What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[Brain357]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Everyone shot and killed has the right to life. Gun owners have proven they infringe way too much on the right to life. Regulations are needed.

 

[Brain357]

"In Chicago: Despite having the strictest gun laws in the country, a person is shot every 3 hours and murdered every 15 hours

Over 1,785 have been shot this year

746 were shot and killed in 2016

Criminals love gun control because it ensures only criminals control the guns"

Chicago has concealed carry. Notice how it hasn't helped.

Chicago is surrounded by states with weak gun laws.

If the laws against the intended targets who are breaking the law's in Chicago, were to be enforced without any idiotic political correctness, diversity bullcrap, or agenda getting in the way, then Chicago wouldn't have the problems it has today..... You could be surrounded by weakness across all boundary lines, and it still wouldn't matter or wouldn't stop the killing in a place where it has become a normal cultural thing that is tolerated by the stupid liberals etc in that city.

We have the fullest jails in the world.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

Moron, criminals don't use machine guns here because pistols are easier to give to your baby momma to carry just before you shoot the rival gang member....you doofus.....

And in Mexico, with extreme gun control, the drug cartels have no problem getting fully automatic military weapons from Europe and China...or their government millitary and police allies.....

And in Europle......fully automatic military weapons are the weapon of choice for their criminals...where they have extreme gun control...you doofus....

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

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Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.

http://time.com/3687334/arms-smuggling-europe-balkans/



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”



France has strict gun laws. Why didn’t that save Charlie Hebdo victims?


How did the attackers get the guns?

Almost certainly illegally. Bloomberg reports that weapons designed for military use, such as the Kalashnikov AK series, have been illegally flooding France over the past few years, with state bodies recording double digit increases.

“The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms,” Philippe Capon, the head of UNSA police union, told Bloomberg. “They are everywhere in France.”

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The number of illegal guns is thought to be at least twice the number of legal guns in the country. Weapons such as AK-47s can be bought for the equivalent of a few thousand dollars.
3/10/18

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171004/five-things-to-know-about-guns-in-france

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.
Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.
The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

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Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/02/gun-control-in-europe-is-almost-total-it-hasnt-stopped-mass-shooting-attacks-like-las-vegas.html

You heard that right: Countries such as France may have made all semi-automatic guns illegal, but that hasn’t stopped killers from getting fully automatic machine guns to use in mass shooting attacks. All four of the 2015 mass public shooting in France involved machine guns, including the 130 people killed in November of that year in multiple attacks including one at a concert venue.

Hundreds of guns, grenades, ammo seized from French sports shop owner

Hundreds of assault rifles, shotguns, and pistols, along with hand grenades and 100 kilos of ammunition, have been confiscated from a sports shop owner in the northern French port town of Boulogne-sur-Mer.

In total, 488 guns, 13 grenades, 1,309 weapons parts, and more than 100 kilos of cartridges and ammunition were seized, customs officials said in a statement.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

Moron, criminals don't use machine guns here because pistols are easier to give to your baby momma to carry just before you shoot the rival gang member....you doofus.....

And in Mexico, with extreme gun control, the drug cartels have no problem getting fully automatic military weapons from Europe and China...or their government millitary and police allies.....

And in Europle......fully automatic military weapons are the weapon of choice for their criminals...where they have extreme gun control...you doofus....

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

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Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.

http://time.com/3687334/arms-smuggling-europe-balkans/



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”



France has strict gun laws. Why didn’t that save Charlie Hebdo victims?


How did the attackers get the guns?

Almost certainly illegally. Bloomberg reports that weapons designed for military use, such as the Kalashnikov AK series, have been illegally flooding France over the past few years, with state bodies recording double digit increases.

“The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms,” Philippe Capon, the head of UNSA police union, told Bloomberg. “They are everywhere in France.”

----

The number of illegal guns is thought to be at least twice the number of legal guns in the country. Weapons such as AK-47s can be bought for the equivalent of a few thousand dollars.
3/10/18

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171004/five-things-to-know-about-guns-in-france

4. Millions of illegal weapons
France is awash with illegal weapons, with some experts saying that the number of illegal guns may be twice the number of legal ones.
Weapons such as Kalashnikovs, many of which were originally used in the Balkan wars in the 1990s, can be bought for less than 3,000 euros on the black market.
Kalashnikovs are the weapon of choice in deadly score-settling between rival drug gangs in the southern port city of Marseille.
The assault rifles were also the main weapon used in the radical Islamist terror attacks in France in recent years.
The worst single mass shooting took place in the Bataclan concert hall in Paris in November 2015, when gunmen sprayed concert-goers with bullets, killing 89 of them. Dozens more were killed in other attacks the same night in the French capital.

