What gives us the right?

[PredFan]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

Arbitrary laws based on prejudice and hate should be fought wherever they occur. Russia used to be an example of everything that is wrong with governance before and after the iron curtain fell and now it just about makes me sick to see American conservatives yearning for that kind of authoritarian malice in our own government and actually admiring a fucking bloodthirsty Russian dictator, now that's perverted.

No one yearns for that kind of governance. That's just something you idiot liberals made up.

 

[Bombur]

Which just happens to be the same thing you want to take away from other Americans.

The constitution of the USA does not apply outside the USA. Americans do not have free speech in Saudi Arabia for instance.

The Russians are trying to encourage population growth. They see future generations as their greatest resource and the key to world dominance once again.

Conversely, the US sees its future generations as a drain on the welfare system and a burden on mother earths natural resources and increased carbon footprints. As a result, they US promotes abortion and gay rights and Russia is doing the opposite.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children. Gay rights matter because they are people and the rights of all people matter. If you want to make the issue about abortion then there is no doubt that having more couples that are willing to adopt is a good thing.

Also praising the government for pushing gay men into marrying women just to keep the population increasing is crazy town.

 

[NYcarbineer]

deflection attempt--------failed. Federal laws apply to all states.

back to topic, what gives us the right to try to change Russia's views on homosexuality?

The same principle that gives you the right to bitch about it. What gives you that right?

Wrong dumbass. Go troll some other thread.

So there's a difference between bitching about Russia's persecution of homosexuals,

and bitching about people who bitch about Russia's persecution of homosexuals?

Could you entertain us with an explanation of the difference?

 

[Redfish]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

Arbitrary laws based on prejudice and hate should be fought wherever they occur. Russia used to be an example of everything that is wrong with governance before and after the iron curtain fell and now it just about makes me sick to see American conservatives yearning for that kind of authoritarian malice in our own government and actually admiring a fucking bloodthirsty Russian dictator, now that's perverted.

You are very confused. our current president has ignored laws that he personally signed, changed laws that he personally signed, taken unconstitutional actions, and weakened us internationally. Its you on the left who are supporting a dictatorial government.

The comparison between Putin and Obama is simple----Putin is a man, obama is a pussy boy. That is not to say that I admire what Putin has done, think he is a good guy, or support any of his poilicies. But he is a leader, Obama is not.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The constitution of the USA does not apply outside the USA. Americans do not have free speech in Saudi Arabia for instance.

The Russians are trying to encourage population growth. They see future generations as their greatest resource and the key to world dominance once again.

Conversely, the US sees its future generations as a drain on the welfare system and a burden on mother earths natural resources and increased carbon footprints. As a result, they US promotes abortion and gay rights and Russia is doing the opposite.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children. Gay rights matter because they are people and the rights of all people matter. If you want to make the issue about abortion then there is no doubt that having more couples that are willing to adopt is a good thing.

Also praising the government for pushing gay men into marrying women just to keep the population increasing is crazy town.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children.

not just neglected children but any child up for adoption

however that does not add to the population

 

[occupied]

All this love for Russian authoritarianism, Ronald Reagan would be ashamed of all of you.

 

[PredFan]

So you're saying we shouldn't use our influence to promote human rights across the globe?

No, he's asking what gives us the right to. We who ignore the persecution of certain groups and whine about the persecution of others.

Then what denies us that right? Or, what should deny us that right?

Just to be clear, the only 'action' here has been some vocal advocacy for gay rights.

You answer a question with a question I see. Let me spell it out for you as simply as I can. We ignore the human rights violations that we want to, and promote the ones we want to. That kind of hypocrisy denies us the right to police others.

 

[PredFan]

The same principle that gives you the right to bitch about it. What gives you that right?

Wrong dumbass. Go troll some other thread.

So there's a difference between bitching about Russia's persecution of homosexuals,

and bitching about people who bitch about Russia's persecution of homosexuals?

Could you entertain us with an explanation of the difference?

No, because its irrelevant.

 

[Redfish]

The constitution of the USA does not apply outside the USA. Americans do not have free speech in Saudi Arabia for instance.

The Russians are trying to encourage population growth. They see future generations as their greatest resource and the key to world dominance once again.

Conversely, the US sees its future generations as a drain on the welfare system and a burden on mother earths natural resources and increased carbon footprints. As a result, they US promotes abortion and gay rights and Russia is doing the opposite.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children. Gay rights matter because they are people and the rights of all people matter. If you want to make the issue about abortion then there is no doubt that having more couples that are willing to adopt is a good thing.

Also praising the government for pushing gay men into marrying women just to keep the population increasing is crazy town.

A large segment of our society has concluded that homosexuality is normal and equivalent to heterosexuality. The majority view in any society should prevail.

This thread asks why we think that we have the right to force our views on the rest of the world, and particularily Russia during the Olympics.

 

[Bombur]

The Russians are trying to encourage population growth. They see future generations as their greatest resource and the key to world dominance once again.

Conversely, the US sees its future generations as a drain on the welfare system and a burden on mother earths natural resources and increased carbon footprints. As a result, they US promotes abortion and gay rights and Russia is doing the opposite.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children. Gay rights matter because they are people and the rights of all people matter. If you want to make the issue about abortion then there is no doubt that having more couples that are willing to adopt is a good thing.

