What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

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It isn't extreme and inhumane to remove at risk children from abusers and sex traffickers. What about that do you not get? Do you object when child welfare lodges kids they separate from sex offenders or drunk drivers?

I'm sure you don't. Because you know it isn't inhumane. You just want child traffickers to continue unmolested.

Except, of course, you guys didn't actually check to see if those kids belonged with those parents, you just threw them into concentration camps until people screamed, and now you can't find who they actually belong to.

No, that's not what happened. If they crossed illegally which many of them did, they were detained and of course children not allowed to live in their cell with them. If they came through legal ports and found to be legit, the kids stayed with the parents.
 
Joe: Your employees are bottom feeders. You should pay your employees more.

Why would I pay my employees more if they are as you called them "bottom feeders?"

Then you might get decent ones.

Oh, yeah, and it's the decent thing to do, but I don't think you understand that concept.
 
No, that's not what happened. If they crossed illegally which many of them did, they were detained and of course children not allowed to live in their cell with them. If they came through legal ports and found to be legit, the kids stayed with the parents.

Again, you can twist it all day, but it's still putting kids in concentration camps... unnecessary and dumb.
 
It isn't extreme and inhumane to remove at risk children from abusers and sex traffickers. What about that do you not get? Do you object when child welfare lodges kids they separate from sex offenders or drunk drivers?

I'm sure you don't. Because you know it isn't inhumane. You just want child traffickers to continue unmolested.

Except, of course, you guys didn't actually check to see if those kids belonged with those parents, you just threw them into concentration camps until people screamed, and now you can't find who they actually belong to.

No, and please stop pretending you care, it just makes you look even more like a subhuman worm.
 
No, that's not what happened. If they crossed illegally which many of them did, they were detained and of course children not allowed to live in their cell with them. If they came through legal ports and found to be legit, the kids stayed with the parents.

Again, you can twist it all day, but it's still putting kids in concentration camps... unnecessary and dumb.

People who present themselves at U.S. borders are allowed to claim asylum. The administration is taking a stronger stance on this, as part of President Trump's attempts to limit immigration to the USA.

Sessions has railed against the asylum system. He said the system is abused by immigrants and "dirty immigration lawyers."

In many cases, the government denies asylum claims and treats those cases as criminal. This leads to more children being separated from their families.

The policies about placing unaccompanied minors with sponsors and separating children from their families were in place during the Obama administration. They go back to the administration of President George W. Bush.

In 2014, Obama faced a dramatic influx of immigration from Central America. DHS officials announced at the time that they would deport anyone who entered the U.S. illegally. And they expanded access to immigration detention centers, where families were held with their children while they were awaiting immigration hearings.

The key difference: They did not prosecute those migrants criminally. And court rulings eventually required the administration to end some of the extended detentions of parents and children.

Immigrant children: Here's what's happening with kids at the border, policywise
 
Joe: Your employees are bottom feeders. You should pay your employees more.

Why would I pay my employees more if they are as you called them "bottom feeders?"

Then you might get decent ones.

Oh, yeah, and it's the decent thing to do, but I don't think you understand that concept.

So if bottom feeders are doing the job and I can pay them as bottom feeders, then why would I want better ones if I just need to pay them more?

You really don't think through your crap
 
So if bottom feeders are doing the job and I can pay them as bottom feeders, then why would I want better ones if I just need to pay them more?

You really don't think through your crap

Oh, wow, could think of a dozen reason why you don't hire the bottom feeders... like low quality. Can't tell you how many vendors I had to fire because they couldn't do even the simple stuff.
 
No, that's not what happened. If they crossed illegally which many of them did, they were detained and of course children not allowed to live in their cell with them. If they came through legal ports and found to be legit, the kids stayed with the parents.

Again, you can twist it all day, but it's still putting kids in concentration camps... unnecessary and dumb.

People who present themselves at U.S. borders are allowed to claim asylum. The administration is taking a stronger stance on this, as part of President Trump's attempts to limit immigration to the USA.

Sessions has railed against the asylum system. He said the system is abused by immigrants and "dirty immigration lawyers."

In many cases, the government denies asylum claims and treats those cases as criminal. This leads to more children being separated from their families.

The policies about placing unaccompanied minors with sponsors and separating children from their families were in place during the Obama administration. They go back to the administration of President George W. Bush.

In 2014, Obama faced a dramatic influx of immigration from Central America. DHS officials announced at the time that they would deport anyone who entered the U.S. illegally. And they expanded access to immigration detention centers, where families were held with their children while they were awaiting immigration hearings.

