What Is The Democratic Road Map To The White House?

[Ridgerunner]

What happens in 30 years if the top 1% keep sucking up the majority of the new money and wealth. Play it out and tell how that economy and society looks. Seriously think about and try and give an objective and intelligent answer

The 1% diatribe the socialist leaning leftists is nothing but a old worn out talking point meant to stir up the masses... There has always been the uber rich and always will be... If you don't like your lot in life, get off your ass and earn what you want... What does the economy and society look like in 30 years? Who in the hell knows? Way to many varibles to prognosticate such a question... Now bring on your farting and beer drinking crap and try to embarrass me off the thread...

im not trying to embarrass you off the thread i'm trying to have an honest conversation. And you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what our economy and society will look like in 30 years. I asked what it would look like if current trend of the top 1% sucking up the vast majority of new money and wealth in this country.

I'll give you my theory and you tell me if you agree or not... The top earners and corporations keep acquiring property and businesses. They gain more power over the marketplace and leverage that power to squeeze out their competitors. Home ownership goes down and renters go up. The number of business owners go down and the number of employees go up.

You want to promote free market capitalism and you despise Socialism, right? Well, this picture i'm painting ends in a form of capitalistic socialism where instead of the government controlling everything a handful of the rich and powerful will.

FYI. I am a business owner. I support low taxes and small government and limited regulation. But I also understand the roll of government and can identify the dangers that can result from an unregulated free market.

Thoughts?

In a way I did answer your question... I said that the 1% have always been around and they have... Since the beginning of time man has been stashing away fur and food... You seem intelligent enough to be able to go back through history and name wealthy families. Vanderbilt, Rockefeller just to name a few... These 1%'ers never stopped Jeff Bezos from driving across the country with a few boxes of books and a dream... Don't fear big business or competition, learn from it...

And the capitalistic Socialism you speak of has a name, Feudalism... It did not work in medieval times and would not work now...

 

[rightwinger]

Trump may not even get the GOP nomination in 2020
37% approval leaves him open to a challenge

He will drop out because of heel spurs

 

[Slade3200]

What happens in 30 years if the top 1% keep sucking up the majority of the new money and wealth. Play it out and tell how that economy and society looks. Seriously think about and try and give an objective and intelligent answer

The 1% diatribe the socialist leaning leftists is nothing but a old worn out talking point meant to stir up the masses... There has always been the uber rich and always will be... If you don't like your lot in life, get off your ass and earn what you want... What does the economy and society look like in 30 years? Who in the hell knows? Way to many varibles to prognosticate such a question... Now bring on your farting and beer drinking crap and try to embarrass me off the thread...

im not trying to embarrass you off the thread i'm trying to have an honest conversation. And you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what our economy and society will look like in 30 years. I asked what it would look like if current trend of the top 1% sucking up the vast majority of new money and wealth in this country.

I'll give you my theory and you tell me if you agree or not... The top earners and corporations keep acquiring property and businesses. They gain more power over the marketplace and leverage that power to squeeze out their competitors. Home ownership goes down and renters go up. The number of business owners go down and the number of employees go up.

You want to promote free market capitalism and you despise Socialism, right? Well, this picture i'm painting ends in a form of capitalistic socialism where instead of the government controlling everything a handful of the rich and powerful will.

FYI. I am a business owner. I support low taxes and small government and limited regulation. But I also understand the roll of government and can identify the dangers that can result from an unregulated free market.

Thoughts?

In a way I did answer your question... I said that the 1% have always been around and they have... Since the beginning of time man has been stashing away fur and food... You seem intelligent enough to be able to go back through history and name wealthy families. Vanderbilt, Rockefeller just to name a few... These 1%'ers never stopped Jeff Bezos from driving across the country with a few boxes of books and a dream... Don't fear big business or competition, learn from it...

And the capitalistic Socialism you speak of has a name, Feudalism... It did not work in medieval times and would not work now...