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

But in recent years a black market has proliferated. The number of illegal weapons has risen at a rapid rate – double-digit percentages – for several years, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a body created in 2003.

“In Marseille and the surrounding area almost all the score settling is carried out using weapons used in wars,” a police spokesman told Reuters after the Toulouse attacks, adding that Kalashnikovs were the weapon of choice: “If you don’t have a ‘Kalash’ you’re a bit of a loser.”

============================
Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/02/gun-control-in-europe-is-almost-total-it-hasnt-stopped-mass-shooting-attacks-like-las-vegas.html

You heard that right: Countries such as France may have made all semi-automatic guns illegal, but that hasn’t stopped killers from getting fully automatic machine guns to use in mass shooting attacks. All four of the 2015 mass public shooting in France involved machine guns, including the 130 people killed in November of that year in multiple attacks including one at a concert venue.

Hundreds of guns, grenades, ammo seized from French sports shop owner

Hundreds of assault rifles, shotguns, and pistols, along with hand grenades and 100 kilos of ammunition, have been confiscated from a sports shop owner in the northern French port town of Boulogne-sur-Mer.

In total, 488 guns, 13 grenades, 1,309 weapons parts, and more than 100 kilos of cartridges and ammunition were seized, customs officials said in a statement.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Everyone shot and killed has the right to life. Gun owners have proven they infringe way too much on the right to life. Regulations are needed.

Oh....and you had an earlier post asking about Denmark....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b6bce2-b78b-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html

In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

 

[2aguy]

"In Chicago: Despite having the strictest gun laws in the country, a person is shot every 3 hours and murdered every 15 hours

Over 1,785 have been shot this year

746 were shot and killed in 2016

Criminals love gun control because it ensures only criminals control the guns"

Chicago has concealed carry. Notice how it hasn't helped.

Chicago is surrounded by states with weak gun laws.

If the laws against the intended targets who are breaking the law's in Chicago, were to be enforced without any idiotic political correctness, diversity bullcrap, or agenda getting in the way, then Chicago wouldn't have the problems it has today..... You could be surrounded by weakness across all boundary lines, and it still wouldn't matter or wouldn't stop the killing in a place where it has become a normal cultural thing that is tolerated by the stupid liberals etc in that city.

We have the fullest jails in the world.

We have the fullest jails on a short term basis...the democrat party works over time to let violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again...

 

[2aguy]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

Machine guns are the preferred weapon for criminals in gun controlled Europe.

 

[2aguy]

Any rifle that can quickly kill 50+ people should be heavily regulated.

WOW! Good luck with that. Millions of guns fit that description.

Excluding the revolver, as you know, any of these weapons can quickly kill 50+ people.

Here are how many rifles are used in murders. How does this support your views?

Lets start with semi-auto rifles with high capacity magazines and go from there.

Bees and wasps kill more people than semi auto rifles...and magazines have no bearing on crime or mass shootings.....so your ideas are just silly....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Rifles....374

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656



FBI table 2010 ...

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
Wasps and bees....and animals....

Afraid of Snakes? Wasps and Dogs Are Deadlier

Of the 1,610 people killed in encounters with animals between 2008 and 2015,

478 were killed by hornets, wasps and bees,

and 272 by dogs, according to a study published in Wilderness & Environmental Medicine. Snakes, spiders and scorpions were responsible for 99 deaths over the eight years.

 

[2aguy]

Any rifle that can quickly kill 50+ people should be heavily regulated.

WOW! Good luck with that. Millions of guns fit that description.

Excluding the revolver, as you know, any of these weapons can quickly kill 50+ people.

Here are how many rifles are used in murders. How does this support your views?

Lets start with semi-auto rifles with high capacity magazines and go from there.

And magazine capacity has no bearing on crime or mass shootings....but you will use a ban on them to ban all types of guns....

In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.
LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.
News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.
There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.
In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.
Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

 

[2aguy]

The solution to being attacked by people with guns is to not Taking away the guns of people are being attacked.

If that's what you're talking about, you have no business even discussing this topic.

