What is it that ideas and people are 'left' or 'right' of?

[danielpalos]

Do 'liberals' really think government has the absolute 'right' to people's money? Anyone identifying as 'liberal' wish to comment?
"Absolute right" in itself is a difficult term to digest.

The power to Tax is not a right; it is a social Power.

 

[there4eyeM]

I think that our government needs money for roads, the military, police, fire, schools.

socialist conservatives want MY money for THEIR own good (football stadiums)

but hate spending THEIR money for EVERYONE'S education and health care....

Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group.

"The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group."

right

liberals promote freedom of the individual.
while conservatives promote denial of rights to anyone who is NOT heterosexual, white and christian.

"Stupid is as stupid does." Forests' mom. What is a socialist conservative? The only thing that stands out in your post is your racism, which makes everything you say bigoted.

Is "racism" the term? the quoted poster's contributions have been strongly worded without going into race, etc., at least that this poster has seen.
That quotation from "Forest Gump" remains an inscrutable expression.

 

[there4eyeM]

Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group.

"The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group."

right

liberals promote freedom of the individual.
while conservatives promote denial of rights to anyone who is NOT heterosexual, white and christian.

Let us have some sources or I will be the first to say you are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

Just to set things squarely on track; this thread is supposed to explore what people put into 'left' and 'right'. This can be purely opinion, impression, perception...
Saying, "Reagan was not a fiscal conservative demands" stats, questions asked. "'Right' means absurd nonsense" is obviously an opinion, and an absurd one, and could never be quantified even if we believed it.

 

[Freiheit]

I think that our government needs money for roads, the military, police, fire, schools.

socialist conservatives want MY money for THEIR own good (football stadiums)

but hate spending THEIR money for EVERYONE'S education and health care....

Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group.

"The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group."

right

liberals promote freedom of the individual.
while conservatives promote denial of rights to anyone who is NOT heterosexual, white and christian.

"Stupid is as stupid does." Forests' mom. What is a socialist conservative? The only thing that stands out in your post is your racism, which makes everything you say bigoted.

Is "racism" the term? the quoted poster's contributions have been strongly worded without going into race, etc., at least that this poster has seen.
That quotation from "Forest Gump" remains an inscrutable expression.

"while conservatives promote denial of rights to anyone who is NOT heterosexual, white and christian." Was stated and is racist unless one is dense beyond words.
If "stupid is as stupid does" is inscrutable perhaps comprehesion is at fault.

 

[there4eyeM]

I think that our government needs money for roads, the military, police, fire, schools.

socialist conservatives want MY money for THEIR own good (football stadiums)

but hate spending THEIR money for EVERYONE'S education and health care....

Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group.

"The freedom of the individual contrasted with the good of the group."

right

liberals promote freedom of the individual.
while conservatives promote denial of rights to anyone who is NOT heterosexual, white and christian.

"Stupid is as stupid does." Forests' mom. What is a socialist conservative? The only thing that stands out in your post is your racism, which makes everything you say bigoted.

Is "racism" the term? the quoted poster's contributions have been strongly worded without going into race, etc., at least that this poster has seen.
That quotation from "Forest Gump" remains an inscrutable expression.

"while conservatives promote denial of rights to anyone who is NOT heterosexual, white and christian." Was stated and is racist unless one is dense beyond words.
If "stupid is as stupid does" is inscrutable perhaps comprehesion is at fault.

The quotation is an accusation of racism, not racist in itself. Whose comprehension is at fault, here?
We should be conservative in criticism and liberal in praise.

 

[there4eyeM]

Do 'liberals' really think government has the absolute 'right' to people's money? Anyone identifying as 'liberal' wish to comment?
"Absolute right" in itself is a difficult term to digest.

The power to Tax is not a right; it is a social Power.

Of course, history teaches us that "social power" has the 'right' to do anything, even that which is antisocial.

 

[danielpalos]

Do 'liberals' really think government has the absolute 'right' to people's money? Anyone identifying as 'liberal' wish to comment?
"Absolute right" in itself is a difficult term to digest.

The power to Tax is not a right; it is a social Power.

Of course, history teaches us that "social power" has the 'right' to do anything, even that which is antisocial.

It is a social power exercised by the Person holding the Office.

 

[there4eyeM]

Do 'liberals' really think government has the absolute 'right' to people's money? Anyone identifying as 'liberal' wish to comment?
"Absolute right" in itself is a difficult term to digest.

The power to Tax is not a right; it is a social Power.

Of course, history teaches us that "social power" has the 'right' to do anything, even that which is antisocial.

It is a social power exercised by the Person holding the Office.

