What is a “well-regulated militia” and why are we so sure it refers to everyone?

[Nostra]

So only people aged 18-54 are eligible to keep and bear arms then?

Is that in the Second Amendment?

Link.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Doesn’t matter.

It does. The time necessitated a militia. Today it doesn’t.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So literally everyone then?

At this point in time, yes... Anyone that fits the militia act by age.

 

[Billy_Bob]

It does. The time necessitated a militia. Today it doesn’t.

Wrong... One of the reasons Japan never attacked the US was the fact they feared a rifle behind every blade of grass. IT continues to this day.. The need of the people to be armed is also to keep our own government from becoming tyrannical. The DOI explains this very clearly.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."


The democrats are trying very hard to destroy the US as founded. We have the right and duty to stop them.

 

[Missourian]

So only people aged 18-54 are eligible to keep and bear arms then?

Does the Second Amendment say "the right of militia members to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"?

No?

Then no.

 

[Nostra]

It does. The time necessitated a militia. Today it doesn’t.

No, it didn’t. Why do you morons only want to read the first sentence of the Amendment?

Too many words for your pea brain?

 

[daveman]

Lol this is so stupid.

If you don't like being called a mindless drone, stop being a mindless drone. Your call.

 

[Rogue AI]

"shit fam u rite imma give up all my guns now"

-- no one ever

Except Australians, Kiwis, Britons, and Canadians.

 

[Kondor3]

Not sure your massive dipshittery deserves intelligent feedback as it would be wasted on you.

Dat's my boy Cool Hand Nostra... keeps comin' back with a handfulla nuthin'...

 

[Nostra]

Dat's my boy Cool Hand Nostra... keeps comin' back with a handfulla nuthin'...

see.

 

[TemplarKormac]

A reasonable person would construe this to mean (a) adults and (b) the general population, armed to serve as a Militia of Last Resort for national defense.

A reasonable person can see that the adult members of any last resort militia need to already be armed for the militia to be a militia. In other words, the adults need to be armed before forming the militia, thus "the right to bear arms." There can be no militia if the people forming it don't already have the right to bear arms to begin with.

 

[AMart]

The rightwing will cite court precedent for this issue, but they don’t actually offer an explanation for why it should be interpreted this way.

Should this apply to 5 year olds? Should it be made legal for kids to buy firearms from a licensed firearm business because of how this is interpreted?

Up to the parents. I could shoot at 7 years old. I can tell you that well regulated does not mean government approved commie boy.

 

[Billy000]

Up to the parents. I could shoot at 7 years old. I can tell you that well regulated does not mean government approved commie boy.

Where in the amendment does it specify anything about parents? Parents don’t need to give kids permission to have freedom of speech. Also, we need to address how stupid of an idea this is anyway. Up to the parents? What if they are incompetent or don’t give a fuck about their safety?

 

[daveman]

Except Australians, Kiwis, Britons, and Canadians.

Uh huh. They gave up their guns with the threat of government violence, not because some internet dumbass can't read.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Lol this is so stupid.

You are a liar.

If you didn't want ban and confiscation you and your communist ilk would not have pushed the Heller matter seeking to declare the right collective only (a logical impossibility).

Because you are such a rotten liar, you and your goose-stepping Marxist ilk (who also lie about everything in their agenda) get NOTHING.

We will have this new stupid law declared unconstitutional and likely will get the entire Fed gun infringement scheme shot down with it.

Now, go fuck your commie self.

 

[Billy000]

You are a liar.

If you didn't want ban and confiscation you and your communist ilk would not have pushed the Heller matter seeking to declare the right collective only (a logical impossibility).

Because you are such a rotten liar, you and your goose-stepping Marxist ilk (who also lie about everything in their agenda) get NOTHING.

We will have this new stupid law declared unconstitutional and likely will get the entire Fed gun infringement scheme shot down with it.

Now, go fuck your commie self.

Lol you righttards really struggle with basic nuance huh? It’s something beyond your comprehension I guess. Pushing for some level of gun control does not automatically equate to supporting gun confiscation and banning all guns altogether. It’s such a stupid, emotional, juvenile notion.

 

[Rogue AI]

Lol you righttards really struggle with basic nuance huh? It’s something beyond your comprehension I guess. Pushing for some level of gun control does not automatically equate to supporting gun confiscation and banning all guns altogether. It’s such a stupid, emotional, juvenile notion.

So clearly and concisely list all aspects of 'sensible' gun control so everyone is clear as to where you stand.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So clearly and concisely list all aspects of 'sensible' gun control so everyone is clear as to where you stand.

This idiot thinks none for you... This is how the rabid left wants you to feel good about giving up your rights. The term "sensible" is very ambiguous and can mean anything they want. IT sounds good but it is a ruse.

 

[whitehall]

Only the radical left seems to loose sleep over the wording in the 2nd Amendment. The issue has been settled in a dozen decisions. Go back to sleep.

 

[Billy000]

So clearly and concisely list all aspects of 'sensible' gun control so everyone is clear as to where you stand.

My take on gun control would be highly restrictive but would still definitely fall short of confiscation of current ownership or banning all of them altogether. Of course, if another leftie simply suggested something like limiting capacity OR strict enforcement of national or state background checks is still automatically equated to the mentality of confiscation or banning of all firearms. I mean this shouldn’t be hard to figure out. You all can’t approach the subject with any rationality.