The key difference: They did not prosecute those migrants criminally. And court rulings eventually required the administration to end some of the extended detentions of parents and children.

Immigrant children: Here's what's happening with kids at the border, policywise

You can post whatever rationalizations you like.. But kids in concentration camps. It's just ugly and stupid.
 
No, that's not what happened. If they crossed illegally which many of them did, they were detained and of course children not allowed to live in their cell with them. If they came through legal ports and found to be legit, the kids stayed with the parents.

Again, you can twist it all day, but it's still putting kids in concentration camps... unnecessary and dumb.

People who present themselves at U.S. borders are allowed to claim asylum. The administration is taking a stronger stance on this, as part of President Trump's attempts to limit immigration to the USA.

Sessions has railed against the asylum system. He said the system is abused by immigrants and "dirty immigration lawyers."

In many cases, the government denies asylum claims and treats those cases as criminal. This leads to more children being separated from their families.

The policies about placing unaccompanied minors with sponsors and separating children from their families were in place during the Obama administration. They go back to the administration of President George W. Bush.

In 2014, Obama faced a dramatic influx of immigration from Central America. DHS officials announced at the time that they would deport anyone who entered the U.S. illegally. And they expanded access to immigration detention centers, where families were held with their children while they were awaiting immigration hearings.

The key difference: They did not prosecute those migrants criminally. And court rulings eventually required the administration to end some of the extended detentions of parents and children.

Immigrant children: Here's what's happening with kids at the border, policywise

You can post whatever rationalizations you like.. But kids in concentration camps. It's just ugly and stupid.

Well if you read the article you would realize what you're spewing is left-wing propaganda.
 
It's republicans who gave us SImpson-Mazoli, the law that puts verification on the employer which is like letting the Foxes watch the henhouse.
It's republicans who own the companies that hire them.
It's Republicans who oppose a national ID system.
It's Republicans who have blocked immigration reform for over a decade.

And what is immigration reform? Making laws that benefit the foreigners and a disadvantage to Americans. Of course we're against that. In other words, amnesty. It didn't work in the past and it won't work today.

It's Republicans that own companies? To my knowledge, there are just as many if not more Democrats that own companies as Republicans: Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Cosco's, Starbucks, Martha Stewart just to name a few.

National ID? We used to use drivers licenses as ID's, and then the Democrats started giving them to foreigners and we don't know who is a citizen and who is not. National ID's............from the same group of people fighting against Voter-ID claiming it won't solve any problems and it won't work?????

You are a perfect example of the Party of Excuses.
We need immigration laws that are realistic based on what the nation needs and doesn't need.

First of all we need more people, not less. As a result of improved health care, our country is getting older. Ten thousand Baby Boomers are turning 65 every day. Many of them are retiring and leaving the workforce.

There will be 35.3 million job openings by 2024 compared to 6.8 million today, mostly due to retirement. Combine that with an economy that’s expected to create 9.8 million additional job openings and a U.S. birthrate that is declining, it’s obvious that the U.S. economy will need more workers. If we don't have them, those jobs along with the economic benefits they would bring will go overseas and the US will go into economic decline.

The beliefs that more immigrants will mean more democrats, less jobs, and a shortage of workers is good for the economy is going to prevent any meaningful reform that would solve the worker shortage. In essence, the US is very likely to follow the same disastrous path Japan is following.

What we don't need is more illegal immigrants. This is one thing both republicans and democrats will be able to agree on. With less people attempting to cross the border and more security, illegal entry into the country will be a minor problem long before any wall gets build.

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, you racist, race baiting dick head. What don't you grasp about that?
You seem to have a problem understanding that our laws that regulated legal immigration are a primary cause of illegal immigration. Our immigration quotas push wait times to 10 years or more and for those that don't have a sponsor it's never. When there is no hope of legal entry, there no reason not to try illegally.

Unfortunately for you, that isn't the case in America. There's always legal entry options.

Unless you're a violent criminal, or a child sex trafficker. Or a terrorist.
Depends how long you have to live.

For most of the people in most of the world, South America, Central American, Africa, and part of Asia, unless you have family in the US or have special skills, you want be able to immigrate and become a permanent resident for many years to never.
 
And now the ever hysterical media has made a recent firestorm of a "news"/'new" story about how "the Trump administration" wants to separate breastfeeding mothers from children and bullied countries in the WHO in order to keep up the profits for baby formula. The problem is that the struggle over the resolution at the WHO/ world health org HAPPENED in MAY 2018 and it is OLD NEWS regurgitated as a part of their never ending smear against the president and the United States. GRANTED the USA should have been represented by a WOMAN not a man in this endeavor, and the promotion of breastfeeding as healthy prevailed in the WHO conference. The media has hit rock bottom in this country and the citizens of the USA are not dumb and willing to just lap up all their sour milk.
 