Technology and globalism has evolved a lot since medieval times. Our world has become very saturated and though you are correct that there has always been the top 1% the inequality of wealth when looking at how much the top owns compared to the rest of society has never been worse. Especially when you consider the power element of what their wealth represents in our market. 100 years ago a rich powerful guy in New York isn't going to have much influence in California, see what I mean? Now look at the trend of where the wealth in our country has flowed over the past few decades. New money gets added to our economy through the lending process and where does most of that money go? Now just play that trend out over a few more decades... The result is a shrinking middle class and the end result is a two class system of the very wealthy and the obedient "poor"

Don't even get me started with automation. That is gas on the fire.

 

[Ridgerunner]

What happens in 30 years if the top 1% keep sucking up the majority of the new money and wealth. Play it out and tell how that economy and society looks. Seriously think about and try and give an objective and intelligent answer

The 1% diatribe the socialist leaning leftists is nothing but a old worn out talking point meant to stir up the masses... There has always been the uber rich and always will be... If you don't like your lot in life, get off your ass and earn what you want... What does the economy and society look like in 30 years? Who in the hell knows? Way to many varibles to prognosticate such a question... Now bring on your farting and beer drinking crap and try to embarrass me off the thread...

im not trying to embarrass you off the thread i'm trying to have an honest conversation. And you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what our economy and society will look like in 30 years. I asked what it would look like if current trend of the top 1% sucking up the vast majority of new money and wealth in this country.

I'll give you my theory and you tell me if you agree or not... The top earners and corporations keep acquiring property and businesses. They gain more power over the marketplace and leverage that power to squeeze out their competitors. Home ownership goes down and renters go up. The number of business owners go down and the number of employees go up.

You want to promote free market capitalism and you despise Socialism, right? Well, this picture i'm painting ends in a form of capitalistic socialism where instead of the government controlling everything a handful of the rich and powerful will.

FYI. I am a business owner. I support low taxes and small government and limited regulation. But I also understand the roll of government and can identify the dangers that can result from an unregulated free market.

Thoughts?

In a way I did answer your question... I said that the 1% have always been around and they have... Since the beginning of time man has been stashing away fur and food... You seem intelligent enough to be able to go back through history and name wealthy families. Vanderbilt, Rockefeller just to name a few... These 1%'ers never stopped Jeff Bezos from driving across the country with a few boxes of books and a dream... Don't fear big business or competition, learn from it...

And the capitalistic Socialism you speak of has a name, Feudalism... It did not work in medieval times and would not work now...

Technology and globalism has evolved a lot since medieval times. Our world has become very saturated and though you are correct that there has always been the top 1% the inequality of wealth when looking at how much the top owns compared to the rest of society has never been worse. Especially when you consider the power element of what their wealth represents in our market. 100 years ago a rich powerful guy in New York isn't going to have much influence in California, see what I mean? Now look at the trend of where the wealth in our country has flowed over the past few decades. New money gets added to our economy through the lending process and where does most of that money go? Now just play that trend out over a few more decades... The result is a shrinking middle class and the end result is a two class system of the very wealthy and the obedient "poor"

Don't even get me started with automation. That is gas on the fire.

I have a tendency to be a bit more optimistic re: man... We are survivors... Everything you have used as examples have been utilized i.e. lending in the past by these historical 1%er's... As far as the middle class goes, wasn't much of one till the industrial revolution... Who is to say that in the next 10 years some sort of technology will come along that will feed the middle class beyond your wildest dreams...

"Don't even get me started with automation. That is gas on the fire."

You sound like a Buggy Maker I knew back in 1906...

 

[Slade3200]

What happens in 30 years if the top 1% keep sucking up the majority of the new money and wealth. Play it out and tell how that economy and society looks. Seriously think about and try and give an objective and intelligent answer

The 1% diatribe the socialist leaning leftists is nothing but a old worn out talking point meant to stir up the masses... There has always been the uber rich and always will be... If you don't like your lot in life, get off your ass and earn what you want... What does the economy and society look like in 30 years? Who in the hell knows? Way to many varibles to prognosticate such a question... Now bring on your farting and beer drinking crap and try to embarrass me off the thread...

im not trying to embarrass you off the thread i'm trying to have an honest conversation. And you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask what our economy and society will look like in 30 years. I asked what it would look like if current trend of the top 1% sucking up the vast majority of new money and wealth in this country.

