What if we lived and died by every word in the original Constitution? Are we better?

[Vastator]

Kinda my point....the old days weren't all that bad for women...were they?

Yes, Vastator, when society severely limits the potential of half its population, that is "bad." We are much better off now.

Don’t simply “tell” me. Show me. Start with something we all value. Just to begin on “neutral ground”. Start with say... Our children...

I have no idea what you're asking.

Of course you don’t...When “your potential” is only realized at the expense of an unwilling party... how much of “that potential” was ever yours to begin with?

Who is the unwilling party? You?

Anyone who doesn’t personally press coin into your palm to support your furtherance. In other words, “the taxpayer”. Women receive more in benefits from taxes, than they contribute. So just like the argument against letting welfare queens vote... It’s insane to let non contributors to the coffers have a say in how funds are allocated.
Our founding fathers were well aware of this. And even forewarned us that once the public found out it could gift itself from the public coffers... the gig would be over. They were right. Women in large have replaced reliance on their own good judgment, for reliance on the state. They can now vote themselves security at the expense of all men; rather than earn the security of a good man, based on their own ability, and merit. All the while pursuing personal enrichment, while their own children are treated as an afterthought.

 

[OldLady]

Actually, we needed the second paycheck. As is the case in many families these days. I would not be surprised if part of the feeling of unhappiness does have to do with feeling we are giving less than 100% to our parenting, less than 100% to our job, less than 100% to our loved ones. I remember that feeling very distinctly.

Kinda my point....the old days weren't all that bad for women...were they?

Yes, Vastator, when society severely limits the potential of half its population, that is "bad." We are much better off now.

Don’t simply “tell” me. Show me. Start with something we all value. Just to begin on “neutral ground”. Start with say... Our children...

I have no idea what you're asking.

How are we as a society better off; than if women couldn’t vote. Show me a difference that would weaken, our cultural, or national strength, and position.

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

 

[OldLady]

Actually, we needed the second paycheck. As is the case in many families these days. I would not be surprised if part of the feeling of unhappiness does have to do with feeling we are giving less than 100% to our parenting, less than 100% to our job, less than 100% to our loved ones. I remember that feeling very distinctly.

Kinda my point....the old days weren't all that bad for women...were they?

Yes, Vastator, when society severely limits the potential of half its population, that is "bad." We are much better off now.

What potential do you contend is being limited? Do you not limit the potential of a person when you take against his will; resources. Only to give them to someone else?

Sorry to confuse you. I was referring to how society USED TO limit the potential of women by denying them access to college, to most jobs, etc. And the proscriptions against women were far more than just educational and career wise.

Don’t get me wrong... Women want equality? Take it. And EVERYTHING that equality means. No special exceptions. No caveats. No yeah buts... You want it? Step up, and take it. ALL of it...

We already did. You are the one saying it was a mistake, since we're no longer as happy.

 

[Vastator]

Kinda my point....the old days weren't all that bad for women...were they?

Yes, Vastator, when society severely limits the potential of half its population, that is "bad." We are much better off now.

Don’t simply “tell” me. Show me. Start with something we all value. Just to begin on “neutral ground”. Start with say... Our children...

I have no idea what you're asking.

How are we as a society better off; than if women couldn’t vote. Show me a difference that would weaken, our cultural, or national strength, and position.

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

Not at all. Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since. To the net benefit of “women”. While men, the children, and the nation pay for this disaster, that has been dragging the nation our forefathers founded down. It’s in women’s nature to seek out security. No one can fault them for that. It’s the natural order of things. That’s why for time immemorial women chose their mates carefully. Once they could vote themselves the security of all men’s labors and protections... Without any contribution, sacrifice, or effort of their own; this republic took a nosedive. I can’t say I’d have done differently to be honest...

 

[Vastator]

Kinda my point....the old days weren't all that bad for women...were they?

Yes, Vastator, when society severely limits the potential of half its population, that is "bad." We are much better off now.

What potential do you contend is being limited? Do you not limit the potential of a person when you take against his will; resources. Only to give them to someone else?

Sorry to confuse you. I was referring to how society USED TO limit the potential of women by denying them access to college, to most jobs, etc. And the proscriptions against women were far more than just educational and career wise.

Don’t get me wrong... Women want equality? Take it. And EVERYTHING that equality means. No special exceptions. No caveats. No yeah buts... You want it? Step up, and take it. ALL of it...

We already did. You are the one saying it was a mistake, since we're no longer as happy.

Tell me all about it once vaginas start filling as many body bags in war, and workplace deaths, and injuries. Oh... and don’t forget to match the men at the tax coffers while your doing it...