Not taking guns has lead to a homicide rate 4-5x higher than countries with strong gun control. You are full of shit.

correlation, not cause-and-effect.

Making it illegal to protect yourself with a gun in certain places Is causing mass shootings because no one can defend themselves.

Places with armed protection have mass shootings. The armed die first or run away.

Wrong.....98% of mass public shootings happen in gun free zones, you doofus. The others are usually some moron with a beef against cops....and they get shot right away because police have guns...

As you know, many mass shootings have had armed guards recently. The guard was either shot or ran away. Either way lots still died. In many cases law enforcement is killed on arrival.

No...they haven't..... what you have are hundreds of unarmed, helpless people, in gun free zones. And we know from actual research that when people are allowed to have their legal guns with them, mass public shootings are stopped...

The percent of mass public shootings stopped by armed citizens, shown below is amazing since almost every public space is a gun free zone where normal people aren't allowed to have guns to protect themselves.....the number would be much higher if not for all the gun free killing zones you support...especially since we know that mass shooters target gun free zones and don't target places that allow people to have guns...

New FBI report claims that 8% of active shooter attacks during 2014-17 were stopped or mitigated by concealed handgun permit holders, but misses at least half the cases. - Crime Prevention Research Center

For four years, the CPRC has been collecting cases of concealed handgun permit holders stopping mass public shootings. As we will show below, permit holders saved lives in between 13 and 16 cases from 2014-17. This includes the seven cases that the FBI lists, seven cases that should have been included (one of the seven is debatable), and two cases that the FBI had on its list but doesn’t include as instances of permit holders saving lives.

Thus, concealed handgun permit holders saved lives in 13.5% to 16.5% of 97 cases. We only started collecting these cases were permit holders stopped attacks in 2014, so a comparison is limited to the last two active shooting reports put out by the FBI.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Children evidently don't have a right to go to school & not get shot because you assfucks need a semiautomatic rifle to get all beerrec up & shoot bottles.

You have a right to be armed. Here is a .22 single shot rifle, now you are armed.

Moron....it is the gun free zone getting kids killed...since we know that mass public shooters choose gun free zones to shoot people...we know from their own statements and their notes...yet you ignore that truth and instead want to take guns away from people who don't use them for crime..that is how stupid you are....

 

[Markle]

Any rifle that can quickly kill 50+ people should be heavily regulated.

WOW! Good luck with that. Millions of guns fit that description.

Excluding the revolver, as you know, any of these weapons can quickly kill 50+ people.

Here are how many rifles are used in murders. How does this support your views?

Lets start with semi-auto rifles with high capacity magazines and go from there.

How many of the five fit that description?

 

[Markle]

Everyone shot and killed has the right to life. Gun owners have proven they infringe way too much on the right to life. Regulations are needed.

Yes, everyone shot and killed has the right to life. UNTIL they threaten my loved ones, me, or my property. Then they have forfeited that right.

 

[beagle9]

Drain the swamp??? The only draining is the US treasury into his pockets.

You being such a duped feeble minded Trumpette loves it.

Specifically HOW?

Should we start with him signing a tax cut that gave him & his family tens of millions of dollars?

How about foreign leaders staying in his hotels to gain favor?

How about going to his resorts all the time bringing his entourage paying for rooms, renting cart carts to follow his fat ass around the courses & even parading foreign leaders as attractions.

How aboit discussing Trump business while on foreign trips as POTUS.

How about his kids doing the same.

How about he never divested & his decisions as POTUS favor hios businesses.

How fucking stupid are you?

Just remember always that Trump can never out do the Demon-crats when it comes to stupidity. The crats got that word covered on all sides. Trying to make Trump shine above the Demon-crats is a failed strategy to be used, because American's memories ain't that short. Trump could mess up everyday, and he still wouldn't catch up to the years gone by of the Demon-crat's mess up's.

 

[beagle9]

Everyone shot and killed has the right to life. Gun owners have proven they infringe way too much on the right to life. Regulations are needed.

Yes, everyone shot and killed has the right to life. UNTIL they threaten my loved ones, me, or my property. Then they have forfeited that right.

That ignoramus putting all gun owners in the same category is the biggest fail the Demon-crats got going. Their strategy to use these tragic events politically has caused the events to continue to happen. They got blood on their hands, but do you think that they really give a care about that ? It's the agenda they care about, and this is above everything else with them.

