What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Flopper]

Obama should have just sent all border agents home. His tough stance was a complete joke.

And the current attack by the left is to try and get that back.

They say they don't want open borders. They speak with forked tounge.

No president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barrack Obama.

Presidency of Barack Obama, 3.2 million people deported. 400,000/yr. Avg.
Presidency of George W. Bush, 2 million people were deported. 250,000/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Bill Clinton, 870,000 people deported. 108,750/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Donald Trump 240,00 deported in first yr. 240,000/Yr. Avg
Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

I posted data back in this thread..........showing how he just let a half a million go free.............guess you didn't notice. .......that was in one year alone.

Yet Obama holds the record for deportations.

Releasing detainees on their own recognizance over a period of 20 years resulted in 37% not showing up for their hearing. However, these detainees were totally un-monitored. When monitoring tools such as ankle bracelets, telephonic reporting, reminding calls, and home and job-site visits were used, absconding plummeted. There was 99.7 percent attendance rate at court and an 85 percent compliance rate with final orders of removal, so stop all the bull shit about catch and release. The tools are there to solve the problem and Trump is going to be using them if he's going to beat Obama's record for deportations because there will not be enough detention centers nor money to operate them.
Courting Disaster

 

[HappyJoy]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

----------------------------------- sure they are human but they aren't AMERICAN HappyJoy .

Then we should be Americans and treat them like humans. Also, some of the families that were separated did enter legally as refugees, we still treated them like animals.

Let's stop pretending that their legal status is the issue here.

 

[pismoe]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

----------------------------------- sure they are human but they aren't AMERICAN HappyJoy .

Then we should be Americans and treat them like humans. Also, some of the families that were separated did enter legally as refugees, we still treated them like animals.

Let's stop pretending that their legal status is the issue here.

------------------------------------- legal status doesn't matter to me no matter what it is . I have no use for legal or illegal third worlders as i see them all as the same third worlders , USA government decides who is legal or illegal and many USA governments starting with 'reagan' have been 'fos' Happy Joy .

 

[HappyJoy]

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

----------------------------------- sure they are human but they aren't AMERICAN HappyJoy .

Then we should be Americans and treat them like humans. Also, some of the families that were separated did enter legally as refugees, we still treated them like animals.

Let's stop pretending that their legal status is the issue here.

------------------------------------- legal status doesn't matter to me no matter what it is . I have no use for legal or illegal third worlders as i see them all as the same third worlders , USA government decides who is legal or illegal and many USA governments starting with 'reagan' have been 'fos' Happy Joy .

And one wonders why the Republicans are always accused of racism.

 

[pismoe]

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

----------------------------------- sure they are human but they aren't AMERICAN HappyJoy .

Then we should be Americans and treat them like humans. Also, some of the families that were separated did enter legally as refugees, we still treated them like animals.

Let's stop pretending that their legal status is the issue here.

------------------------------------- legal status doesn't matter to me no matter what it is . I have no use for legal or illegal third worlders as i see them all as the same third worlders , USA government decides who is legal or illegal and many USA governments starting with 'reagan' have been 'fos' Happy Joy .

And one wonders why the Republicans are always accused of racism.

---------------------------------------- no one cares about some silly designation any more than you care about being designated as being an emotionally driven naive woman Happy Joy .

 

[MaryL]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yadda yadda. I see huge swathes of my home city being turned into a wreck to support illegal aliens on a vast scale...and pointing that out makes me a horrible person somehow... which leaves me breathless. Why do we not get to vote on allowing sanctuary cities when it's contrary to common sense and benefits only the wealthy? So how does democracy work, again?

 

[Flopper]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

----------------------------------- sure they are human but they aren't AMERICAN HappyJoy .

Then we should be Americans and treat them like humans. Also, some of the families that were separated did enter legally as refugees, we still treated them like animals.

Let's stop pretending that their legal status is the issue here.

