What happens if Republicans manage to knock 20 million Americans off health care?

[owebo]

It got nothing right.

Except for pre existing conditions

Insurance is an assumption of risk for a possible future event, not an assumption of financial responsibility for an event that has previously occurred. What you have now is charity, not health care insurance.

except for letting kids be covered while they went to college

Yes, apparently the age of majority has been moved to 26, yet the little darlings can vote at 18. All kinds of damn sense there.

Except for states who actually supported Obamacare

Nice try, but rates will continue to inexorably rise if the program is left in place. How many insurance companies actually remain at this point?

What? Do you have any type of long time illness? Any injuries sustained from an accident that have lingering effects? I dealt with the preexisting condition thing before because of a car accident where I got injured and the other driver was under-insured. If you haven't dealt with the problem it is easy to sit back and complain. I have high blood pressure. It's a trait in my family, I couldn't really avoid it. I have a GI problem I have to get treatment for. So...if I lose my healthcare that I have now and have to switch to another? Yeah, I'm fucked. You think that's cool?

The age was raise to 26 because so many times it takes kids that long to finish their degree and get a job. Things today are different than before. You have to take more credit hours to graduate, not to mention doing most often free internships. Not to mention college based insurance was awful, unless you went to a college that had its own hospital like The Ohio State University.

States that support Obamacare actually use their energy to fight the insurance companies for lower rates, and work with the government to get things to work more like they should. In Republican states, they ignore what's going on with Obamacare and how it affects their citizens, instead spending all their time reporting how horrible things are and how they can get rid of it. Stop and think about that... they never wanted it in the first place, so why would they fight to make it better... when they can sit back and watch it fail so it can support their feelings from before and then give them more ammunition to get rid of it. Don't blame it all on Obamacare, blame your idiot Republican representatives that are being selfish about their egos.

In the face of 100%+ Obamacare premium increases, seems the free market was indeed the better path forward.....

I agree, I have never once been without health insurance since I can remember. Now however because of this redistribution of wealth program called the ACA, I have concerns about how I will be affording my care in the coming years.
Keeping kids on until 26 is a good thing I think, and I dont mind paying to keep my daughter on my policy until then. The key here is that I dont mind paying for her. Im not asking someone else to do that for me.
Those that benefit from the ACA are taking money from others to pay their bills. Its not right.
Pre existing is another tough one. True, there are conditions that would suggest forcing companies to take preexisting illness and cover it, however if that illness or need for medical care came about during a time when someone should have already been covering themselves, I find it hard to think it fair for others to have to help pay. You dont buy car insurance after the accident do you?
But the question as to what will happen if the ACA is scrapped? simple, it will go back to the way it was and I will no longer have concerns about my or my families care in the future.
If everyone took care of their own families we would not even have a need for this discussion.
And, while we are at it, we need to make it legal to toss non citizens out of the hospital if they do not have the means to pay for their care.

If we don't remove the .gov from HC, then it won't be free market.....

 

[Lewdog]

What? Do you have any type of long time illness? Any injuries sustained from an accident that have lingering effects? I dealt with the preexisting condition thing before because of a car accident where I got injured and the other driver was under-insured. If you haven't dealt with the problem it is easy to sit back and complain. I have high blood pressure. It's a trait in my family, I couldn't really avoid it. I have a GI problem I have to get treatment for. So...if I lose my healthcare that I have now and have to switch to another? Yeah, I'm fucked. You think that's cool?

The age was raise to 26 because so many times it takes kids that long to finish their degree and get a job. Things today are different than before. You have to take more credit hours to graduate, not to mention doing most often free internships. Not to mention college based insurance was awful, unless you went to a college that had its own hospital like The Ohio State University.

That is indeed unfortunate, but what does that have to do with anyone else? By what right does the government take money out of citizens' pockets, essentially at gunpoint, to pay for YOUR misfortune? Where in the Constitution is charity listed as the venue of American government?

States that support Obamacare actually use their energy to fight the insurance companies for lower rates, and work with the government to get things to work more like they should. In Republican states, they ignore what's going on with Obamacare and how it affects their citizens, instead spending all their time reporting how horrible things are and how they can get rid of it. Stop and think about that... they never wanted it in the first place, so why would they fight to make it better

Government theft cannot be made "better".

How is forcing health insurance companies to cover health problems taking money out your pocket? WTF man, what about all the taxes I paid over the years? You guys kill me with the selfish fallacy that you are the only ones that have ever paid taxes.

