What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[RealDave]

Drain the swamp??? The only draining is the US treasury into his pockets.

You being such a duped feeble minded Trumpette loves it.

Specifically HOW?

Should we start with him signing a tax cut that gave him & his family tens of millions of dollars?

How about foreign leaders staying in his hotels to gain favor?

How about going to his resorts all the time bringing his entourage paying for rooms, renting cart carts to follow his fat ass around the courses & even parading foreign leaders as attractions.

How aboit discussing Trump business while on foreign trips as POTUS.

How about his kids doing the same.

How about he never divested & his decisions as POTUS favor hios businesses.

How fucking stupid are you?

Just remember always that Trump can never out do the Demon-crats when it comes to stupidity. The crats got that word covered on all sides. Trying to make Trump shine above the Demon-crats is a failed strategy to be used, because American's memories ain't that short. Trump could mess up everyday, and he still wouldn't catch up to the years gone by of the Demon-crat's mess up's.

So, you are saying you don't care how much Trump lines his own pockets because you think Democrats did it more?

 

[2aguy]

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Children evidently don't have a right to go to school & not get shot because you assfucks need a semiautomatic rifle to get all beerrec up & shoot bottles.

You have a right to be armed. Here is a .22 single shot rifle, now you are armed.

Moron....it is the gun free zone getting kids killed...since we know that mass public shooters choose gun free zones to shoot people...we know from their own statements and their notes...yet you ignore that truth and instead want to take guns away from people who don't use them for crime..that is how stupid you are....

So everyone gets a gun with a free one time opportunity to user it in a crime?

Actually, I don't want assault type weapons & you are such a fucking dick that you think that means all guns.

That doesn't mean any guns in common use right now since the mythical definition of an "Assault"rifle means a military rifle....the AR-15 is not a military rifle....semi automatic rifles are not military rifles.....military rifles have to have select fire capability.....the AR-15 does not.....

You use the "assault type weapon" so that you can eventually define any weapon you choose as an "assault type weapon," including rifles, pistols shotguns...and you will eventually work your way to describing bolt action rifles, lever action rifles, pump action shotguns and revolvers as assault weapons..... your buddies in the anti gun movement have already been playing that game at the local level...

And considering that the pump action shotgun is a current, actual military weapon, and it was used in Crimea, a 5 shot pump action shotgun, to murder 21 people, you will grab that too....

 

[beagle9]

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Children evidently don't have a right to go to school & not get shot because you assfucks need a semiautomatic rifle to get all beerrec up & shoot bottles.

You have a right to be armed. Here is a .22 single shot rifle, now you are armed.

Moron....it is the gun free zone getting kids killed...since we know that mass public shooters choose gun free zones to shoot people...we know from their own statements and their notes...yet you ignore that truth and instead want to take guns away from people who don't use them for crime..that is how stupid you are....

So everyone gets a gun with a free one time opportunity to user it in a crime?

Actually, I don't want assault type weapons & you are such a fucking dick that you think that means all guns.

What about doing something with the criminals and mental cases in society instead ? Oh that's right in the Demon-crats mind they were all just victims that were driven mad in life, so just destroy everyone's freedoms so these people can fit back into society right ? WRONG !!!!!!!!

If they decide to take their misfortunes in life, and become criminals or bad element's in society, well guess what ?? They are the ones who will suffer the consequences of their choices, and not the whole of society as based upon your dreams of a socialist collective utopia.

 

[beagle9]

Drain the swamp??? The only draining is the US treasury into his pockets.

You being such a duped feeble minded Trumpette loves it.

Specifically HOW?

Should we start with him signing a tax cut that gave him & his family tens of millions of dollars?

How about foreign leaders staying in his hotels to gain favor?

How about going to his resorts all the time bringing his entourage paying for rooms, renting cart carts to follow his fat ass around the courses & even parading foreign leaders as attractions.

How aboit discussing Trump business while on foreign trips as POTUS.

How about his kids doing the same.

How about he never divested & his decisions as POTUS favor hios businesses.

How fucking stupid are you?

Just remember always that Trump can never out do the Demon-crats when it comes to stupidity. The crats got that word covered on all sides. Trying to make Trump shine above the Demon-crats is a failed strategy to be used, because American's memories ain't that short. Trump could mess up everyday, and he still wouldn't catch up to the years gone by of the Demon-crat's mess up's.

So, you are saying you don't care how much Trump lines his own pockets because you think Democrats did it more?

Nope, not saying that, and you can't prove he's doing that, but that doesn't stop you from trying to spin it that way.

 

[2aguy]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

Here is the solution...getting rid of gun free zones.....from FBI data we can see that armed citizens, using their legal guns are 94% effective at stopping and reducing the deaths by mass public shooters.....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[Skull Pilot]

HOW did Obama pay for his failed $1 Million dollar 'Stimulus' Bill again, the one that included over 7,000 pieces of Democrat-Only Pork, the failed jobs bill' that ended up costing tax payers - according to the CBO - approx $774,000 PER JOB Barry CLAIMED was saved / created?

WHAT happened with Obamacare - the one Barry swore would not cost a dime and would 'pay for itself'?

First of all, sheepdip, the ARRA was about 800 billion. It was borrowed as stimulus packages are.

SO, what pork is Democratic pork???

38% were tax cuts & tax breaks - did they just go to Democrats????

150 billion - infrastructure - I guess just Democrat infrastructute, right?

Money went to the States because their revenues were slashed in order to help maintain police, firemen & teacher levels.

I guess police, firemen & teachers are all Democrats???

Come on, big mouth. Tells us it was all Democrat yoi stupid fuck

The ACA was completely funded. When was the last think Republicans did that was funded?