Entering the US by applying for refugee status is filled with land mines. A person can present themselves at the US border with an application for asylum or refugee status and they will be admitted but probably detained until an immigration person interviews them to determine if they they meet the basic qualifications. If they do, they will be allowed to stay in the country for up to a year while they wait for an immigration hearing. They could be detained or released on their own recognizance. If they are denied refugee status by the court, then they are subject to deportation. In the past, the immigration service has allowed the person to remove themselves without deportation. The Trump administration could deny voluntary removal and elect deportation. This would serve two purposes. It would increase Trumps deportation numbers and could prevent the person from legally entering the country for a numbers of years.

The Trump administration has control over the priory of immigration courts and has lowered the priority of these hearing. The backlog in courts is so high that a person could be deported while waiting for a hearing. A federal judge has recently stopped Trump from doing this.

 

[Flopper]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yadda yadda. I see huge swathes of my home city being turned into a wreck to support illegal aliens on a vast scale...and pointing that out makes me a horrible person somehow... which leaves me breathless. Why do we not get to vote on allowing sanctuary cities when it's contrary to common sense and benefits only the wealthy? So how does democracy work, again?

Simply vote against the political figure, usually mayor or governor who is promoting sanctuary.

BTW it's not government in a sanctuary that hinders ICE the most. It's the people, the farmers that fails to report obvious illegals, the traffic copy who writes a ticket and fails to report the driver to ICE, the clerk at city hall who warns residents of an ICE raid, the roofer who hires a person with an obvious doctored work permit. In places where the people don't support a law, enforcement is very difficult if not impossible.

 

[KeiserC]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Even if it (hypothetically) "saves one life", thwarts one MS13 entry... Build da wall. Where have I heard the one life mantra before???

 

[dblack]

What human cost is acceptable in controlling illegal immigration?

None. I'm not a nationalist. Government is there to protect our rights, not grant us special privileges.

 

[MaryL]

Obama should have just sent all border agents home. His tough stance was a complete joke.

And the current attack by the left is to try and get that back.

They say they don't want open borders. They speak with forked tounge.

No president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barrack Obama.

Presidency of Barack Obama, 3.2 million people deported. 400,000/yr. Avg.
Presidency of George W. Bush, 2 million people were deported. 250,000/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Bill Clinton, 870,000 people deported. 108,750/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Donald Trump 240,00 deported in first yr. 240,000/Yr. Avg
Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

I posted data back in this thread..........showing how he just let a half a million go free.............guess you didn't notice. .......that was in one year alone.

Yet Obama holds the record for deportations.

Releasing detainees on their own recognizance over a period of 20 years resulted in 37% not showing up for their hearing. However, these detainees were totally un-monitored. When monitoring tools such as ankle bracelets, telephonic reporting, reminding calls, and home and job-site visits were used, absconding plummeted. There was 99.7 percent attendance rate at court and an 85 percent compliance rate with final orders of removal, so stop all the bull shit about catch and release. The tools are there to solve the problem and Trump is going to be using them if he's going to beat Obama's record for deportations because there will not be enough detention centers nor money to operate them.
Courting Disaster

Expecting people to immigrate legally is as human as you can get. Giving Mexicans special treatment transcends law and ethics and is as inhumane as you can get.. We have our own poor and needy and even THEY don't get this level of special treatment. Something seems unconstitutional about sanctuary cities and this extra special treatment of illegal aliens seems to surpass anything in American history.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

----------------------------------- sure they are human but they aren't AMERICAN HappyJoy .

Then we should be Americans and treat them like humans. Also, some of the families that were separated did enter legally as refugees, we still treated them like animals.

Let's stop pretending that their legal status is the issue here.

Entering the US by applying for refugee status is filled with land mines. A person can present themselves at the US border with an application for asylum or refugee status and they will be admitted but probably detained until an immigration person interviews them to determine if they they meet the basic qualifications. If they do, they will be allowed to stay in the country for up to a year while they wait for an immigration hearing. They could be detained or released on their own recognizance. If they are denied refugee status by the court, then they are subject to deportation. In the past, the immigration service has allowed the person to remove themselves without deportation. The Trump administration could deny voluntary removal and elect deportation. This would serve two purposes. It would increase Trumps deportation numbers and could prevent the person from legally entering the country for a numbers of years.