 

[Lewdog]

Except for pre existing conditions

Insurance is an assumption of risk for a possible future event, not an assumption of financial responsibility for an event that has previously occurred. What you have now is charity, not health care insurance.

except for letting kids be covered while they went to college

Yes, apparently the age of majority has been moved to 26, yet the little darlings can vote at 18. All kinds of damn sense there.

Except for states who actually supported Obamacare

Nice try, but rates will continue to inexorably rise if the program is left in place. How many insurance companies actually remain at this point?

What? Do you have any type of long time illness? Any injuries sustained from an accident that have lingering effects? I dealt with the preexisting condition thing before because of a car accident where I got injured and the other driver was under-insured. If you haven't dealt with the problem it is easy to sit back and complain. I have high blood pressure. It's a trait in my family, I couldn't really avoid it. I have a GI problem I have to get treatment for. So...if I lose my healthcare that I have now and have to switch to another? Yeah, I'm fucked. You think that's cool?

The age was raise to 26 because so many times it takes kids that long to finish their degree and get a job. Things today are different than before. You have to take more credit hours to graduate, not to mention doing most often free internships. Not to mention college based insurance was awful, unless you went to a college that had its own hospital like The Ohio State University.

States that support Obamacare actually use their energy to fight the insurance companies for lower rates, and work with the government to get things to work more like they should. In Republican states, they ignore what's going on with Obamacare and how it affects their citizens, instead spending all their time reporting how horrible things are and how they can get rid of it. Stop and think about that... they never wanted it in the first place, so why would they fight to make it better... when they can sit back and watch it fail so it can support their feelings from before and then give them more ammunition to get rid of it. Don't blame it all on Obamacare, blame your idiot Republican representatives that are being selfish about their egos.

In the face of 100%+ Obamacare premium increases, seems the free market was indeed the better path forward.....

Prove that. Why does CNN report an average of 22%? And they even complain that 22% is "skyrocketing." You're saying 100%... that's not even close. 22% is a bargaining compared to your's.

Obamacare premiums to soar 22% on average

Oh sure....

www.bing.com

Give a man a fish.......

Sorry, this is an internet forum... if you can't support your own arguments, your opinion is about as useless as tits on a boar.

 

[owebo]

Insurance is an assumption of risk for a possible future event, not an assumption of financial responsibility for an event that has previously occurred. What you have now is charity, not health care insurance.

Yes, apparently the age of majority has been moved to 26, yet the little darlings can vote at 18. All kinds of damn sense there.

Nice try, but rates will continue to inexorably rise if the program is left in place. How many insurance companies actually remain at this point?

What? Do you have any type of long time illness? Any injuries sustained from an accident that have lingering effects? I dealt with the preexisting condition thing before because of a car accident where I got injured and the other driver was under-insured. If you haven't dealt with the problem it is easy to sit back and complain. I have high blood pressure. It's a trait in my family, I couldn't really avoid it. I have a GI problem I have to get treatment for. So...if I lose my healthcare that I have now and have to switch to another? Yeah, I'm fucked. You think that's cool?

The age was raise to 26 because so many times it takes kids that long to finish their degree and get a job. Things today are different than before. You have to take more credit hours to graduate, not to mention doing most often free internships. Not to mention college based insurance was awful, unless you went to a college that had its own hospital like The Ohio State University.

States that support Obamacare actually use their energy to fight the insurance companies for lower rates, and work with the government to get things to work more like they should. In Republican states, they ignore what's going on with Obamacare and how it affects their citizens, instead spending all their time reporting how horrible things are and how they can get rid of it. Stop and think about that... they never wanted it in the first place, so why would they fight to make it better... when they can sit back and watch it fail so it can support their feelings from before and then give them more ammunition to get rid of it. Don't blame it all on Obamacare, blame your idiot Republican representatives that are being selfish about their egos.

In the face of 100%+ Obamacare premium increases, seems the free market was indeed the better path forward.....

Prove that. Why does CNN report an average of 22%? And they even complain that 22% is "skyrocketing." You're saying 100%... that's not even close. 22% is a bargaining compared to your's.

Obamacare premiums to soar 22% on average

Oh sure....

www.bing.com

Give a man a fish.......

Sorry, this is an internet forum... if you can't support your own arguments, your opinion is about as useless as tits on a boar.

I did....just because your education failed you, it's not my problem.....