I'll give you my theory and you tell me if you agree or not... The top earners and corporations keep acquiring property and businesses. They gain more power over the marketplace and leverage that power to squeeze out their competitors. Home ownership goes down and renters go up. The number of business owners go down and the number of employees go up.

You want to promote free market capitalism and you despise Socialism, right? Well, this picture i'm painting ends in a form of capitalistic socialism where instead of the government controlling everything a handful of the rich and powerful will.

FYI. I am a business owner. I support low taxes and small government and limited regulation. But I also understand the roll of government and can identify the dangers that can result from an unregulated free market.

Thoughts?

In a way I did answer your question... I said that the 1% have always been around and they have... Since the beginning of time man has been stashing away fur and food... You seem intelligent enough to be able to go back through history and name wealthy families. Vanderbilt, Rockefeller just to name a few... These 1%'ers never stopped Jeff Bezos from driving across the country with a few boxes of books and a dream... Don't fear big business or competition, learn from it...

And the capitalistic Socialism you speak of has a name, Feudalism... It did not work in medieval times and would not work now...

Technology and globalism has evolved a lot since medieval times. Our world has become very saturated and though you are correct that there has always been the top 1% the inequality of wealth when looking at how much the top owns compared to the rest of society has never been worse. Especially when you consider the power element of what their wealth represents in our market. 100 years ago a rich powerful guy in New York isn't going to have much influence in California, see what I mean? Now look at the trend of where the wealth in our country has flowed over the past few decades. New money gets added to our economy through the lending process and where does most of that money go? Now just play that trend out over a few more decades... The result is a shrinking middle class and the end result is a two class system of the very wealthy and the obedient "poor"

Don't even get me started with automation. That is gas on the fire.

I have a tendency to be a bit more optimistic re: man... We are survivors... Everything you have used as examples have been utilized i.e. lending in the past by these historical 1%er's... As far as the middle class goes, wasn't much of one till the industrial revolution... Who is to say that in the next 10 years some sort of technology will come along that will feed the middle class beyond your wildest dreams...

"Don't even get me started with automation. That is gas on the fire."

You sound like a Buggy Maker I knew back in 1906...

Maybe you aren’t understanding what I’m trying to do in this conversation. I’m not bringing in ideology or politics. I’m not even trying to bring in personal opinions. I’m simply exploring economic outcomes IF certain trends of distribution of wealth persist.

I am a business owner and I work in technology. I’m not anti automation, I do a fair amount of work on automating systems. However I can still recognize economic and sociological risks to automation.

I am posing economic questions to you and trying to get you to really think about the answers so you can tell me if wealth inequality could be a threat.

So what happens IF... the top earners continue to accumulate wealthy and new Money like they have for the past couple decades? I laid out my thoughts, do you not think I made fair points?

I’m not implying that we will all be slaves to mean corporate billionaires, but there will be a huge power and wealth inbalance and I’m asking if you understand the dangers and repercussions that could come from that. We live in very different times than in the past. We are reaching a saturation level that technology hasn’t allowed us to reach in the past. This stuff should be talked about not ignored

 

[sealybobo]

Yes, Trump is wildly unpopular. Yes, Trump is an idiot. Yes, Trump is a pathological liar. Yes, Trump is in love with Vladimir.

Quack, quack, quack.

But...if he chooses to run for re-election (which he may not), he will win again if the Democrats put up a corrupt, entitlement-minded, loser again.

In 2018, the Democrats will probably gain some ground with their "Stop Trump!" platform. That worked in Alabama and Virginia recently.

Exactly what it is about Trump they want to stop has yet to be defined.

But in 2020, the Democrats better have something for their bumper stickers besides "Stop Trump!" They better have a better plan to Make America Sane Again.

"We'll raise tax rates back to where they were."

"We'll let illegal Mexicans back into the country."

What, exactly, do they have?


At this point, I do not see a Democratic road map to the White House. At all.

I hope to Christ the Democrats aren't hanging all of their hopes and dreams on a timely economic crash.

