What Has Jesus Christ Done to You?
What has Mohomed, or Moses or the Buddha done to you?
All those questions make about as much sense as this thread's query...i.e., none!
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What Has Jesus Christ Done to You?
The Gospels are plain that Roman leaders, particularly Pilate, authorized and carried out the actual crucifixion. They(the Jewish leaders) had the responsibility of preventing innocent people from being hurt, and yet they knowingly caused an innocent man to be tortured and killed. They must share the blame. Both religion and state were involved.
If you think that jesus did the martyr thing then you wouldn't be blaming jews for what the romans did.
Jesus would have just killed himself.
Jesus was not a martyr, he is our savior. I'm not blaming the jew, i'm just stating they play a major part in it. It was written long ago that Jesus would be hated by his own people, and given over to slaughter.
Jesus was not a martyr, he is our savior. I'm not blaming the jew, i'm just stating they play a major part in it. It was written long ago that Jesus would be hated by his own people, and given over to slaughter.
1. You are free to believe as you wish. Zai gezundt, as they say in Yiddish.
2. Jews do not recognize the new testament as divine... nor do they recognize Jeshua ben Yosef as the messiah. He did not fit the prophesies. The things that were supposed to happen before the coming of th messiah didn't happen and the things that were supposed to happen after the coming of the messiah HAVEN'T happened.
3. He was a rabbi... and a good one. A lot of the things he said were womderful and I have nothing but respect for them. It's the distortions of people who THINK they're following the words while, instead, following 'organized religion'who are the problem.
4. He was murdered by the Romans because the threatened the political hierarchy of the day. Was he turned over to them by the San Hedrin? Probably. And because of the same reason.
5. I take zero 'responsibility' for it... why would I? I don't take responsibility for any of the probably thousands of people the Romans killed via crucifixion any more than I take personal responsibility for WWI or WWII.
And kindly stop assuming anyone else believes what you do. Jews do not believe the messiah is G-d. Jews believe the Messiah is a King who will bring 1,000 years of peace. And we don't believe Jesus was Messiah in any event. And you can't turn away from something you don't believe is legitimate.
Again, no offense.... you are free to believe as you wish. To us, believing in Jesus as Messiah is no different from believing in Mohammed or Buddha.
If you think that jesus did the martyr thing then you wouldn't be blaming jews for what the romans did.
Jesus would have just killed himself.
Jesus was not a martyr, he is our savior. I'm not blaming the jew, i'm just stating they play a major part in it. It was written long ago that Jesus would be hated by his own people, and given over to slaughter.
Jesus based on judaism and the Torah was a villian.
The core of judaism is that there is only one G-D. That there is no other G-D in any form. That you should not put your faith in any man, you should only put your faith in G-D.
That jesus claimed that he was the son of G-D, that people must go through him to reach G-D, is a great affront to G-D. Based on the Torah there is no difference between worshipping a golden calf and worshipping G-D.
The only Saviour jews have is G-D. How do we know this? Because has said so repeatedly. ... The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever. (Isaiah, 40:8)
Jesus was not a martyr, he is our savior. I'm not blaming the jew, i'm just stating they play a major part in it. It was written long ago that Jesus would be hated by his own people, and given over to slaughter.
1. You are free to believe as you wish. Zai gezundt, as they say in Yiddish.
2. Jews do not recognize the new testament as divine... nor do they recognize Jeshua ben Yosef as the messiah. He did not fit the prophesies. The things that were supposed to happen before the coming of th messiah didn't happen and the things that were supposed to happen after the coming of the messiah HAVEN'T happened.
3. He was a rabbi... and a good one. A lot of the things he said were womderful and I have nothing but respect for them. It's the distortions of people who THINK they're following the words while, instead, following 'organized religion'who are the problem.
4. He was murdered by the Romans because the threatened the political hierarchy of the day. Was he turned over to them by the San Hedrin? Probably. And because of the same reason.
3. He was a rabbi... and a good one. A lot of the things he said were womderful and I have nothing but respect for them. It's the distortions of people who THINK they're following the words while, instead, following 'organized religion'who are the problem.
4. He was murdered by the Romans because the threatened the political hierarchy of the day. Was he turned over to them by the San Hedrin? Probably. And because of the same reason.