They increased military spending - NEVER funded

They expanded Medicare & added part D - NEVER funded

They passed tax cuts - NOT FUNDED.

So please, shove your ignorant head up your fat ass you unecducated POS>

Tax cuts do not need to be funded.

Spending needs to be funded.

so who are you calling uneducated when these two simplest of all financial concepts elude you?

So, we can just reduce revenues. Great plan. What happens when you cut revenues???

You have less money to spend

But you and our moron politicians can't seem to understand that.

You should be complaining about spending not revenue but you don't care about how much of our money the government spends do you?

Wow. now you claim if revenues are down, Congress spends less money. How fucking stupid are you?

Cutting spending when cutting taxes is funding them.

I never claimed revenues were down I answered your hypothetical question.

and tax cuts do NOT have to be funded spending and only spending needs to be funded

Government spending is. always has been and always will be the problem so we need to starve the beast a little

 

[Skull Pilot]

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Everyone shot and killed has the right to life. Gun owners have proven they infringe way too much on the right to life. Regulations are needed.

Hey moron ALL gun owners don't shoot people.

My guns in no way infringe on any of your rights
And I am not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

I drive quite well drunk. so.....

non sequitur

Just getting behind the wheel of a car while intoxicated is a crime

I am committing no crimes in the acquisition or use of my firearms

See the difference there, Corky?

 

[basquebromance]

"Hey @davidhogg111 remember when we teamed up with other GVP groups to flip the comments from mostly pro-bump stock to overwhelmingly anti-bump stock??? Organizing + education has led us to a safer future. On to the next one!" - me

 

[protectionist]

12 dead in CA vs 49 dead in gun friendly FL club shooting. I’d say CA is doing better. Bet he got his magazines out of state.

Bullshit. Pulse club was gunfree zone just like all the other massacre places. If it had some CCWs, shooter would have been stopped.

 

[2aguy]

12 dead in CA vs 49 dead in gun friendly FL club shooting. I’d say CA is doing better. Bet he got his magazines out of state.

Bullshit. Pulse club was gunfree zone just like all the other massacre places. If it had some CCWs, shooter would have been stopped.

I have it from a police source that the Pulse Night Club security guard, an off duty police officer was down the block away from the club dealing with an under age drinker when the shooter entered....he fired at the shooter but did not enter....allowing the killer access to over 300 unarmed, helpless people...

If you want to know how easy it would have been for an armed citizen to have stopped that shooter...watch the show "Active Shooter" on Showtime. This is a documentary series on various active shootings....the Pulse one was interesting because from actual witness testimony, the survivors from inside the club, you can see that the shooter could have been stopped...easily, had anyone had a gun to do it with....

brain knows about this since I told him about it, but he is a vile human being...so he keeps posting his crap regardless of the truth...

 

[protectionist]

I have it from a police source that the Pulse Night Club security guard, an off duty police officer was down the block away from the club dealing with an under age drinker when the shooter entered....he fired at the shooter but did not enter....allowing the killer access to over 300 unarmed, helpless people...

If you want to know how easy it would have been for an armed citizen to have stopped that shooter...watch the show "Active Shooter" on Showtime. This is a documentary series on various active shootings....the Pulse one was interesting because from actual witness testimony, the survivors from inside the club, you can see that the shooter could have been stopped...easily, had anyone had a gun to do it with....

brain knows about this since I told him about it, but he is a vile human being...so he keeps posting his crap regardless of the truth...

Typical liberal MO.

 

[protectionist]

The correct question for this thread should be "Why don't Democrats accept the obvious solution to mass shootings? >> Armed good guys

 

[beagle9]

The correct question for this thread should be "Why don't Democrats accept the obvious solution to mass shootings? >> Armed good guys

And good cops working with armed good guys.

 

[Lesh]

The correct question for this thread should be "Why don't Democrats accept the obvious solution to mass shootings? >> Armed good guys

How'd that "armed good guy" make out in the Alabama Mall shooting just the other week?

Oh that's right. The cops killed him

 

[beagle9]

The correct question for this thread should be "Why don't Democrats accept the obvious solution to mass shootings? >> Armed good guys

How'd that "armed good guy" make out in the Alabama Mall shooting just the other week?

Oh that's right. The cops killed him

How did that happen ?

 

[Lesh]

How did that happen ?

Just like we've been saying it would happen.

Cops arrive on scene...see a guy with a gun...and shoot his ass.

 

[protectionist]

How'd that "armed good guy" make out in the Alabama Mall shooting just the other week?

Oh that's right. The cops killed him

Last I heard he wasn't estabkished as a "good guy" (oher then by you)

 

[protectionist]

How'd that "armed good guy" make out in the Alabama Mall shooting just the other week?

Oh that's right. The cops killed him

Keyword is "cops". Good guy with gun scenario, is for when cops are NOT THERE. Get it ?

 

[protectionist]

How did that happen ?

It happened by the good guy getting involved with a gun in the presence of police. That is a no-no.

 

[beagle9]

How did that happen ?

Just like we've been saying it would happen.

Cops arrive on scene...see a guy with a gun...and shoot his ass.

One incident ? Ok, so either the good guy was a rare untrained citizen with a gun or the cops were over zealous chicken craps who couldn't tell the time of day if the clock was attached to their eyes.

Would be interesting to know the complete details of that crazy bullcrap, but it's no where near the idea that the good citizens are not supposed to be armed or that the good citizens shouldn't have guns.

Sounds like an unfortunate situation, but the good citizen probably knew the risk involved, and decided to carry anyway.

My hopes is that if the cop who shot the good guy was incompetent in the situation, thus causing the good guy to be shot, then hopefully he will be fired and charged with involuntary man slaughter if the good citizen died as a result of being shot.

If the good citizen messed up, then oh well his family has a funeral to attend to.