They got to get the 80% poor people to show up and vote for fairness. Affordable college and healthcare but I think democrats have to call Americans out. Republicans obstructed in 2009 and voters rewarded them by not showing up to vote.

Republicans lose if the masses show up.

If you think the rich are the ones who should have got the help vote gop.

Even if they only gave the middle class a tax break that would have helped business and increased hiring to meet the demand. This tax break was unnecessary

 

[OKTexas]

Dems road to the white house.

 

[busybee01]

Yes, Trump is wildly unpopular. Yes, Trump is an idiot. Yes, Trump is a pathological liar. Yes, Trump is in love with Vladimir.

Quack, quack, quack.

But...if he chooses to run for re-election (which he may not), he will win again if the Democrats put up a corrupt, entitlement-minded, loser again.

In 2018, the Democrats will probably gain some ground with their "Stop Trump!" platform. That worked in Alabama and Virginia recently.

Exactly what it is about Trump they want to stop has yet to be defined.

But in 2020, the Democrats better have something for their bumper stickers besides "Stop Trump!" They better have a better plan to Make America Sane Again.

"We'll raise tax rates back to where they were."

"We'll let illegal Mexicans back into the country."

What, exactly, do they have?


At this point, I do not see a Democratic road map to the White House. At all.

I hope to Christ the Democrats aren't hanging all of their hopes and dreams on a timely economic crash.

Democrats put up the worst candidate perhaps in modern history. Yet Republicans won narrowly in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida. The fact is that the electorate seems to be more in tune with voters. There is a pathway for Democrats largely due to the Republicans moving too far to the right.

A Democrat likely will run on undoing the damage Republicans have done to healthcare. They also would likely repeal parts of the Republican tax bill. They also would run on re-regulating. They will run on amnesty and if Trump deports DACA recipients it will give Democrats red meat to run on. All of these are stances the voters agree wsith.

 

[busybee01]

Yes, Trump is wildly unpopular. Yes, Trump is an idiot. Yes, Trump is a pathological liar. Yes, Trump is in love with Vladimir.

Quack, quack, quack.

But...if he chooses to run for re-election (which he may not), he will win again if the Democrats put up a corrupt, entitlement-minded, loser again.

In 2018, the Democrats will probably gain some ground with their "Stop Trump!" platform. That worked in Alabama and Virginia recently.

Exactly what it is about Trump they want to stop has yet to be defined.

But in 2020, the Democrats better have something for their bumper stickers besides "Stop Trump!" They better have a better plan to Make America Sane Again.

"We'll raise tax rates back to where they were."

"We'll let illegal Mexicans back into the country."

What, exactly, do they have?


At this point, I do not see a Democratic road map to the White House. At all.

I hope to Christ the Democrats aren't hanging all of their hopes and dreams on a timely economic crash.

two years before the election Hillary Clinton had an approval rating of over 70%. Then the rabid GOP started fake investigations designed to drive down her approval numbers... which they were able to do....

can you say "behghaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzziiiiiiiiiiiiiii"?

Yes, but that won't work on Trump. Can you say "Russia collluuuuuuuusion?"

He'll actually come out stronger on the other end.

Unless...Mueller nails Trump on something entirely different. Like money laundering.

Kind of like the investigation of Bill Clinton started out as a look-see at a law firm in Arkansas and ended as a lie about a blowjob.

Except money laundering is more serious.

Other than that, Trump is golden.

I again disagree. If they make that the focus of the campaign, that would not be smart. However it is clear that Trump and his campaign was willing to accept help from Russians. The coverup the Republicans are doing and threatening to jail people as a part of that coverup will be dfamning. The fact that Trump is pressuring the DOJ to go after Democrats will de disastrous.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, Trump is wildly unpopular. Yes, Trump is an idiot. Yes, Trump is a pathological liar. Yes, Trump is in love with Vladimir.

Quack, quack, quack.

But...if he chooses to run for re-election (which he may not), he will win again if the Democrats put up a corrupt, entitlement-minded, loser again.

In 2018, the Democrats will probably gain some ground with their "Stop Trump!" platform. That worked in Alabama and Virginia recently.