The Trump administration has control over the priory of immigration courts and has lowered the priority of these hearing. The backlog in courts is so high that a person could be deported while waiting for a hearing. A federal judge has recently stopped Trump from doing this.

Be careful. You are confusing them with facts, and for a Trump supporter, that is like asking them to drink hemlock.

 

[Political Junky]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

God you people are stupid. Her point is about the kids who didn’t choose to be smuggled over the border.

You mean just like the children of incarcerated bank robbers...and how the piece of shit parents forfeited them to the system by way of their own actions?

So you’re equating bank robbers to people who want a better life for their children by crossing a border? God you’re fucking stupid.

I think illegals are far worse actually.
Federal criminality = Federal criminal
What else can I teach you Loon?

Contrary to Trump’s Claims, Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes

Contrary to Trump’s Claims, Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes

A central point of an executive order President Trump signed on Wednesday — and a mainstay of his campaign speeches — is the view that undocumented immigrants pose a threat to public safety.

But several studies, over many years, have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States. And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.

“There’s no way I can mess with the numbers to get a different conclusion,” said Alex Nowrasteh, immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, which advocates more liberal immigration laws.

Mr. Trump often cites specific cases of undocumented immigrants committing or being charged with crimes, like the 2015 killing in San Francisco of Kathryn Steinle, whose accused killer had repeatedly been convicted of crimes and deported, yet slipped back into the United States.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

God you people are stupid. Her point is about the kids who didn’t choose to be smuggled over the border.

You mean just like the children of incarcerated bank robbers...and how the piece of shit parents forfeited them to the system by way of their own actions?

So you’re equating bank robbers to people who want a better life for their children by crossing a border? God you’re fucking stupid.

I think illegals are far worse actually.
Federal criminality = Federal criminal
What else can I teach you Loon?

Contrary to Trump’s Claims, Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes

Contrary to Trump’s Claims, Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes

A central point of an executive order President Trump signed on Wednesday — and a mainstay of his campaign speeches — is the view that undocumented immigrants pose a threat to public safety.

But several studies, over many years, have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States. And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.

“There’s no way I can mess with the numbers to get a different conclusion,” said Alex Nowrasteh, immigration policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, which advocates more liberal immigration laws.

Mr. Trump often cites specific cases of undocumented immigrants committing or being charged with crimes, like the 2015 killing in San Francisco of Kathryn Steinle, whose accused killer had repeatedly been convicted of crimes and deported, yet slipped back into the United States.

The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities
There has been much rhetoric from the left and the open-borders, pro-illegal immigration lobby suggesting that illegal immigrants pose no threat to the safety and security of this nation and commit less crimes than their American Citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

If one watches the network newscasts, the ideologues and open-borders surrogates consistently accuse Americans and law enforcement experts who suggest otherwise of being racist and anti-immigration xenophobes. If you pay attention to the rhetoric, you will find one blaring item missing — facts.

I am a former Spanish speaking career detective who investigated violent crimes within the Hispanic and other ethnic immigrant communities.

I am also a forensic criminologist who is a subject matter expert in violent crime who advocates for facts and evidence. Here are some verified crime facts and statistics with you so that you will know the truth about the precarious relationship between violent crime and illegal immigrants.

As Americans, we should only care about three things: (1) are the immigrants in the U.S. illegally; (2) have they committed violent crimes predominantly against U.S. citizens; and (3) had these criminals not been in our country illegally, these crimes, the victimization of our citizens and the costs of their crimes borne by American taxpayers could have been completely avoided.

Previous administrations have deliberately kept Americans in the dark about illegal immigrant crimes

Most states and our federal government have kept information and statistics about illegal immigration, crimes committed by illegals and the costs borne by you the U.S. payer out of public view. It is in fact difficult, but not impossible to locate accurate crime statistics involving illegal immigrants. The statistics are buried both to suit a political agenda and to avoid public outcry. Once you read this article, you will quickly understand why.