 

[Lewdog]

What? Do you have any type of long time illness? Any injuries sustained from an accident that have lingering effects? I dealt with the preexisting condition thing before because of a car accident where I got injured and the other driver was under-insured. If you haven't dealt with the problem it is easy to sit back and complain. I have high blood pressure. It's a trait in my family, I couldn't really avoid it. I have a GI problem I have to get treatment for. So...if I lose my healthcare that I have now and have to switch to another? Yeah, I'm fucked. You think that's cool?

The age was raise to 26 because so many times it takes kids that long to finish their degree and get a job. Things today are different than before. You have to take more credit hours to graduate, not to mention doing most often free internships. Not to mention college based insurance was awful, unless you went to a college that had its own hospital like The Ohio State University.

States that support Obamacare actually use their energy to fight the insurance companies for lower rates, and work with the government to get things to work more like they should. In Republican states, they ignore what's going on with Obamacare and how it affects their citizens, instead spending all their time reporting how horrible things are and how they can get rid of it. Stop and think about that... they never wanted it in the first place, so why would they fight to make it better... when they can sit back and watch it fail so it can support their feelings from before and then give them more ammunition to get rid of it. Don't blame it all on Obamacare, blame your idiot Republican representatives that are being selfish about their egos.

In the face of 100%+ Obamacare premium increases, seems the free market was indeed the better path forward.....

Prove that. Why does CNN report an average of 22%? And they even complain that 22% is "skyrocketing." You're saying 100%... that's not even close. 22% is a bargaining compared to your's.

Obamacare premiums to soar 22% on average

Oh sure....

www.bing.com

Give a man a fish.......

Sorry, this is an internet forum... if you can't support your own arguments, your opinion is about as useless as tits on a boar.

I did....just because your education failed you, it's not my problem.....

What? You didn't prove shit. You just said they are going up 100%. If you are going to make statements support them. And if you are referring to a link to someone else. I'm sorry I don't ready everyone's arguments between each other. But if you are going to specifically quote me, and counter my argument, then either take the time to provide evidence, or stfu and move on.

 

[owebo]

In the face of 100%+ Obamacare premium increases, seems the free market was indeed the better path forward.....

Prove that. Why does CNN report an average of 22%? And they even complain that 22% is "skyrocketing." You're saying 100%... that's not even close. 22% is a bargaining compared to your's.

Obamacare premiums to soar 22% on average

Oh sure....

www.bing.com

Give a man a fish.......

Sorry, this is an internet forum... if you can't support your own arguments, your opinion is about as useless as tits on a boar.

I did....just because your education failed you, it's not my problem.....

What? You didn't prove shit. You just said they are going up 100%. If you are going to make statements support them. And if you are referring to a link to someone else. I'm sorry I don't ready everyone's arguments between each other. But if you are going to specifically quote me, and counter my argument, then either take the time to provide evidence, or stfu and move on.

Check your poor education....try an on-line degree......

 

[tyroneweaver]

No one should survive at public expense. It's not your money.

Leave charity with charitable organizations.

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

actually er care is cheaper than the current system.

 

[Lewdog]

Prove that. Why does CNN report an average of 22%? And they even complain that 22% is "skyrocketing." You're saying 100%... that's not even close. 22% is a bargaining compared to your's.

Obamacare premiums to soar 22% on average

Oh sure....

www.bing.com

Give a man a fish.......

Sorry, this is an internet forum... if you can't support your own arguments, your opinion is about as useless as tits on a boar.

I did....just because your education failed you, it's not my problem.....

What? You didn't prove shit. You just said they are going up 100%. If you are going to make statements support them. And if you are referring to a link to someone else. I'm sorry I don't ready everyone's arguments between each other. But if you are going to specifically quote me, and counter my argument, then either take the time to provide evidence, or stfu and move on.

Check your poor education....try an on-line degree......

Right, so you can't support your argument. So your full of hot air? I see you are from Washington, DC. You must fit in well there.

 

[owebo]

Oh sure....

www.bing.com

Give a man a fish.......

Sorry, this is an internet forum... if you can't support your own arguments, your opinion is about as useless as tits on a boar.

I did....just because your education failed you, it's not my problem.....

What? You didn't prove shit. You just said they are going up 100%. If you are going to make statements support them. And if you are referring to a link to someone else. I'm sorry I don't ready everyone's arguments between each other. But if you are going to specifically quote me, and counter my argument, then either take the time to provide evidence, or stfu and move on.