Exactly what it is about Trump they want to stop has yet to be defined.

But in 2020, the Democrats better have something for their bumper stickers besides "Stop Trump!" They better have a better plan to Make America Sane Again.

"We'll raise tax rates back to where they were."

"We'll let illegal Mexicans back into the country."

What, exactly, do they have?


At this point, I do not see a Democratic road map to the White House. At all.

I hope to Christ the Democrats aren't hanging all of their hopes and dreams on a timely economic crash.

Democrats put up the worst candidate perhaps in modern history. Yet Republicans won narrowly in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida. The fact is that the electorate seems to be more in tune with voters. There is a pathway for Democrats largely due to the Republicans moving too far to the right.

A Democrat likely will run on undoing the damage Republicans have done to healthcare. They also would likely repeal parts of the Republican tax bill. They also would run on re-regulating. They will run on amnesty and if Trump deports DACA recipients it will give Democrats red meat to run on. All of these are stances the voters agree wsith.

A Democrat likely will run on undoing the damage Republicans have done to healthcare.

That's a great idea! Maybe they could get me that $2500 a year that Obama was supposed to save me?

They also would likely repeal parts of the Republican tax bill. They also would run on re-regulating. They will run on amnesty and if Trump deports DACA recipients it will give Democrats red meat to run on.

Awesome!!

DEMS 2020....We're gonna raise taxes, add red tape and give citizenship to millions of illegals!!!

They'll win 12 or 15 states, easy.

 

[busybee01]

Trump won by appealing to middle America working class voters the ones who the Democrats used appeal to but over the years they became the party of the coastal elities until the Democrats get back to understanding there is more to the nation than just the east and west coast they will struggle.

Trump won largely because suburban voters reluctantly voted for Trump and against Clinton. These same suburban voters are turning against the GOP. This will likely continue in 2018 and 2020.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump won by appealing to middle America working class voters the ones who the Democrats used appeal to but over the years they became the party of the coastal elities until the Democrats get back to understanding there is more to the nation than just the east and west coast they will struggle.

Trump won largely because suburban voters reluctantly voted for Trump and against Clinton. These same suburban voters are turning against the GOP. This will likely continue in 2018 and 2020.

Yeah, suburban voters are gonna hate their tax cuts. DERP!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dems: we'll raise your taxes you fucking Deplorable

 

[skye]

I'm sorry to break this to the OP


There is only one democrat road to the White House...

And that road is through Guantanamo Bay!


Gimmo it is for all the rats scum.

 

[skye]

There is a new Sheriff in town op!


Wakey wakey.

 

[blackhawk]

Trump won by appealing to middle America working class voters the ones who the Democrats used appeal to but over the years they became the party of the coastal elities until the Democrats get back to understanding there is more to the nation than just the east and west coast they will struggle.

Trump won largely because suburban voters reluctantly voted for Trump and against Clinton. These same suburban voters are turning against the GOP. This will likely continue in 2018 and 2020.

We will see if the economy continues to grow companys continue to hire and wages go up these same voters could very well stick with Trump and the GOP as someone famously said and I will leave the last word off it's the economy.

 

[busybee01]

Yes, Trump is wildly unpopular. Yes, Trump is an idiot. Yes, Trump is a pathological liar. Yes, Trump is in love with Vladimir.

Quack, quack, quack.

But...if he chooses to run for re-election (which he may not), he will win again if the Democrats put up a corrupt, entitlement-minded, loser again.

In 2018, the Democrats will probably gain some ground with their "Stop Trump!" platform. That worked in Alabama and Virginia recently.

Exactly what it is about Trump they want to stop has yet to be defined.

But in 2020, the Democrats better have something for their bumper stickers besides "Stop Trump!" They better have a better plan to Make America Sane Again.

"We'll raise tax rates back to where they were."

"We'll let illegal Mexicans back into the country."

What, exactly, do they have?


At this point, I do not see a Democratic road map to the White House. At all.

I hope to Christ the Democrats aren't hanging all of their hopes and dreams on a timely economic crash.