The Pew Research Institute estimates that as of 2014, there are at least 11.2 million illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. This population comprises approximately 3.5 percent of our country’s population.

Of these, by far the largest ethnic population, 52 percent are Hispanics comprised of Mexicans, Central Americans and Cubans.

Six states: California, Texas, Illinois, Florida, New York and New Jersey account for 59 percent of all illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. The fact that 66 percent of all illegal immigrants have lived in our nation for over ten years underscores our long-standing inability to address the serious problem of our inability to control our nation’s borders.

The relationship between illegal immigrants and violent crime

Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Water n 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation’s most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for the crime of homicide.

The misrepresentation of comparisons in who commits crimes between illegal immigrants, legal U.S. immigrants and American citizens

The pro-illegal immigrant lobby consistently misrepresents the criminal involvement of illegal immigrants as compared to immigrants who legally enter the U.S. and American citizens, saying that illegal immigrants commit less crimes than their counterparts. This assertion is false in most cases. Here are the vetted statistics:

In California, there are just over 92 illegal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals as compared to 74 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants. In Arizona, the rate is nearly 69 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000, as compared to 54 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants.

In New York, over three times as many illegal immigrants or 169, are imprisoned for crimes per 100,000, as compared to only 48 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants. Only the states of Texas and Florida do illegal immigrants commit less crimes than their legal immigrant counterparts (Texas with 54.5 illegals imprisoned per 100,000, compared to 65 legal immigrants and Florida with 55 illegals imprisoned, compared to 68 legal immigrants).

Texas is an epicenter for illegal immigrant crimes

Recent crime analysis by both the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Texas law enforcement authorities indicate that between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 criminal immigrants were arrested and booked into Texas jails.

In researching the criminal careers of these defendants, it was revealed that they had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults; 69,000 drug offenses; 8,700 weapons violations; over 3,800 robberies and over 45,000 obstructing police charges. In determining the status of these offenders in the U.S., it was confirmed by DHS that over 173,000 or 66 percent of these immigrant criminal defendants were in our country illegally at the times of their arrests.

“Sanctuary State” California politicians fight against deporting criminal illegal immigrants

Currently, a fight is brewing between California Open Borders politicians and the state’s Democratic controlled Legislature and the Department of Justice regarding the protection of violent criminal illegal immigrants.

Hardly any Californian’s know that in 2014, Gov. Brown signed a bill that amended a state statute amending the maximum sentencing for misdemeanor crimes by one day from 365 to 364 days in jail. This was deliberately done to avoid current federal laws that provide for the deportation of illegal and legal immigrants in this country who have received sentences of 365 days or more.

With the newly enacted jail and prison diversion programs of Propositions 109 and 47, Gov. Brown and company are effectively preventing the federal government from removing violent and recidivist illegal immigrants from our midst through the deportation process.

The extreme costs of keeping illegal immigrant criminals in this country

According to research and statistics by the U.S. Departments of Justice and Homeland Security, U.S. taxpayers are footing an annual bill of nearly $19 million a day to house and care for an estimated 300,000 to 450,000 convicted criminal immigrants who are eligible for deportation and are currently residing in local jails and state and federal prisons across the country.

These figures include not only those immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally, but all immigrants here who commit and have been convicted of crimes. Other accounting estimates indicate that the total cost for all corrections, medical and support services for adults and juvenile immigrant criminals nationally to be over $1.8 billion dollars.

So the next time you hear some Open Borders politician or pro illegal immigrant surrogates advocate on their behalf, ask yourself why we as American citizens need to bear the increasing costs of violence, victimization and burdensome taxes in subsidizing illegal immigrant criminals who shouldn’t be in our country in the first place.

Ron Martinelli is a nationally renowned forensic criminologist and law enforcement expert. Martinelli is a retired San Jose (CA) police detective who provides forensic investigation and expert services to numerous states, large municipalities and national private law firms specializing in civil rights. He is fluent in Spanish and divides his time between California, Texas and Mexico.
The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

 

[Flopper]

Obama should have just sent all border agents home. His tough stance was a complete joke.