Jesus was not a martyr, he is our savior. I'm not blaming the jew, i'm just stating they play a major part in it. It was written long ago that Jesus would be hated by his own people, and given over to slaughter.
1. You are free to believe as you wish. Zai gezundt, as they say in Yiddish.
2. Jews do not recognize the new testament as divine... nor do they recognize Jeshua ben Yosef as the messiah. He did not fit the prophesies. The things that were supposed to happen before the coming of th messiah didn't happen and the things that were supposed to happen after the coming of the messiah HAVEN'T happened.
Could you tell us what the things were that were suppose to happen but did not?
I'll field that question.
These are the messianic prophesies.
Michah 4:3
3. And he shall judge between many peoples and reprove mighty nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift the sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore. (world peace)
Ezekiel 37
21. And say to them, So says the Lord God: Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side, and I will bring them to their land. כא. (All jews will come to Israel)
22. And I will make them into one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be to them all as a king; and they shall no longer be two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms anymore. כב. (One recognized king)
23. And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, with their detestable things, or with all their transgressions, and I will save them from all their habitations in which they have sinned, and I will purify them, and they shall be to Me as a people, and I will be to them as a God. כג. (All nations will worship one G-D)
24. And My servant David shall be king over them, and one shepherd shall be for them all, and they shall walk in My ordinances and observe My statutes and perform them. כד. (A descendent of David)
25. And they shall dwell on the land that I have given to My servant, to Jacob, wherein your forefathers lived; and they shall dwell upon it, they and their children and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. כה. (All jews will remain in Israel)
26. And I will form a covenant of peace for them, an everlasting covenant shall be with them; and I will establish them and I will multiply them, and I will place My Sanctuary in their midst forever. כו. (the temple in jerusalem and will be rebuilt and stand forever)
27. And My dwelling place shall be over them, and I will be to them for a God, and they shall be to Me as a people. כז.
28. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, Who sanctifies Israel, when My Sanctuary is in their midst forever." (Once again the temple in jerusalem will stand forever)
Guess how many of these jesus fulfilled?? Zero. When the messiah comes all will be fulfilled. That's how we jews will know it's the messiah.
And 1st coming and 2nd coming is all a christian creation. It has nothing to do with the Torah.
3. He was a rabbi... and a good one. A lot of the things he said were womderful and I have nothing but respect for them. It's the distortions of people who THINK they're following the words while, instead, following 'organized religion'who are the problem.
He was either God as he claimed, or he was a lunatic, or he was a liar. He could not be both a good rabbi and a liar. Let us not forget, that the Jews sought to stone Jesus for calling himself one with God.
He was an evil person based on the Torah.
That jews would try to stone him is another NT creation and fiction.
The jewish court was disbanded, and there was no power to execute anyone. Jews don't act as mobs.
4. He was murdered by the Romans because the threatened the political hierarchy of the day. Was he turned over to them by the San Hedrin? Probably. And because of the same reason.
And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
-John 19:12
Pilate had no interest in killing Jesus. Jesus was no threat to the Roman empire in a fleshly sense.
Apparently the romans wanted to kill him because they did. The romans were very harsh occupiers. They could care less what the jews' opinion was on anything.
It's not like they telephoned the local rabbi office if they wanted to make a decision.
It's another NT made up story.
There is a lot of hatred in the NT directed toward jews.
3. He was a rabbi... and a good one. A lot of the things he said were womderful and I have nothing but respect for them. It's the distortions of people who THINK they're following the words while, instead, following 'organized religion'who are the problem.
4. He was murdered by the Romans because the threatened the political hierarchy of the day. Was he turned over to them by the San Hedrin? Probably. And because of the same reason./QUOTE]
Jillian I disagree. He was not a rabbi. And I don't have respect for him.
He falsely claimed he was a divine being and the messiah. That is one of the greatest sins you can commit before G-D.
Also the jewish court was disbanded at that time.
Devarim / Deuteronomy
13:1 If a prophet or a dreamer
of dreams arises among you
and gives you a sign or a
wonder,
13:2 and the sign or
the wonder comes true,
concerning which he spoke to
you, saying, 'Let us go after
other gods (whom you have
not known) and let us serve
them,'
13:3 you shall not listen
to the words of that prophet or
that dreamer of dreams; for the
Lord your God is testing you to
find out if you love the Lord
your God with all your heart
and with all your soul.