Also praising the government for pushing gay men into marrying women just to keep the population increasing is crazy town.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children.

not just neglected children but any child up for adoption

however that does not add to the population

It takes care of the population we have.

Like I said before, having the government push gay people to marry women in order to increase the population is crazy. Talk about a massive overreach of government power.

 

[PredFan]

All this love for Russian authoritarianism, Ronald Reagan would be ashamed of all of you.

Point it out idiot. You can't because it only exists in your "mind".

 

[Redfish]

All this love for Russian authoritarianism, Ronald Reagan would be ashamed of all of you.

You totally missed the point.

 

[Bombur]

The Russians are trying to encourage population growth. They see future generations as their greatest resource and the key to world dominance once again.

Conversely, the US sees its future generations as a drain on the welfare system and a burden on mother earths natural resources and increased carbon footprints. As a result, they US promotes abortion and gay rights and Russia is doing the opposite.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children. Gay rights matter because they are people and the rights of all people matter. If you want to make the issue about abortion then there is no doubt that having more couples that are willing to adopt is a good thing.

Also praising the government for pushing gay men into marrying women just to keep the population increasing is crazy town.

A large segment of our society has concluded that homosexuality is normal and equivalent to heterosexuality. The majority view in any society should prevail.

This thread asks why we think that we have the right to force our views on the rest of the world, and particularily Russia during the Olympics.

The same reason we loved it when Jessie Owens kicked ass in Germany.

We are not going to hide who we are because someone else has decided that they can crap on the rights of their own citizens.

 

[Redfish]

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children. Gay rights matter because they are people and the rights of all people matter. If you want to make the issue about abortion then there is no doubt that having more couples that are willing to adopt is a good thing.

Also praising the government for pushing gay men into marrying women just to keep the population increasing is crazy town.

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children.

not just neglected children but any child up for adoption

however that does not add to the population

It takes care of the population we have.

Like I said before, having the government push gay people to marry women in order to increase the population is crazy. Talk about a massive overreach of government power.

Do you really think that a child with two daddys or two mommys is going to grow up well adjusted?

 

[Redfish]

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children. Gay rights matter because they are people and the rights of all people matter. If you want to make the issue about abortion then there is no doubt that having more couples that are willing to adopt is a good thing.

Also praising the government for pushing gay men into marrying women just to keep the population increasing is crazy town.

A large segment of our society has concluded that homosexuality is normal and equivalent to heterosexuality. The majority view in any society should prevail.

This thread asks why we think that we have the right to force our views on the rest of the world, and particularily Russia during the Olympics.

The same reason we loved it when Jessie Owens kicked ass in Germany.

We are not going to hide who we are because someone else has decided that they can crap on the rights of their own citizens.

Jesse Owens made his point on the athletic field, not with talk. Do you reallly not see the difference?

 

[occupied]

All this love for Russian authoritarianism, Ronald Reagan would be ashamed of all of you.

You totally missed the point.

I totally get the point, you guys hate gays more than you hate Russian tyrants who persecute them for sport.

 

[KNB]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

Homosexuality is normal. It's been around in every culture since before Jesus. How long does it take you to realize that your "God" made gay people? And if homosexuality is so atrocious, why didn't "God" make homosexuality one of the ten damnable sins?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

Who are the gay delegates that the US sent to Russia? Is there a list of names?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Muslims aren't any more wrong than Christians or Jews.
Why would you want to say a Christian prayer at a baseball game? Practice and teamwork will help you win a lot faster than asking Santa Claus to grant wishes. Do you really think an omnipotent timeless deity cares about a midwestern high school baseball game? "God" doesn't even care about the Super Bowl.
As for the persecution of Christians, get used to it. Since 9/11, your "Christian" nation has been bombing civilians in nine countries that weren't involved with 9/11. Iraqis felt pretty persecuted, especially the ones that were beaten to death in secret CIA torture prisons.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

YOU get all hung up on gays. Why is that? Normal people know that gay people aren't a threat to anything, and that's why the Russian government, the Taliban, and the Republican party are wrong.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

That happened a long time before the Sochi Olympics. Gay people didn't have anything to do with it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Actually if gay men are getting married they can become parents of neglected children.

not just neglected children but any child up for adoption

however that does not add to the population

It takes care of the population we have.

Like I said before, having the government push gay people to marry women in order to increase the population is crazy. Talk about a massive overreach of government power.

Do you really think that a child with two daddys or two mommys is going to grow up well adjusted?

Do you really think that a child with two daddys or two mommys is going to grow up well adjusted?

depends on the parents

i personally know a guy who had/has two dads

he gets along just fine

 

[NYcarbineer]

All this love for Russian authoritarianism, Ronald Reagan would be ashamed of all of you.

Leave to conservatives to find SOMETHING to like about the Russians.

 

[Bombur]

A large segment of our society has concluded that homosexuality is normal and equivalent to heterosexuality. The majority view in any society should prevail.

This thread asks why we think that we have the right to force our views on the rest of the world, and particularily Russia during the Olympics.

The same reason we loved it when Jessie Owens kicked ass in Germany.

We are not going to hide who we are because someone else has decided that they can crap on the rights of their own citizens.

Jesse Owens made his point on the athletic field, not with talk. Do you reallly not see the difference?

Yes because no one talked about it. At all. Not even a little bit.