THESE 19 DEPORTED PARENTS should have their charges dropped, should get all the help necessary to be reuinited with their children, etc., because this is our screw up in the USA, and these illegals deserve some amnesty:

POLITICS
07/06/2018 12:25 pm ET Updated 1 day ago
Trump Administration Deported 19 Parents Whose Young Kids Are Still In Custody
The judge said the government has to reunify families even if the parent has been removed from the country.

By Elise Foley

The Trump administration revealed on Friday that it has deported 19 migrant parents whose children under the age of 5 remain in U.S. custody in recent weeks ― and argued it shouldn’t be required to reunite them.The government appeared in court to provide an update on its progress reuniting as many as 3,000 children with their parents after the families were separated under a Trump administration crackdown on illegal border crossings. The administration asked Judge Dana Sabraw to give them more time to bring those families back together. A previous court deadline stipulates about 100 children under the age of 5 should be reunited with their parents by July 10.Sabraw, who also issued the order last week requiring the government to reunify families, hasn’t made a decision on the extension yet. But he did confirm the government is obligated to unite parents who were already deported.
 
THESE 19 DEPORTED PARENTS should have their charges dropped, should get all the help necessary to be reuinited with their children, etc., because this is our screw up in the USA, and these illegals deserve some amnesty:

POLITICS
07/06/2018 12:25 pm ET Updated 1 day ago
Trump Administration Deported 19 Parents Whose Young Kids Are Still In Custody
The judge said the government has to reunify families even if the parent has been removed from the country.

By Elise Foley

The Trump administration revealed on Friday that it has deported 19 migrant parents whose children under the age of 5 remain in U.S. custody in recent weeks ― and argued it shouldn’t be required to reunite them.The government appeared in court to provide an update on its progress reuniting as many as 3,000 children with their parents after the families were separated under a Trump administration crackdown on illegal border crossings. The administration asked Judge Dana Sabraw to give them more time to bring those families back together. A previous court deadline stipulates about 100 children under the age of 5 should be reunited with their parents by July 10.Sabraw, who also issued the order last week requiring the government to reunify families, hasn’t made a decision on the extension yet. But he did confirm the government is obligated to unite parents who were already deported.
This seems to be the result of most Trump initiates, a big screw up. He decides it's time to do something immediately without a lot of people in his administration and his party in congress having any warning. In this case they started putting kids and parents together then tearing them apart. ICE gives them to DHS, human services, and then contracted facilities, all without clear identification of the parents or the children. So they ended up with 5 year olds being question by foster care facilities only to learn the mother's name is Mama.
 
Well if you read the article you would realize what you're spewing is left-wing propaganda.

Yawn, guy, don't need to read an article to realize THIS is a disgrace.

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Joe, you are so correct to point out that the pictures of all the unaccompanied minors who surged the borders in 2014 and overwhelmed the system are a disgrace. Most of the pictures being circulated by the phony media are from 2014. You may have posted a 2014 picture along with all the other incompetent media who are using Obama era pictures to unwittingly blame the present administration. Such fools!
 
A Refugee Caravan is Hoping for Asylum in the U.S. How Are These Cases Decided?

by Miriam Jordan
April 30, 2018
...Over the past five years, though, the number of asylum applications has skyrocketed. Civil wars in Africa, gang violence in Central America and government crackdowns in China have contributed to a backlog of hundreds of thousands of cases and processing times of up to six years. This presents a range of challenges to U.S. authorities, who are required under international law to give all of the cases careful consideration.

But President Trump has urged his administration to redouble its efforts to enforce border laws, referring to the caravan over the weekend as “that mess,” and declaring, “We have the worst laws anywhere in the world, we don’t have borders.”
 
It doesn't take much brain power to realize that there is a tremendous financial strain that has been placed and continues to be placed on the average working class citizen of the United States by all this illegal immigration. It hits the nations working people in the pocketbook. That cost burden is placed on them/us without approval or consideration. What are we as a nation paying for in the amounts of millions and billions of dollars in order to accommodate illegal aliens?: WE in the USA are paying for: food, housing, utilities, transportation, workers at adult and child holding centers, teachers, lawyers, judges, border patrol, ICE, military and other airline flights to return people, border vehicles and gasoline, government agencies, communications with religious organizations that provide help and housing here, international efforts to help these people in their own countries, medical, etc, etc. There is a staggering cost to the Average citizen and the nation is recovering economically and has a debt. Blame the drug trade and weak ineffective governments.
 
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