Check your poor education....try an on-line degree......

Right, so you can't support your argument. So your full of hot air? I see you are from Washington, DC. You must fit in well there.

I obviously overestimated even your poor education.....

 

[Lewdog]

No one should survive at public expense. It's not your money.

Leave charity with charitable organizations.

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

actually er care is cheaper than the current system.

ER for ongoing care is cheaper? You're kidding right? You do understand there is a reason why with insurance that ER co-pays are usually five to ten times higher than a co-pay for a visit to your primary care doctor?

 

[Lewdog]

Sorry, this is an internet forum... if you can't support your own arguments, your opinion is about as useless as tits on a boar.

I did....just because your education failed you, it's not my problem.....

What? You didn't prove shit. You just said they are going up 100%. If you are going to make statements support them. And if you are referring to a link to someone else. I'm sorry I don't ready everyone's arguments between each other. But if you are going to specifically quote me, and counter my argument, then either take the time to provide evidence, or stfu and move on.

Check your poor education....try an on-line degree......

Right, so you can't support your argument. So your full of hot air? I see you are from Washington, DC. You must fit in well there.

I obviously overestimated even your poor education.....

Welcome to ignore, troll.

 

[tyroneweaver]

No one should survive at public expense. It's not your money.

Leave charity with charitable organizations.

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

actually er care is cheaper than the current system.

ER for ongoing care is cheaper? You're kidding right? You do understand there is a reason why with insurance that ER co-pays are usually five to ten times higher than a co-pay for a visit to your primary care doctor?

ER doctors around here didn't seam to care if some people could pay or not.
They got paid the same.

 

[Lewdog]

No one should survive at public expense. It's not your money.

Leave charity with charitable organizations.

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

actually er care is cheaper than the current system.

ER for ongoing care is cheaper? You're kidding right? You do understand there is a reason why with insurance that ER co-pays are usually five to ten times higher than a co-pay for a visit to your primary care doctor?

ER doctors around here didn't seam to care if some people could pay or not.
They got paid the same.

The ER doctor's don't care? Well hospital administrators do. And what about the huge bills that people then get stuck with that they can't pay, that then gets reported to their credit history which effects everything from renting a place to live, buying a car, getting utilities, hell even some jobs now require a person to have good credit. How can a person get a good job to pay off their bills if they can't get the job because of the bills?

 

[EverCurious]

At one point, no one had health insurance and it was fine... for ages and ages it was fine. I've gone for 40+ years without health insurance.

Now I understand folks want health insurance because they are unable to save up for medical expenses. (Though I do /heavily/ question what you folks put ahead of paying for such things.) However, it is not /my/ fault that you got sick/got into an accident/had a child who needed care. I'm sorry to sound cold, but it is forced charity - and really expensive and practically useless charity at that.

Tell me, if you end up in the ER, what's you deductible on ACA? The report I linked noted $6k deductibles, do you have $6k on hand right now? Cause that's what you're going to pay before it helps you.

 

[owebo]

No one should survive at public expense. It's not your money.

Leave charity with charitable organizations.

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

actually er care is cheaper than the current system.

ER for ongoing care is cheaper? You're kidding right? You do understand there is a reason why with insurance that ER co-pays are usually five to ten times higher than a co-pay for a visit to your primary care doctor?

ER doctors around here didn't seam to care if some people could pay or not.
They got paid the same.

The ER doctor's don't care? Well hospital administrators do. And what about the huge bills that people then get stuck with that they can't pay, that then gets reported to their credit history which effects everything from renting a place to live, buying a car, getting utilities, hell even some jobs now require a person to have good credit. How can a person get a good job to pay off their bills if they can't get the job because of the bills?

I agree....Obamacare is bankrupting millions of American families....

 

[Maryland Patriot]

What? Do you have any type of long time illness? Any injuries sustained from an accident that have lingering effects? I dealt with the preexisting condition thing before because of a car accident where I got injured and the other driver was under-insured. If you haven't dealt with the problem it is easy to sit back and complain. I have high blood pressure. It's a trait in my family, I couldn't really avoid it. I have a GI problem I have to get treatment for. So...if I lose my healthcare that I have now and have to switch to another? Yeah, I'm fucked. You think that's cool?