 

[OldLady]

Yes, Vastator, when society severely limits the potential of half its population, that is "bad." We are much better off now.

Don’t simply “tell” me. Show me. Start with something we all value. Just to begin on “neutral ground”. Start with say... Our children...

I have no idea what you're asking.

Of course you don’t...When “your potential” is only realized at the expense of an unwilling party... how much of “that potential” was ever yours to begin with?

Who is the unwilling party? You?

Anyone who doesn’t personally press coin into your palm to support your furtherance. In other words, “the taxpayer”. Women receive more in benefits from taxes, than they contribute. So just like the argument against letting welfare queens vote... It’s insane to let non contributors to the coffers have a say in how funds are allocated.
Our founding fathers were well aware of this. And even forewarned us that once the public found out it could gift itself from the public coffers... the gig would be over. They were right. Women in large have replaced reliance on their own good judgment, for reliance on the state. They can now vote themselves security at the expense of all men; rather than earn the security of a good man, based on their own ability, and merit. All the while pursuing personal enrichment, while their own children are treated as an afterthought.

Okay, so now you're on a whole different tack, here. Several. Now it's an issue with (1) welfare queens or (2) not staying home and caring for the children, as they should?

 

[Vastator]

Don’t simply “tell” me. Show me. Start with something we all value. Just to begin on “neutral ground”. Start with say... Our children...

I have no idea what you're asking.

Of course you don’t...When “your potential” is only realized at the expense of an unwilling party... how much of “that potential” was ever yours to begin with?

Who is the unwilling party? You?

Anyone who doesn’t personally press coin into your palm to support your furtherance. In other words, “the taxpayer”. Women receive more in benefits from taxes, than they contribute. So just like the argument against letting welfare queens vote... It’s insane to let non contributors to the coffers have a say in how funds are allocated.
Our founding fathers were well aware of this. And even forewarned us that once the public found out it could gift itself from the public coffers... the gig would be over. They were right. Women in large have replaced reliance on their own good judgment, for reliance on the state. They can now vote themselves security at the expense of all men; rather than earn the security of a good man, based on their own ability, and merit. All the while pursuing personal enrichment, while their own children are treated as an afterthought.

Okay, so now you're on a whole different tack, here. Several. Now it's an issue with (1) welfare queens or (2) not staying home and caring for the children, as they should?

Your inability to grasp the obvious.... Need one say more?

 

[OldLady]

Yes, Vastator, when society severely limits the potential of half its population, that is "bad." We are much better off now.

Don’t simply “tell” me. Show me. Start with something we all value. Just to begin on “neutral ground”. Start with say... Our children...

I have no idea what you're asking.

How are we as a society better off; than if women couldn’t vote. Show me a difference that would weaken, our cultural, or national strength, and position.

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

Not at all. Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since. To the net benefit of “women”. While men, the children, and the nation pay for this disaster, that has been dragging the nation our forefathers founded down. It’s in women’s nature to seek out security. No one can fault them for that. It’s the natural order of things. That’s why for time immemorial women chose their mates carefully. Once they could vote themselves the security of all men’s labors and protections... Without any contribution, sacrifice, or effort of their own; this republic took a nosedive. I can’t say I’d have done differently to be honest...

Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since.
The Great Depression was our first foray into "socialism," wasn't it? Because people were out of work and starving? Maybe there should have been a sunset clause on all those programs, but once you give something to the people, it is darned hard to take it away, isn't it? A political suicide pill.

I suppose you're going to tell me that voting women caused the Great Depression?

 

[impuretrash]

Don’t simply “tell” me. Show me. Start with something we all value. Just to begin on “neutral ground”. Start with say... Our children...

I have no idea what you're asking.

How are we as a society better off; than if women couldn’t vote. Show me a difference that would weaken, our cultural, or national strength, and position.

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

Not at all. Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since. To the net benefit of “women”. While men, the children, and the nation pay for this disaster, that has been dragging the nation our forefathers founded down. It’s in women’s nature to seek out security. No one can fault them for that. It’s the natural order of things. That’s why for time immemorial women chose their mates carefully. Once they could vote themselves the security of all men’s labors and protections... Without any contribution, sacrifice, or effort of their own; this republic took a nosedive. I can’t say I’d have done differently to be honest...

Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since.
The Great Depression was our first foray into "socialism," wasn't it? Because people were out of work and starving? Maybe there should have been a sunset clause on all those programs, but once you give something to the people, it is darned hard to take it away, isn't it? A political suicide pill.

I suppose you're going to tell me that voting women caused the Great Depression?

Hard to argue against the fact that crime, depression and general discontent have been on the rise since the 60s "sexual revolution". It's now reaching critical mass.

 

[OldLady]

I have no idea what you're asking.