13:4
You shall follow the Lord
your God and fear Him; and
you shall keep His
commandments, listen to His
voice, serve Him, and cling to
Him.
13:5 But that prophet or
that dreamer of dreams shall be
put to death, because he has
counseled rebellion against the
Lord your God who brought
you from the land of Egypt and
redeemed you from the house
of slavery, to seduce you from
the way in which the Lord your
God commanded you to walk.
So you shall purge the evil
from among you.
13:6 If your
brother, your mother's son, or
your son or daughter, or the
wife you cherish, or your
friend who is as your own soul,
entice you secretly, saying, 'Let
us go and serve other gods'
(whom neither you nor your
fathers have known,
13:7 of the
gods of the peoples who are
around you, near you or far
from you, from one end of the
earth to the other end),
13:8
you shall not yield to him or
listen to him; and your eye
shall not pity him, nor shall
you spare or conceal him.
13:9
But you shall surely kill him;
your hand shall be first against
him to put him to death, and
afterwards the hand of all the
people.
13:10 So you shall
stone him to death because he
has sought to seduce you from
the Lord your God who
brought you out from the land
of Egypt, out of the house of
slavery.
13:11 Then all Israel
will hear and be afraid, and
will never again do such a
wicked thing am
I commend you for realizing that Yashua could not be both a good man and a liar at the same time. We just differ on which one he was.
I wish Jesus Christ would get it through his head that I don't love him in return. I never will. He needs to let go and get a life.Not the so called christian, but Jesus Christ. Why would you hate someone who did nothing but love you. He loved you so much that he gave his life that you might live. So what has Jesus Christ done to you?
3. He was a rabbi... and a good one. A lot of the things he said were womderful and I have nothing but respect for them. It's the distortions of people who THINK they're following the words while, instead, following 'organized religion'who are the problem.
4. He was murdered by the Romans because the threatened the political hierarchy of the day. Was he turned over to them by the San Hedrin? Probably. And because of the same reason./QUOTE]
Jillian I disagree. He was not a rabbi. And I don't have respect for him.
He falsely claimed he was a divine being and the messiah. That is one of the greatest sins you can commit before G-D.
Also the jewish court was disbanded at that time.
Devarim / Deuteronomy
13:1 ‘If a prophet or a dreamer
of dreams arises among you
and gives you a sign or a
wonder,
13:2 and the sign or
the wonder comes true,
concerning which he spoke to
you, saying, 'Let us go after
other gods (whom you have
not known) and let us serve
them,'
13:3 you shall not listen
to the words of that prophet or
that dreamer of dreams; for the
Lord your God is testing you to
find out if you love the Lord
your God with all your heart
and with all your soul.
13:4
‘You shall follow the Lord
your God and fear Him; and
you shall keep His
commandments, listen to His
voice, serve Him, and cling to
Him.
13:5 ‘But that prophet or
that dreamer of dreams shall be
put to death, because he has
counseled rebellion against the
Lord your God who brought
you from the land of Egypt and
redeemed you from the house
of slavery, to seduce you from
the way in which the Lord your
God commanded you to walk.
So you shall purge the evil
from among you.
13:6 ‘If your
brother, your mother's son, or
your son or daughter, or the
wife you cherish, or your
friend who is as your own soul,
entice you secretly, saying, 'Let
us go and serve other gods'
(whom neither you nor your
fathers have known,
13:7 of the
gods of the peoples who are
around you, near you or far
from you, from one end of the
earth to the other end),
13:8
you shall not yield to him or
listen to him; and your eye
shall not pity him, nor shall
you spare or conceal him.
13:9
‘But you shall surely kill him;
your hand shall be first against
him to put him to death, and
afterwards the hand of all the
people.
13:10 ‘So you shall
stone him to death because he
has sought to seduce you from
the Lord your God who
brought you out from the land
of Egypt, out of the house of
slavery.
13:11 ‘Then all Israel
will hear and be afraid, and
will never again do such a
wicked thing am
I commend you for realizing that Yashua could not be both a good man and a liar at the same time. We just differ on which one he was.
