N4mddissent
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WELL if you are right no one lost a thing. But if we are right you have lost everything.... its a win win for christians
My response (on the other "what if" thread- didn't want to post the same thing twice)
Your respons in the link is so severely overthought, that it completely by-passes the whole point of believing in God. 1. God is just if you go to hell for not believing in him. He wouldn't be just if he let everyone in to heaven, even if they're bad. Would our justice system be "just" if it gave rapists and murders a $500 dollar fine and then set them free?
2. There's a reason it's called "faith." You have faith that he exists. Having faith means that you don't have to have 100% proof.
There's also the fact that God isn't the only being that has force over this earth. The entire Bible is filled with people being influenced by Satan. The whole Bible is filled with people being influenced by God...but ultimately...making their own decisions. It's the decisions they make that influence their sinliness or obedience.
No matter which way you cut the pie, it all boils down to...
If you're right, they there's no harm done...we all rot in boxes.
If you're wrong, then you've got a problem...whether it be you go to Hell for eternity, or some other punishment that got has for you.
Let's not forget that all Christian religions do not believe that you go to Hell for eternity...some believe that you go to purgatory based on the sins you commit. Some religions beleive that there are certain levels of Heaven.
As for your first point. I would not think it is okay to charge rapists and murderers $500 and set them free. Would you think it was just to execute people for jaywalking? Yet, that pales in comparison to infinite punishment. Infinite punishment would be unjust for any sin. How long would Hitler have to suffer? Surely at some point it would be enough. Any number you name, even five billion years of ultimate suffering and torture, is not even a fraction of a percent of eternity. Yet a decent moral person who happens to not believe in god will suffer that same fate. Fuck that god.
And faith does not mean less than 100% proof. If I presented evidence that made it 99% certain someone had committed a crime, then convicting that person would not require faith. If you write down a number between 1 and 100 and I pick a number between 1 and 100, I do not need faith in the conviction that it is unlikely we chose the same number. Faith would be the opposite- believing we had chose the same number without any evidence or expectation that it is the case.
And god created satan, right? Why? And why not kill him and stop all of his evil? Maybe he doesn't care?
How could you believe in a god so pernicious? A god who arbitrarily reveals himself, allows evil and suffering to perpetuate, and punishes unjustly those who he knowingly designed with flaws? I think the answer was in your response to me
Your respons in the link is so severely overthought, that it completely by-passes the whole point of believing in God.
That's right. The whole point is not to think about it too much. Thanks for clearing that up.