How are we as a society better off; than if women couldn’t vote. Show me a difference that would weaken, our cultural, or national strength, and position.

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

Not at all. Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since. To the net benefit of “women”. While men, the children, and the nation pay for this disaster, that has been dragging the nation our forefathers founded down. It’s in women’s nature to seek out security. No one can fault them for that. It’s the natural order of things. That’s why for time immemorial women chose their mates carefully. Once they could vote themselves the security of all men’s labors and protections... Without any contribution, sacrifice, or effort of their own; this republic took a nosedive. I can’t say I’d have done differently to be honest...

Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since.
The Great Depression was our first foray into "socialism," wasn't it? Because people were out of work and starving? Maybe there should have been a sunset clause on all those programs, but once you give something to the people, it is darned hard to take it away, isn't it? A political suicide pill.

I suppose you're going to tell me that voting women caused the Great Depression?

Hard to argue against the fact that crime, depression and general discontent have been on the rise since the 60s "sexual revolution". It's now reaching critical mass.

Us Jezebels! That sexual revolution is all our fault?

 

[Vastator]

How are we as a society better off; than if women couldn’t vote. Show me a difference that would weaken, our cultural, or national strength, and position.

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

Not at all. Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since. To the net benefit of “women”. While men, the children, and the nation pay for this disaster, that has been dragging the nation our forefathers founded down. It’s in women’s nature to seek out security. No one can fault them for that. It’s the natural order of things. That’s why for time immemorial women chose their mates carefully. Once they could vote themselves the security of all men’s labors and protections... Without any contribution, sacrifice, or effort of their own; this republic took a nosedive. I can’t say I’d have done differently to be honest...

Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since.
The Great Depression was our first foray into "socialism," wasn't it? Because people were out of work and starving? Maybe there should have been a sunset clause on all those programs, but once you give something to the people, it is darned hard to take it away, isn't it? A political suicide pill.

I suppose you're going to tell me that voting women caused the Great Depression?

Hard to argue against the fact that crime, depression and general discontent have been on the rise since the 60s "sexual revolution". It's now reaching critical mass.

Us Jezebels! That sexual revolution is all our fault?

Is anything, ever?

 

[longknife]

I am and have always been a Constitutionalist. There are amendments I disagree with such as the Federal Income Tax and the popular vote for Senators and the President/Vice President.

But, it provides a better form of government than any other form anywhere in the world.

The most important part of our constitution is how it firmly places control in the hands of the voters who decide who shall govern us and how. If we don't like them, we simply vote them out of office.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Think about that.
We have deviated from the pathway laid out by our framers...Have we become a better nation FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE as a result?
WHY or WHY NOT?
Let’s keep this simple...spare us the “the Constitutution was written in such a way to allow for revision and deviation to grow with the times” bullshit please. Thanks in advance.

who do you mean by "we"?

heterosexual white males and white conservative females would be better off.

at the expense of millions of other people.

If you lived the exact and original wording of the constitution who would you enslave?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Think about that.
We have deviated from the pathway laid out by our framers...Have we become a better nation FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE as a result?
WHY or WHY NOT?
Let’s keep this simple...spare us the “the Constitutution was written in such a way to allow for revision and deviation to grow with the times” bullshit please. Thanks in advance.

who do you mean by "we"?

heterosexual white males and white conservative females would be better off.

at the expense of millions of other people.

If you lived the exact and original wording of the constitution who would you enslave?

Aren't you Loons always telling us that we need the brown slaves?
Don't we enslave blacks by paying them off to stay quiet, stay on the couch, smoke weed and make babies?

 

[impuretrash]

How are we as a society better off; than if women couldn’t vote. Show me a difference that would weaken, our cultural, or national strength, and position.

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

Not at all. Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since. To the net benefit of “women”. While men, the children, and the nation pay for this disaster, that has been dragging the nation our forefathers founded down. It’s in women’s nature to seek out security. No one can fault them for that. It’s the natural order of things. That’s why for time immemorial women chose their mates carefully. Once they could vote themselves the security of all men’s labors and protections... Without any contribution, sacrifice, or effort of their own; this republic took a nosedive. I can’t say I’d have done differently to be honest...

Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since.
The Great Depression was our first foray into "socialism," wasn't it? Because people were out of work and starving? Maybe there should have been a sunset clause on all those programs, but once you give something to the people, it is darned hard to take it away, isn't it? A political suicide pill.

I suppose you're going to tell me that voting women caused the Great Depression?

Hard to argue against the fact that crime, depression and general discontent have been on the rise since the 60s "sexual revolution". It's now reaching critical mass.

Us Jezebels! That sexual revolution is all our fault?