Yashua is Joshua. He was indeed a good man.
I thought jesus was your divine being?
The Gospels are plain that Roman leaders, particularly Pilate, authorized and carried out the actual crucifixion. They(the Jewish leaders) had the responsibility of preventing innocent people from being hurt, and yet they knowingly caused an innocent man to be tortured and killed. They must share the blame. Both religion and state were involved.
If you think that jesus did the martyr thing then you wouldn't be blaming jews for what the romans did.
Jesus would have just killed himself.
Jesus was not a martyr, he is our savior. I'm not blaming the jew, i'm just stating they play a major part in it. It was written long ago that Jesus would be hated by his own people, and given over to slaughter.
Jesus was not a martyr, he is our savior. I'm not blaming the jew, i'm just stating they play a major part in it. It was written long ago that Jesus would be hated by his own people, and given over to slaughter.
Jesus based on judaism and the Torah was a villian.
Well that would square fairly well with the scriptures... and with the predictions of Christ himself.
Which of course Christ in no way challenged, despite this little rant to the contrary. As Christ WAS God... incarnate.
That jesus claimed that he was the son of G-D, that people must go through him to reach G-D, is a great affront to G-D. Based on the Torah there is no difference between worshipping a golden calf and worshipping G-D.
Well I suspect it's been a great affront to millions upon millions who have found on that great gettin' up mornin' that passing up the gift of salvation was a major lapse in judgment; which brought them directly to an unenviable status as they stood for their final accounting.
I'll field that question.
These are the messianic prophesies.
Michah 4:3
3. And he shall judge between many peoples and reprove mighty nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift the sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore. (world peace)
Ezekiel 37
21. And say to them, So says the Lord God: Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side, and I will bring them to their land. כא. (All jews will come to Israel)
22. And I will make them into one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be to them all as a king; and they shall no longer be two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms anymore. כב. (One recognized king)
23. And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, with their detestable things, or with all their transgressions, and I will save them from all their habitations in which they have sinned, and I will purify them, and they shall be to Me as a people, and I will be to them as a God. כג. (All nations will worship one G-D)
24. And My servant David shall be king over them, and one shepherd shall be for them all, and they shall walk in My ordinances and observe My statutes and perform them. כד. (A descendent of David)
25. And they shall dwell on the land that I have given to My servant, to Jacob, wherein your forefathers lived; and they shall dwell upon it, they and their children and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. כה. (All jews will remain in Israel)
26. And I will form a covenant of peace for them, an everlasting covenant shall be with them; and I will establish them and I will multiply them, and I will place My Sanctuary in their midst forever. כו. (the temple in jerusalem and will be rebuilt and stand forever)
27. And My dwelling place shall be over them, and I will be to them for a God, and they shall be to Me as a people. כז.
28. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, Who sanctifies Israel, when My Sanctuary is in their midst forever." (Once again the temple in jerusalem will stand forever)
Guess how many of these jesus fulfilled?? Zero. When the messiah comes all will be fulfilled. That's how we jews will know it's the messiah.
And 1st coming and 2nd coming is all a christian creation. It has nothing to do with the Torah.
The jewish court was disbanded, and there was no power to execute anyone. Jews don't act as mobs.
Apparently the romans wanted to kill him because they did. The romans were very harsh occupiers. They could care less what the jews' opinion was on anything.
It's not like they telephoned the local rabbi office if they wanted to make a decision.
It's another NT made up story.
There is a lot of hatred in the NT directed toward jews.
Well that's all for interpretation, prophesies tend to be sorta vague... suffice it to say that others disagree; but you are free to believe as you wish.
Christianity is an offshoot sect of Judasim.
Christianity is an offshoot sect of Judasim.
No it's not, christianity has nothing to do with judaism.
I commend you for realizing that Yashua could not be both a good man and a liar at the same time. We just differ on which one he was.
Yashua is Joshua. He was indeed a good man.
I thought jesus was your divine being?
Is'nt jesus a common name for landscapers in the Southwest.
Funny you should bring up Joshua. Yashua ben Yosef happens to share striking parallels with Yashua ben Nun.