CMike
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I'll field that question.
These are the messianic prophesies.
Michah 4:3
3. And he shall judge between many peoples and reprove mighty nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift the sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore. (world peace)
Ezekiel 37
21. And say to them, So says the Lord God: Behold I will take the children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side, and I will bring them to their land. כא. (All jews will come to Israel)
22. And I will make them into one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be to them all as a king; and they shall no longer be two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms anymore. כב. (One recognized king)
23. And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, with their detestable things, or with all their transgressions, and I will save them from all their habitations in which they have sinned, and I will purify them, and they shall be to Me as a people, and I will be to them as a God. כג. (All nations will worship one G-D)
24. And My servant David shall be king over them, and one shepherd shall be for them all, and they shall walk in My ordinances and observe My statutes and perform them. כד. (A descendent of David)
25. And they shall dwell on the land that I have given to My servant, to Jacob, wherein your forefathers lived; and they shall dwell upon it, they and their children and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. כה. (All jews will remain in Israel)
26. And I will form a covenant of peace for them, an everlasting covenant shall be with them; and I will establish them and I will multiply them, and I will place My Sanctuary in their midst forever. כו. (the temple in jerusalem and will be rebuilt and stand forever)
27. And My dwelling place shall be over them, and I will be to them for a God, and they shall be to Me as a people. כז.
28. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, Who sanctifies Israel, when My Sanctuary is in their midst forever." (Once again the temple in jerusalem will stand forever)
Guess how many of these jesus fulfilled?? Zero. When the messiah comes all will be fulfilled. That's how we jews will know it's the messiah.
Yep, that he will. Only, there are 2 parts, a first and second coming. You have skipped all of the prophesies related to his first coming. Why do you think Yashua stopped at the comma half way through Isaiah 61? The second half of Isaiah 61:2 will be fulfilled when he comes again. There would be a problem if those prophesies said "when" they would be fulfilled and Yashua didn't fulfill them, however, it nowhere states that there is only one coming of the Lord. On the other hand, if Yashua is to come as the sacrificial lamb and as the king all at the same time, then you are in big trouble. And if the Messiah was suppose to come around 0 A.D. as prophesied in Daniel 9:25 and he didn't then that would be a big problem too. Fortunately he did.
You and I both await the same Messiah. The majority of the Jewish people just happened to miss him the first time around. That's all. No biggy really.
Dividing up in parts is a christian creation, it has nothing to do with the Torah.
This is what I find annoying the perversion of the Torah. To jews it's a sacred text.
The Torah states what the prophesies will be when the messiah comes. In fact that is how jews will know it's the messiah. No where does it have it in different parts.
But I understand, that there is a clear and explicit description of what will happen when the messiah comes, and since jesus didn't fulfill any of them, christians must then create another part.
That within itself is a violation of the Torah and what G-D said.
From the Torah "Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it."
And 1st coming and 2nd coming is all a christian creation. It has nothing to do with the Torah.
Actually it has more to do with it than just a 2nd coming.Might I remind you that the NT was written by Jews, about a Jew (Yashua) and for Jews (and gentiles). So you are accusing those (Jews) writing it as being hateful while saying there is no such thing. Again, there are good Jews and bad Jews. We just happen to disagree on which is which.The jewish court was disbanded, and there was no power to execute anyone. Jews don't act as mobs.
You are right, Jews generally don't act as mobs. However, just as there are good gentiles and bad gentiles, there are good Jews and bad Jews.
The jews of the day knew the Torah and the laws and didn't act in mobs. It's more NT fiction.
Apparently the romans wanted to kill him because they did. The romans were very harsh occupiers. They could care less what the jews' opinion was on anything.
It's not like they telephoned the local rabbi office if they wanted to make a decision.
It's another NT made up story.
There is a lot of hatred in the NT directed toward jews.
Just because G-d made a covenant with Abraham and hence the Jewish people, doesn't make every Jew a good person nor did the law of Moses. The covenant set them apart from all of the other pantheistic pegans establishing the jewel of G-d's eye, and the law of Moses showed them the need for a savior.
There is no hatred in the NT towards the Jewish people, there is only portions describing G-d's anger towards the Jewish people for rejecting Him just as you will find in the OT as well. As I stated before, the NT was written by Jews about Jews and for Jews. The only hatred that has come into it is by ignorant prideful Christians. IMO, Christians owe the Jewish people an appology for that.
Rejecting G-D would be following jesus, since G-D told jews specifically not follow anyone else other than him.
Matthew 23:35 (also Lk 11:50-51)
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 27:25
All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"
John 8:44 (also Rev 2:9)
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.
1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.
Revelation 3:9
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars - I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
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