And the current attack by the left is to try and get that back.

They say they don't want open borders. They speak with forked tounge.

No president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barrack Obama.

Presidency of Barack Obama, 3.2 million people deported. 400,000/yr. Avg.
Presidency of George W. Bush, 2 million people were deported. 250,000/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Bill Clinton, 870,000 people deported. 108,750/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Donald Trump 240,00 deported in first yr. 240,000/Yr. Avg
Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

I posted data back in this thread..........showing how he just let a half a million go free.............guess you didn't notice. .......that was in one year alone.

Yet Obama holds the record for deportations.

Releasing detainees on their own recognizance over a period of 20 years resulted in 37% not showing up for their hearing. However, these detainees were totally un-monitored. When monitoring tools such as ankle bracelets, telephonic reporting, reminding calls, and home and job-site visits were used, absconding plummeted. There was 99.7 percent attendance rate at court and an 85 percent compliance rate with final orders of removal, so stop all the bull shit about catch and release. The tools are there to solve the problem and Trump is going to be using them if he's going to beat Obama's record for deportations because there will not be enough detention centers nor money to operate them.
Courting Disaster

Expecting people to immigrate legally is as human as you can get. Giving Mexicans special treatment transcends law and ethics and is as inhumane as you can get.. We have our own poor and needy and even THEY don't get this level of special treatment. Something seems unconstitutional about sanctuary cities and this extra special treatment of illegal aliens seems to surpass anything in American history.

The stuff the city council passes to earn them the right to call themselves a sanctuary city is just BS. These people do this because they have lots of constituents that don't like the immigration laws or how they are enforced or think they are unfair or there're concerned about family members or friends being deported. It's the constituents that make a city a sanctuary. When 25% percent of the police force is either Latino or married into a Latino family with members that are in violation of immigration laws, they are certain not going to be much help to immigration. ICE depends heavily on tips from employers, police, and other citizens in a town. If they don't get that help they are working blind.

Well, one can argue that it's pretty inhumane to deport kids born in Mexico and brought to the US as children and forced to leave the only home they have ever known or a mother having to decide between taking her American born children to Honduras with her or leaving them here with relatives and possible never seeing them again.

 

[Dragonlady]

Obama should have just sent all border agents home. His tough stance was a complete joke.

And the current attack by the left is to try and get that back.

They say they don't want open borders. They speak with forked tounge.

No president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barrack Obama.

Presidency of Barack Obama, 3.2 million people deported. 400,000/yr. Avg.
Presidency of George W. Bush, 2 million people were deported. 250,000/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Bill Clinton, 870,000 people deported. 108,750/Yr. Avg.
Presidency of Donald Trump 240,00 deported in first yr. 240,000/Yr. Avg
Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

I posted data back in this thread..........showing how he just let a half a million go free.............guess you didn't notice. .......that was in one year alone.

Yet Obama holds the record for deportations.

Releasing detainees on their own recognizance over a period of 20 years resulted in 37% not showing up for their hearing. However, these detainees were totally un-monitored. When monitoring tools such as ankle bracelets, telephonic reporting, reminding calls, and home and job-site visits were used, absconding plummeted. There was 99.7 percent attendance rate at court and an 85 percent compliance rate with final orders of removal, so stop all the bull shit about catch and release. The tools are there to solve the problem and Trump is going to be using them if he's going to beat Obama's record for deportations because there will not be enough detention centers nor money to operate them.
Courting Disaster

Expecting people to immigrate legally is as human as you can get. Giving Mexicans special treatment transcends law and ethics and is as inhumane as you can get.. We have our own poor and needy and even THEY don't get this level of special treatment. Something seems unconstitutional about sanctuary cities and this extra special treatment of illegal aliens seems to surpass anything in American history.

I think you have a total misunderstanding what constitutes a “sanctuary city”. Sanctuary cities don’t check or ask for immigration status when citizens report crimes. Local law enforcement leaves immigration matters strictly to ICE.