...and embraced by minions. There is no indication Adolf Hitler personally killed anyone. People kill people, and often merely because they turn their thinking and will over to others.
This is the major reason for mistrusting democracy (in any of its forms). Obviously unqualified individuals participate in decisions of importance. And it is not just a question of money or education. The Congress of the U.S. demonstrates (all too clearly) how well-paid, highly educated persons practice intense malmanagement.

 

[danielpalos]

Do 'liberals' really think government has the absolute 'right' to people's money? Anyone identifying as 'liberal' wish to comment?
"Absolute right" in itself is a difficult term to digest.

The power to Tax is not a right; it is a social Power.

Of course, history teaches us that "social power" has the 'right' to do anything, even that which is antisocial.

It is a social power exercised by the Person holding the Office.

...and embraced by minions. There is no indication Adolf Hitler personally killed anyone. People kill people, and often merely because they turn their thinking and will over to others.
This is the major reason for mistrusting democracy (in any of its forms). Obviously unqualified individuals participate in decisions of importance. And it is not just a question of money or education. The Congress of the U.S. demonstrates (all too clearly) how well-paid, highly educated persons practice intense malmanagement.

The public sector is public not private. The right wing is not being very diligent.

 

[Wry Catcher]

As time has passed, many nouns and descriptions have become so over-used as to have at best very vague meanings.
'Right' and 'left' originally referred to positions with a monarch at the center. Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The terms were established during the French Revolution, those who supported the Monarch, sat to his right; those who supported the people, sat to his left.

Today, the Right supports the executive (and sadly so does the Senate and the H. or Rep., and now the Supreme Court's majority) and the Left supports We the People.

This should be clear to everyone, but as a man once observed, some people can be fooled all of the time.

 

[there4eyeM]

As time has passed, many nouns and descriptions have become so over-used as to have at best very vague meanings.
'Right' and 'left' originally referred to positions with a monarch at the center. Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The terms were established during the French Revolution, those who supported the Monarch, sat to his right; those who supported the people, sat to his left.

Today, the Right supports the executive (and sadly so does the Senate and the H. or Rep., and now the Supreme Court's majority) and the Left supports We the People.

This should be clear to everyone, but as a man once observed, some people can be fooled all of the time.

That is probably how I would have put it if it hadn't been for so many people so often using the terms with so scattered a number of meanings.
This thread was intended just to have people throw their words out there and see what they intended by them, not what I might.

 

[bendog]

Do 'liberals' really think government has the absolute 'right' to people's money? Anyone identifying as 'liberal' wish to comment?
"Absolute right" in itself is a difficult term to digest.

The power to Tax is not a right; it is a social Power.

Of course, history teaches us that "social power" has the 'right' to do anything, even that which is antisocial.

That's not precisely correct. Taxes may not be levied to violate rights secured under the BoR. For example, under this theory congress could not pass a tax on purchasing firearms that was so high few could pay the tax.

 

[there4eyeM]

Do 'liberals' really think government has the absolute 'right' to people's money? Anyone identifying as 'liberal' wish to comment?
"Absolute right" in itself is a difficult term to digest.

The power to Tax is not a right; it is a social Power.

Of course, history teaches us that "social power" has the 'right' to do anything, even that which is antisocial.

That's not precisely correct. Taxes may not be levied to violate rights secured under the BoR. For example, under this theory congress could not pass a tax on purchasing firearms that was so high few could pay the tax.

The quoted post was talking about world history.

 

[bendog]

As time has passed, many nouns and descriptions have become so over-used as to have at best very vague meanings.
'Right' and 'left' originally referred to positions with a monarch at the center. Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The terms were established during the French Revolution, those who supported the Monarch, sat to his right; those who supported the people, sat to his left.

Today, the Right supports the executive (and sadly so does the Senate and the H. or Rep., and now the Supreme Court's majority) and the Left supports We the People.

This should be clear to everyone, but as a man once observed, some people can be fooled all of the time.

Perhaps. And not to accuse y of partisanship at all, partisans would ignore that Obama did support warrantless wire taps. And generally Dems have been very agreeable to expanded executive power when it was convenient.

 

[bendog]

As time has passed, many nouns and descriptions have become so over-used as to have at best very vague meanings.
'Right' and 'left' originally referred to positions with a monarch at the center. Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The terms were established during the French Revolution, those who supported the Monarch, sat to his right; those who supported the people, sat to his left.

Today, the Right supports the executive (and sadly so does the Senate and the H. or Rep., and now the Supreme Court's majority) and the Left supports We the People.

This should be clear to everyone, but as a man once observed, some people can be fooled all of the time.

Perhaps. And not to accuse y of partisanship at all, partisans would ignore that Obama did support warrantless wire taps. And generally Dems have been very agreeable to expanded executive power when it was convenient.

sorry. I jumped your thread because I was avoiding threads where posters viewed ends rather than means.

