What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[Lesh]

Keyword is "cops". Good guy with gun scenario, is for when cops are NOT THERE. Get it ?

So cops hear that there's a guy with a gun and DON'T respond?

Go sit in the corner

 

[protectionist]

So cops hear that there's a guy with a gun and DON'T respond?

Go sit in the corner

Don't change the subject, DODGER.

 

[protectionist]

If the good citizen messed up, then oh well his family has a funeral to attend to.

He DID mess up. When cops are there you stay out if it. Let them handle it.

 

[beagle9]

Keyword is "cops". Good guy with gun scenario, is for when cops are NOT THERE. Get it ?

So cops hear that there's a guy with a gun and DON'T respond?

Go sit in the corner

Moving the goal post by using a liberal comprehension of his words eh ?? Why do libs keep trying this, as in the case of Kavanaugh, it ain't working anymore.

 

[Lesh]

Dude...you're babbling

 

[protectionist]

Dude...you're babbling

Not babbling. Not dodging.

 

[Lesh]

You just claimed that cops don't show up at shootings where "good guys with guns:" on on scene.

Keyword is "cops". Good guy with gun scenario, is for when cops are NOT THERE. Get it ?

 

[beagle9]

You just claimed that cops don't show up at shootings where "good guys with guns:" on on scene.

Keyword is "cops". Good guy with gun scenario, is for when cops are NOT THERE. Get it ?

Are you dense ?? He's talking about the good guy being there before the cop gets there by happenstance. This possibly saves lives, and is appreciated by vulnerable citizens who were in grave danger before the cops could arrive. No the good citizen don't replace the cops totally, but until the cops arrive thank God for them. Now it appears that the good guy in the situation went stupid maybe or either a cop went stupid thus killing the good guy.

 

[protectionist]

You just claimed that cops don't show up at shootings where "good guys with guns:" on on scene.

Are you dreaming ? I said absolutely nothing about cops showing up. Those were your words, not mine.

 

[2aguy]

How did that happen ?

Just like we've been saying it would happen.

Cops arrive on scene...see a guy with a gun...and shoot his ass.

And you still have to account for the 94% success rate of armed good guys against mass shooters.....and the police shot the guy, not an armed citizen... that is on your preferred deity...Government...

You take one example of all the ones that went right, the Giffords shooting, The Texas church shooting, Pearl Mississippi......and you have one...get back to us when you have more than one and can get past the 94% success rate for armed citizens against mass public shooters, since lives saved are lives saved...

 

[2aguy]

You just claimed that cops don't show up at shootings where "good guys with guns:" on on scene.

Keyword is "cops". Good guy with gun scenario, is for when cops are NOT THERE. Get it ?

Are you dense ?? He's talking about the good guy being there before the cop gets there by happenstance. This possibly saves lives, and is appreciated by vulnerable citizens who were in grave danger before the cops could arrive. No the good citizen don't replace the cops totally, but until the cops arrive thank God for them. Now it appears that the good guy in the situation went stupid maybe or either a cop went stupid thus killing the good guy.

It does save lives...lots of lives...now lesh and the other anti-gunners have to hide the truth now that we have more information on good guys with guns and active shooters....using FBI data, someone actually ran the numbers on good guys with guns at mass public shootings.....and a 94% success rate is hard to lie about....


Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom).

In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[Lesh]

From

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Concealed Carry.com?

Oh...

 

[Lesh]

Are you dense ?? He's talking about the good guy being there before the cop gets there by happenstance. This possibly saves lives, and is appreciated by vulnerable citizens who were in grave danger before the cops could arrive. No the good citizen don't replace the cops totally, but until the cops arrive thank God for them. Now it appears that the good guy in the situation went stupid maybe or either a cop went stupid thus killing the good guy.

Exactly what happened in Alabama
Cops arrived and shot the guy with the gun

 

[2aguy]

From

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Concealed Carry.com?

Oh...

Run the numbers doofus..... 94% effective rate when normal, law abiding people are allowed their guns in gun free zones.....and even you dumb example....the guy shot by police was keeping people safe, and directing them to safety......it was only when members of your religion, Government, showed up that he was shot......he didn't harm anyone and in fact, kept people safe from attack.......so you fail again...

 

[2aguy]

Are you dense ?? He's talking about the good guy being there before the cop gets there by happenstance. This possibly saves lives, and is appreciated by vulnerable citizens who were in grave danger before the cops could arrive. No the good citizen don't replace the cops totally, but until the cops arrive thank God for them. Now it appears that the good guy in the situation went stupid maybe or either a cop went stupid thus killing the good guy.

Exactly what happened in Alabama
Cops arrived and shot the guy with the gun

One case out of all the other 33 or more.....including the Gifford's shooting and the Texas Church shooting...where armed citizens had their guns out when police arrived and weren't shot....but keep trying to downplay the truth.....you are costing people lives....

 

[Lesh]

Aside from the noise above...it does point out one thing clearly.

The Gun Hugger "solution" to mass shootings?

More fucking guns...

Oh...

 

[2aguy]

Are you dense ?? He's talking about the good guy being there before the cop gets there by happenstance. This possibly saves lives, and is appreciated by vulnerable citizens who were in grave danger before the cops could arrive. No the good citizen don't replace the cops totally, but until the cops arrive thank God for them. Now it appears that the good guy in the situation went stupid maybe or either a cop went stupid thus killing the good guy.

Exactly what happened in Alabama
Cops arrived and shot the guy with the gun

Hey...dipstick....here is an account by Stephen Willeford...the man who stopped the Texas Church shooting using his personal AR-15 rifle...... at the end of the encounter, after chasing after the killer, the police show up, and they didn't shoot Willeford, in fact, they helped him retreat from his position guarding the killers pickup truck....watch the interview and how the police reacted to a man with an AR-15 pointed at a pick up truck.....

The interview with the NRA instructor, AR-15 owner who saved 26 lives starts at the 24:58 mark on the video.....the police arrive in the story at the 32:07 mark on the video.....

 

[2aguy]

Aside from the noise above...it does point out one thing clearly.

The Gun Hugger "solution" to mass shootings?

More fucking guns...

Oh...

You mean a gun in the hand of a normal, good person who stops the killing? You mean that? Long before the police arrive with their guns to stop the killing? Do you realize how stupid you sound? You have no idea what you are talking about, you make no rational arguments about stopping mass shooters, and yet you sit their as if you have the superior position?

As to more guns....more guns save lives....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Lesh]

Aside from the noise above...it does point out one thing clearly.

The Gun Hugger "solution" to mass shootings?

More fucking guns...

Oh...

I repeat

 

[cutter]

The only solution is to shoot back. Remember when the shooting the police are just minutes away, if you last that long, your gun is there already. Thats unless you want to put your safety in the hands of someone whose main goal is to arrest the shooter when they can safely do so
The motto of police every where used to be “serve and protect” now they are there as law enforcement. I’m not putting the many brave policemen and women working today, I’m putting down the politically appointed Cheifs ans supervisors that make those brave police stand down until its safe for them to intervene.