This isn’t to help illegal immigrants evade capture, or even to provide sanctuary. It’s to prevent crime.

Illegals are easy targets if their status would get them deported and criminals look for easy targets. Those who can’t report they’ve been victimized or testify against them in criminal proceedings are the easiest prey of all. Because of the high levels of crime, cities tell residents to report sobtgey csn get criminals off the street.

 

[protectionist]

I think what you are seeing is undocumented immigrants that exist in many families of legal immigrants. Undocumented immigrant do not assimilate primarily because they are undocumented. They live in a subculture dominated by secrecy and fear. They have to avoid associating with strangers, joining organizations that would call attentions to themselves. Avoid employment in places that are unsafe. Avoid the police. Keep their children away from other kids believed to be unsafe. Stay in areas where their are many Latinos. Also, family members that are legal citizens have to be careful not to expose the family to unwanted attention. This is why so many undocumented immigrants hope to return someday to their country of origin so they can be free of the fear. As the Mexican economy has improved over the last few years, many are doing just that.

Assimilation is one of the major benefits of legalization. Millions of people would be able to join the America culture, improve their education, get better jobs, open new businesses, and take part in their community.

No such things as "undocumented immigrants" The correct term to identify these invaders is >> "ILLEGAL ALIENS" They are neither "undocumented", nor are they "immigrants"

I've met thousands of them in 4 different states of the US (New York, Tennessee, California, and Florida). They have plenty of documents. I've spoken to them (in Spanish), and they (construction workers and janitors) have company photo ID cards, library cards, etc, etc

And they are not immigrants. Immigrants are people like my ancestors, who went through an official process of immigration with US immigration authorities.

In the words of the late Professor George Grayson, of William & Mary College in Virginia, a scholar in Mexican-American relations, >>

"To call an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant", is about equivalent to calling a bank robber "an informal withdrawl agent"

But isn't it interesting hw you show so much sympathy for the illegal alien, while showing zero sympathy for the American citizens enduring the longlist of harms that these invaders bring to us.

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($138 Billion/year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

17. Influx of terrorists

 

[protectionist]

Be careful. You are confusing them with facts, and for a Trump supporter, that is like asking them to drink hemlock.

Let's hope you're not confused with the FACTS of Post # 1437.

 

[protectionist]

I think you have a total misunderstanding what constitutes a “sanctuary city”. Sanctuary cities don’t check or ask for immigration status when citizens report crimes. Local law enforcement leaves immigration matters strictly to ICE.

This isn’t to help illegal immigrants evade capture, or even to provide sanctuary. It’s to prevent crime.

Illegals are easy targets if their status would get them deported and criminals look for easy targets. Those who can’t report they’ve been victimized or testify against them in criminal proceedings are the easiest prey of all. Because of the high levels of crime, cities tell residents to report sobtgey csn get criminals off the street.

We've been hearing this red herring poppycock for years. Democrats protect illegals in sanctuary cities so they can suck up their VOTES. In return, the illegals GIVE THEM those votes. It's not rocket science.

And the congressional voting shows it all. Republicans vote against sanctuary cities. Democrats vote for them. And if illegals weren't HERE, as they shouldn't be, they wouldn't have to worry about US crime, or being "easy targets" or being "victimized" by it.

 

[bripat9643]

What do you want done with them? Ritz-Cartlton? Homeless Shelter? Free house in Fort Worth? Detroit? You pay. Start a gofundme? Adopt them? Give out rooms in your vacation homes? Set up FEMA trailers, run plumbing-electric-AC.

What about American homeless?

I have an idea. Stop giving tax brakes to those who already have plenty of money and use the funds to help homeless people. The richest country in the world has to much poverty and the reason isn't other poor people taking away government funds. It's the idea that being rich isn't just something to aspire to but something that requires the government's aid.

ROFL! So you're an imbecile who believes the government is entitled to take people's money. Somehow people managed to get rich before the government started "helping" them.