Democrats put up the worst candidate perhaps in modern history. Yet Republicans won narrowly in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida. The fact is that the electorate seems to be more in tune with voters. There is a pathway for Democrats largely due to the Republicans moving too far to the right.

A Democrat likely will run on undoing the damage Republicans have done to healthcare. They also would likely repeal parts of the Republican tax bill. They also would run on re-regulating. They will run on amnesty and if Trump deports DACA recipients it will give Democrats red meat to run on. All of these are stances the voters agree wsith.

A Democrat likely will run on undoing the damage Republicans have done to healthcare.

That's a great idea! Maybe they could get me that $2500 a year that Obama was supposed to save me?

They also would likely repeal parts of the Republican tax bill. They also would run on re-regulating. They will run on amnesty and if Trump deports DACA recipients it will give Democrats red meat to run on.

Awesome!!

DEMS 2020....We're gonna raise taxes, add red tape and give citizenship to millions of illegals!!!

They'll win 12 or 15 states, easy.

Like it or not voters wanted Obamacare fixed. Republicans are doing everything that will undermine it and are responsible for the huge increase in premiums since the Republicans took over.

Fox News
What do you think should happen to the illegal immigrants who are currently working in the United States -- do you favor deporting as many as possible or do you favor setting up a system for them to become legal residents?
Deport as many as possible 14%
Set up a system to become legal 83%

Do you favor or oppose granting U.S. citizenship for illegal immigrants under the age of 30 who were brought to the United States as children, provided they pass a background check?
Favor 79%
Oppose 19%

Thinking about federal income taxes, how frustrated are you about each of the following:
The wealthy paying too little in taxes:
Frustrated 78%
Not frustrated 19%

Voters might disagree on what you call red tape. Putting coal waste in rivers is not red tape. Requiring financial advisors to put the interest of their clients over their interests is not red tape. Requiring airlines to disclose hidden fees is not red tape. Just because Obama created the regulation does not automatically make it bad.

 

[busybee01]

Trump won by appealing to middle America working class voters the ones who the Democrats used appeal to but over the years they became the party of the coastal elities until the Democrats get back to understanding there is more to the nation than just the east and west coast they will struggle.

Trump won largely because suburban voters reluctantly voted for Trump and against Clinton. These same suburban voters are turning against the GOP. This will likely continue in 2018 and 2020.

We will see if the economy continues to grow companys continue to hire and wages go up these same voters could very well stick with Trump and the GOP as someone famously said and I will leave the last word off it's the economy.

It doesn't matter. Voters don't give Trump credit for it nor does he or Obama deserve any credit. Al Gore lost to Bush even though the economy was strong.

 

[blackhawk]

Trump won by appealing to middle America working class voters the ones who the Democrats used appeal to but over the years they became the party of the coastal elities until the Democrats get back to understanding there is more to the nation than just the east and west coast they will struggle.

Trump won largely because suburban voters reluctantly voted for Trump and against Clinton. These same suburban voters are turning against the GOP. This will likely continue in 2018 and 2020.

We will see if the economy continues to grow companys continue to hire and wages go up these same voters could very well stick with Trump and the GOP as someone famously said and I will leave the last word off it's the economy.

It doesn't matter. Voters don't give Trump credit for it nor does he or Obama deserve any credit. Al Gore lost to Bush even though the economy was strong.

People tend to vote with their wallets there will always be exceptions but that is the general rule.

 

[busybee01]

Trump won by appealing to middle America working class voters the ones who the Democrats used appeal to but over the years they became the party of the coastal elities until the Democrats get back to understanding there is more to the nation than just the east and west coast they will struggle.

Trump won largely because suburban voters reluctantly voted for Trump and against Clinton. These same suburban voters are turning against the GOP. This will likely continue in 2018 and 2020.

Yeah, suburban voters are gonna hate their tax cuts. DERP!

You are the DERP!!! What they are going to hate are the loophole that the rich will be able to use to lower their taxes. Also the fact that Trump benefits mightily with the new rules on real estate trusts. Reagan closed loopholes for everyone. Republicans closed loopholes for the middle class but not the rich. Suburban voters are the likeliest to face tax increases.