The social/political theories that propelled the movement were built from the ground up by Marxist intellectuals who had a deep and abiding disdain for the West, it's culture and it's moral values. They knew the best way to destroy that which they so despised was to undermine the family unit. It just so happened that women were especially receptive to these ideas.

The left/right paradigm can easily be juxtaposed as feminine/masculine, wouldn't you agree?

 

[OldLady]

These are the amendments that have passed since women were given the right to vote (the full amendments are on page 1). Are you saying that since women were given the right to vote, that it didn't change anything? There hasn't been anything too exciting, actually, but perhaps the fact that nothing radical and off the wall happened demonstrates that women are equally sensible as men?
Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives

Not at all. Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since. To the net benefit of “women”. While men, the children, and the nation pay for this disaster, that has been dragging the nation our forefathers founded down. It’s in women’s nature to seek out security. No one can fault them for that. It’s the natural order of things. That’s why for time immemorial women chose their mates carefully. Once they could vote themselves the security of all men’s labors and protections... Without any contribution, sacrifice, or effort of their own; this republic took a nosedive. I can’t say I’d have done differently to be honest...

Things absolutely began changing. Almost immediately. And “socialism” has been growing ever since.
The Great Depression was our first foray into "socialism," wasn't it? Because people were out of work and starving? Maybe there should have been a sunset clause on all those programs, but once you give something to the people, it is darned hard to take it away, isn't it? A political suicide pill.

I suppose you're going to tell me that voting women caused the Great Depression?

Hard to argue against the fact that crime, depression and general discontent have been on the rise since the 60s "sexual revolution". It's now reaching critical mass.

Us Jezebels! That sexual revolution is all our fault?

The social/political theories that propelled the movement were built from the ground up by Marxist intellectuals who had a deep and abiding disdain for the West, it's culture and it's moral values. They knew the best way to destroy that which they so despised was to undermine the family unit. It just so happened that women were especially receptive to these ideas.

The left/right paradigm can easily be juxtaposed as feminine/masculine, wouldn't you agree?

It was the birth control pill, I think.

 

[caddo kid]

Think about that.
We have deviated from the pathway laid out by our framers...Have we become a better nation FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE as a result?
WHY or WHY NOT?
Let’s keep this simple...spare us the “the Constitutution was written in such a way to allow for revision and deviation to grow with the times” bullshit please. Thanks in advance.

What if we lived and died by every word in the original Constitution?

we would still have slavery in the US so, I guess you hate the 14th A.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Think about that.
We have deviated from the pathway laid out by our framers...Have we become a better nation FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE as a result?
WHY or WHY NOT?
Let’s keep this simple...spare us the “the Constitutution was written in such a way to allow for revision and deviation to grow with the times” bullshit please. Thanks in advance.

What if we lived and died by every word in the original Constitution?

we would still have slavery in the US so, I guess you hate the 14th A.

We do still have slaves in the US.....we just don't beat their ass when they get out of line.
You people are always always telling us that we need the brown slaves...right?
Don't we enslave blacks by paying them off to stay quiet, stay on the couch, smoke weed and make babies?

 

[caddo kid]

Think about that.
We have deviated from the pathway laid out by our framers...Have we become a better nation FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE as a result?
WHY or WHY NOT?
Let’s keep this simple...spare us the “the Constitutution was written in such a way to allow for revision and deviation to grow with the times” bullshit please. Thanks in advance.

What if we lived and died by every word in the original Constitution?

we would still have slavery in the US so, I guess you hate the 14th A.

We do still have slaves in the US.....we just don't beat their ass when they get out of line.
You people are always always telling us that we need the brown slaves...right?
Don't we enslave blacks by paying them off to stay quiet, stay on the couch, smoke weed and make babies?

Sorry, I missed that part of The Constitution. Maybe you could tell US what article, section, and clause that is in?
According to your rant, we also have 'white slaves' that stay on the couch, smoke weed and make babies. You left the white slaves out of your rant.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Think about that.
We have deviated from the pathway laid out by our framers...Have we become a better nation FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE as a result?
WHY or WHY NOT?
Let’s keep this simple...spare us the “the Constitutution was written in such a way to allow for revision and deviation to grow with the times” bullshit please. Thanks in advance.

who do you mean by "we"?

heterosexual white males and white conservative females would be better off.

at the expense of millions of other people.

If you lived the exact and original wording of the constitution who would you enslave?

"who do you mean by "we"?
heterosexual white males and white conservative females would be better off."

Damn that would be terrible...you mean the founders, the builders of this great nation would be better off? That would suck wouldn't it?
Are you thinking a bunch of "Other than Japanese" types should takeover Japan and make it a place for themselves one day?