabia for instance.

 

[Iceweasel]

The fact that you and most others on the right envy the authoritarian state that is Russia today, and its ability to violate the human rights of gay individuals, is both telling and unsurprising.

The mindless leftwing drivel is unsurprising. The right typically favors smaller government. And how is that supporting human rights abuse if you don't want to use the Olympics to make political statements? Disagreeing with the left is not synonomous with evil regardless of what you've been taught.

It’s also very telling that during the Soviet Era you and other conservatives believed you had to right to dictate to Russia that they ‘tear down walls’ and afford human rights to the Russian people, including Soviet Jews.

The cold war transcended sexual preferences. Hard for you to imagine apparently, but true.

So the actual question is: what is it about gay Russians that they not sustain the same human rights you and other conservatives demanded for the Soviet people.

How do they not have the same rights? If they are being thrown in the Gulag for sodomy I would be against it but it isn't the same thing as fighting world domination of Solviet communism. If the Russian population wants gay marriage they should have it but how do we in the US vote it in when we don't have all of our states recognizing it? Are you advocating a Russia takeover?

 

[PredFan]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

The fact that you and most others on the right envy the authoritarian state that is Russia today, and its ability to violate the human rights of gay individuals, is both telling and unsurprising.

It’s also very telling that during the Soviet Era you and other conservatives believed you had to right to dictate to Russia that they ‘tear down walls’ and afford human rights to the Russian people, including Soviet Jews.

So the actual question is: what is it about gay Russians that they not sustain the same human rights you and other conservatives demanded for the Soviet people.

The irrelevant stupidity from you.

 

[Redfish]

As usual, the right is against equal rights and the left is in favor of them.

BUT, I still haven't seen any evidence that the US is trying to force or change Russia's human rights abuses.

By making a big deal out of some of our athletes being gay, we are trying to make the olympics a forum for politics. What gives us the right to do that in another country?

What gives us the right to claim moral superiority?

 

[PredFan]

Are you unaware of those who claim 'states' rights'?

deflection attempt--------failed. Federal laws apply to all states.

back to topic, what gives us the right to try to change Russia's views on homosexuality?

The same principle that gives you the right to bitch about it. What gives you that right?

Wrong dumbass. Go troll some other thread.

 

[PredFan]

The fact that you and most others on the right envy the authoritarian state that is Russia today, and its ability to violate the human rights of gay individuals, is both telling and unsurprising.

It’s also very telling that during the Soviet Era you and other conservatives believed you had to right to dictate to Russia that they ‘tear down walls’ and afford human rights to the Russian people, including Soviet Jews.

So the actual question is: what is it about gay Russians that they not sustain the same human rights you and other conservatives demanded for the Soviet people.

nice spin attempt, but off topic.

I don't envy the Russian style of government. The question is what gives us the right to tell them they are wrong and we are right.

the Berlin wall episode with political not moral.

We need to get over the idea that we are the world's police force and morals enforcer. It is costing us billions and making enemies everywhere.

Of course America has the moral authority to tell other countries what's right and wrong. This is the most free and human country on the planet.

Wow! Well, at least it was on topic.

Wow!

 

[Rocko]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

So you're saying we shouldn't use our influence to promote human rights across the globe?

No, he's asking what gives us the right to. We who ignore the persecution of certain groups and whine about the persecution of others.

nice spin attempt, but off topic.

I don't envy the Russian style of government. The question is what gives us the right to tell them they are wrong and we are right.

the Berlin wall episode with political not moral.

We need to get over the idea that we are the world's police force and morals enforcer. It is costing us billions and making enemies everywhere.

Of course America has the moral authority to tell other countries what's right and wrong. This is the most free and human country on the planet.

Again, what gives us the right to claim that our morals and standards are superior to those of other countries?

you are being hypocritical when you say that because you would be the first to condemn any muslims who claimed that their religion was superior and should be imposed on the entire world.

Do you believe in American exceptionalism? I do. We should promote our model of freedom and human rights, while at the same time respect the sovereignty of other nations.

 

[Katzndogz]

As usual, the right is against equal rights and the left is in favor of them.

BUT, I still haven't seen any evidence that the US is trying to force or change Russia's human rights abuses.

By making a big deal out of some of our athletes being gay, we are trying to make the olympics a forum for politics. What gives us the right to do that in another country?

What gives us the right to claim moral superiority?

No one who claims that homosexuality is normal behavior has anything remotely like superior morals.

 

[occupied]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

Arbitrary laws based on prejudice and hate should be fought wherever they occur. Russia used to be an example of everything that is wrong with governance before and after the iron curtain fell and now it just about makes me sick to see American conservatives yearning for that kind of authoritarian malice in our own government and actually admiring a fucking bloodthirsty Russian dictator, now that's perverted.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

So you're saying we shouldn't use our influence to promote human rights across the globe?

No, he's asking what gives us the right to. We who ignore the persecution of certain groups and whine about the persecution of others.

Then what denies us that right? Or, what should deny us that right?

Just to be clear, the only 'action' here has been some vocal advocacy for gay rights.

 

[Votto]

Nothing. Russia is well known for human rights abuses and this issue is no different.

Just be glad you live in the US where we have the constitutionally guaranteed equality for all of us. Be grateful that your own country fights for equality, where diversity is welcomed and celebrated and where no one would ever believe they have the right to impose heterosexuality on anyone.

I think the real question is, will Putin ever come out of the closet?

Oh yeah, and what's this about us 'sending a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong'? Are you really saying the United States sent some sort of official delegation to Russia to "tell them they are wrong"?

Indeed. A country that has wiped out two major cities using WMD's, imprisoned innocent Japanese Americans, and has killed over 50 million innocent unborn children since Roe vs. Wade.

Salute!!!!

 

[PredFan]

As usual, the right is against equal rights and the left is in favor of them.

BUT, I still haven't seen any evidence that the US is trying to force or change Russia's human rights abuses.

That's one of your many problems, you aren't capable if seeing much.

 

[Redfish]

So you're saying we shouldn't use our influence to promote human rights across the globe?

No, he's asking what gives us the right to. We who ignore the persecution of certain groups and whine about the persecution of others.

Of course America has the moral authority to tell other countries what's right and wrong. This is the most free and human country on the planet.

Again, what gives us the right to claim that our morals and standards are superior to those of other countries?

you are being hypocritical when you say that because you would be the first to condemn any muslims who claimed that their religion was superior and should be imposed on the entire world.

Do you believe in American exceptionalism? I do. We should promote our model of freedom and human rights, while at the same time respect the sovereignty of other nations.

I believe that the USA is the greatest country in the history of the world. It is great because its people are free.

Promoting our model of freedom by example is different from trying to force our views on other countries. Each country should have the right to establish its own culture, ethics and views of right and wrong.

When we claim moral superiority it only pisses people off.

 

[PredFan]

The same principle that gives you the right to bitch about it. What gives you that right?

the first amendment.

So that's your answer to your own question?

So what was the point of the thread?

So the first amendment to OUR Constitution give us the right to police the world? That's a new level of ignorance for you.

 

[Votto]

the first amendment.

Which just happens to be the same thing you want to take away from other Americans.

The constitution of the USA does not apply outside the USA. Americans do not have free speech in Saudi Arabia for instance.

The Russians are trying to encourage population growth. They see future generations as their greatest resource and the key to world dominance once again.

Conversely, the US sees its future generations as a drain on the welfare system and a burden on mother earths natural resources and increased carbon footprints. As a result, they US promotes abortion and gay rights and Russia is doing the opposite.