 

[Tehon]

As time has passed, many nouns and descriptions have become so over-used as to have at best very vague meanings.
'Right' and 'left' originally referred to positions with a monarch at the center. Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The terms were established during the French Revolution, those who supported the Monarch, sat to his right; those who supported the people, sat to his left.

Today, the Right supports the executive (and sadly so does the Senate and the H. or Rep., and now the Supreme Court's majority) and the Left supports We the People.

This should be clear to everyone, but as a man once observed, some people can be fooled all of the time.

Perhaps. And not to accuse y of partisanship at all, partisans would ignore that Obama did support warrantless wire taps. And generally Dems have been very agreeable to expanded executive power when it was convenient.

The Democrat party is not a leftist party, imo.

 

[Wry Catcher]

As time has passed, many nouns and descriptions have become so over-used as to have at best very vague meanings.
'Right' and 'left' originally referred to positions with a monarch at the center. Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The terms were established during the French Revolution, those who supported the Monarch, sat to his right; those who supported the people, sat to his left.

Today, the Right supports the executive (and sadly so does the Senate and the H. or Rep., and now the Supreme Court's majority) and the Left supports We the People.

This should be clear to everyone, but as a man once observed, some people can be fooled all of the time.

Perhaps. And not to accuse y of partisanship at all, partisans would ignore that Obama did support warrantless wire taps. And generally Dems have been very agreeable to expanded executive power when it was convenient.

The Democrat party is not a leftist party, imo.

The small 'c' conservatives want everyone to believe that the Democrats are in league with Marx and Mao, and claim it is leftist in terms of its economic ideology.

That the Democratic Party supports Capitalism with regulations, to protect the people, consumers and our environment, which conflicts with those who want laissiez faire Capitalism, and today under Trump we see Capitalism being unregulated and functioning by Trump's Administration as Crony Capitalism.

By political science terminology, the Democratic Party is left, for it supports the people, and the Republican Party is Right, sense it is Plutocratic and corrupt as were the Monarchies of the 16th and 17th centuries.

 

[there4eyeM]

"Corrupt" is strong as a general statement about either party, and accurate to some degree in both.
As the clché goes, power corrupts....
We have given far too much power to those who have shown that they do not know how best to use it.

 

[Tehon]

As time has passed, many nouns and descriptions have become so over-used as to have at best very vague meanings.
'Right' and 'left' originally referred to positions with a monarch at the center. Today, what do 'right' and 'left' mean? In relation to what do they derive their orientation?

The terms were established during the French Revolution, those who supported the Monarch, sat to his right; those who supported the people, sat to his left.

Today, the Right supports the executive (and sadly so does the Senate and the H. or Rep., and now the Supreme Court's majority) and the Left supports We the People.

This should be clear to everyone, but as a man once observed, some people can be fooled all of the time.

Perhaps. And not to accuse y of partisanship at all, partisans would ignore that Obama did support warrantless wire taps. And generally Dems have been very agreeable to expanded executive power when it was convenient.

The Democrat party is not a leftist party, imo.

The small 'c' conservatives want everyone to believe that the Democrats are in league with Marx and Mao, and claim it is leftist in terms of its economic ideology.

That the Democratic Party supports Capitalism with regulations, to protect the people, consumers and our environment, which conflicts with those who want laissiez faire Capitalism, and today under Trump we see Capitalism being unregulated and functioning by Trump's Administration as Crony Capitalism.

By political science terminology, the Democratic Party is left, for it supports the people, and the Republican Party is Right, sense it is Plutocratic and corrupt as were the Monarchies of the 16th and 17th centuries.

Plutocrats are people too. The Democratic Party decided a number of years ago that it had to openly move right to compete with Reagan Republicans.

We can see now by the abject failure of Hillary Clinton to defeat Trump and by the surge of "democratic socialism" that many of "the people" have lost faith in the Democratic Party to support them. The Democratic Party is in a predicament here. They've sold themselves to the plutocrats and are incapable of delivering what the people want. They will continue, out of necessity, to use deceitful and underhanded methods in an effort to ensure their base that they are the only antidote to the Republicans. There is no doubt the small 'c' conservatives have a role to play in the charade.

The Democratic Party is left only in a rhetorical sense.

 

[Muhammed]

/——/ Mostly Left or right of the original intent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights

This, in fact, illustrates exactly the problem of the shift concepts. The American form adopted at the birth of the nation was about as far left as existed at the time.

Not to mention ignoring completely what is meant by the concepts of left and right.

Leftist extremists are moonbats and the far right are wingnuts.