The age was raise to 26 because so many times it takes kids that long to finish their degree and get a job. Things today are different than before. You have to take more credit hours to graduate, not to mention doing most often free internships. Not to mention college based insurance was awful, unless you went to a college that had its own hospital like The Ohio State University.

That is indeed unfortunate, but what does that have to do with anyone else? By what right does the government take money out of citizens' pockets, essentially at gunpoint, to pay for YOUR misfortune? Where in the Constitution is charity listed as the venue of American government?

States that support Obamacare actually use their energy to fight the insurance companies for lower rates, and work with the government to get things to work more like they should. In Republican states, they ignore what's going on with Obamacare and how it affects their citizens, instead spending all their time reporting how horrible things are and how they can get rid of it. Stop and think about that... they never wanted it in the first place, so why would they fight to make it better

Government theft cannot be made "better".

How is forcing health insurance companies to cover health problems taking money out your pocket? WTF man, what about all the taxes I paid over the years? You guys kill me with the selfish fallacy that you are the only ones that have ever paid taxes.

with the ACA, people that are lower income types can get a subsidy to a point that they are paying almost nothing for their insurance, however, people that have been responsible in their life might end up paying 3 or 4 times as much as they used to for less insurance, They are being forced to cover those subsidies for the irresponsible people.
I looked at what my costs would be if I were forced to use the ACA, My premiums would have been over 10k a year with a deductable of 12k out of pocket, so basically, If I got sick, I could actually pay up to 22,000 a year for my insurance. While some Darwin candidate gets his for almost free.
Right now I pay roughly 6k per year for the family policy, I have 10 dollar co-pay at the doctors office, no co-pay for specialists or the ER, my drug plan gives me my prescriptions for 4 or 7 dollars, depending on name brand or not.
So tell me, where is the value for me in the ACA? I dont want to sound cold but, I really dont think I should have to pay for someone elses medical bills.
Taxpayers already get stuck with the housing, food, spending money, phones, heat, electric, transportation, clothing etc... for these non producers, now we get to keep the mooch alive too? when does it end? seriously, how much is enough for these greedy bastards that refuse to go out and provide for themselves.

 

[EverCurious]

On the ER visit thing. My husband hit a moose on the highway and broke his neck a couple years back. We have no health insurance, they treated him in the ER no problem. They also offered us a payment plan to pay of the bill. (We had cash of course) Do they not offer the same at other hospitals?

 

[EverCurious]

Also, if it's a car accident, there's medical insurance included with most policies (unless that's changed for other companies - we have USAA because my husband is a Vet)

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

What? Do you have any type of long time illness? Any injuries sustained from an accident that have lingering effects? I dealt with the preexisting condition thing before because of a car accident where I got injured and the other driver was under-insured. If you haven't dealt with the problem it is easy to sit back and complain. I have high blood pressure. It's a trait in my family, I couldn't really avoid it. I have a GI problem I have to get treatment for. So...if I lose my healthcare that I have now and have to switch to another? Yeah, I'm fucked. You think that's cool?

The age was raise to 26 because so many times it takes kids that long to finish their degree and get a job. Things today are different than before. You have to take more credit hours to graduate, not to mention doing most often free internships. Not to mention college based insurance was awful, unless you went to a college that had its own hospital like The Ohio State University.

That is indeed unfortunate, but what does that have to do with anyone else? By what right does the government take money out of citizens' pockets, essentially at gunpoint, to pay for YOUR misfortune? Where in the Constitution is charity listed as the venue of American government?

States that support Obamacare actually use their energy to fight the insurance companies for lower rates, and work with the government to get things to work more like they should. In Republican states, they ignore what's going on with Obamacare and how it affects their citizens, instead spending all their time reporting how horrible things are and how they can get rid of it. Stop and think about that... they never wanted it in the first place, so why would they fight to make it better

Government theft cannot be made "better".

How is forcing health insurance companies to cover health problems taking money out your pocket? WTF man, what about all the taxes I paid over the years? You guys kill me with the selfish fallacy that you are the only ones that have ever paid taxes.

Where do you think the subsidies come from?

 

[owebo]

On the ER visit thing. My husband hit a moose on the highway and broke his neck a couple years back. We have no health insurance, they treated him in the ER no problem. They also offered us a payment plan to pay of the bill. (We had cash of course) Do they not offer the same at other hospitals?

One of the core tenants to Obamacare was to ban private cash transactions....

It was removed, but it is a telling sign of where the fascist democrats want to go with this nightmare....