They would invite a foriegn enemy to nuke us if they thought it was their only option left to get rid of their enemies within. You know their enemies (the republicans or Christian conservatives).

 

[Skull Pilot]

Democrats want to fund their spending. Republicans don't.

HOW did Obama pay for his failed $1 Million dollar 'Stimulus' Bill again, the one that included over 7,000 pieces of Democrat-Only Pork, the failed jobs bill' that ended up costing tax payers - according to the CBO - approx $774,000 PER JOB Barry CLAIMED was saved / created?

WHAT happened with Obamacare - the one Barry swore would not cost a dime and would 'pay for itself'?

First of all, sheepdip, the ARRA was about 800 billion. It was borrowed as stimulus packages are.

SO, what pork is Democratic pork???

38% were tax cuts & tax breaks - did they just go to Democrats????

150 billion - infrastructure - I guess just Democrat infrastructute, right?

Money went to the States because their revenues were slashed in order to help maintain police, firemen & teacher levels.

I guess police, firemen & teachers are all Democrats???

Come on, big mouth. Tells us it was all Democrat yoi stupid fuck

The ACA was completely funded. When was the last think Republicans did that was funded?

They increased military spending - NEVER funded

They expanded Medicare & added part D - NEVER funded

They passed tax cuts - NOT FUNDED.

So please, shove your ignorant head up your fat ass you unecducated POS>

Tax cuts do not need to be funded.

Spending needs to be funded.

so who are you calling uneducated when these two simplest of all financial concepts elude you?

So, we can just reduce revenues. Great plan. What happens when you cut revenues???

You have less money to spend

But you and our moron politicians can't seem to understand that.

You should be complaining about spending not revenue but you don't care about how much of our money the government spends do you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Everyone shot and killed has the right to life. Gun owners have proven they infringe way too much on the right to life. Regulations are needed.

Hey moron ALL gun owners don't shoot people.

My guns in no way infringe on any of your rights
And I am not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

 

[RealDave]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Children evidently don't have a right to go to school & not get shot because you assfucks need a semiautomatic rifle to get all beerrec up & shoot bottles.

You have a right to be armed. Here is a .22 single shot rifle, now you are armed.

Moron....it is the gun free zone getting kids killed...since we know that mass public shooters choose gun free zones to shoot people...we know from their own statements and their notes...yet you ignore that truth and instead want to take guns away from people who don't use them for crime..that is how stupid you are....

So everyone gets a gun with a free one time opportunity to user it in a crime?

Actually, I don't want assault type weapons & you are such a fucking dick that you think that means all guns.

 

[RealDave]

Democrats want to fund their spending. Republicans don't.

HOW did Obama pay for his failed $1 Million dollar 'Stimulus' Bill again, the one that included over 7,000 pieces of Democrat-Only Pork, the failed jobs bill' that ended up costing tax payers - according to the CBO - approx $774,000 PER JOB Barry CLAIMED was saved / created?

WHAT happened with Obamacare - the one Barry swore would not cost a dime and would 'pay for itself'?

First of all, sheepdip, the ARRA was about 800 billion. It was borrowed as stimulus packages are.

SO, what pork is Democratic pork???

38% were tax cuts & tax breaks - did they just go to Democrats????

150 billion - infrastructure - I guess just Democrat infrastructute, right?

Money went to the States because their revenues were slashed in order to help maintain police, firemen & teacher levels.

I guess police, firemen & teachers are all Democrats???

Come on, big mouth. Tells us it was all Democrat yoi stupid fuck

The ACA was completely funded. When was the last think Republicans did that was funded?

They increased military spending - NEVER funded

They expanded Medicare & added part D - NEVER funded

They passed tax cuts - NOT FUNDED.

So please, shove your ignorant head up your fat ass you unecducated POS>

Tax cuts do not need to be funded.

Spending needs to be funded.

so who are you calling uneducated when these two simplest of all financial concepts elude you?

So, we can just reduce revenues. Great plan. What happens when you cut revenues???

You have less money to spend

But you and our moron politicians can't seem to understand that.

You should be complaining about spending not revenue but you don't care about how much of our money the government spends do you?

Wow. now you claim if revenues are down, Congress spends less money. How fucking stupid are you?

Cutting spending when cutting taxes is funding them.

 

[RealDave]

Gun control works great. UK homicide rate 1/4 of ours.

Putting EVERYONE in jail immediately would probably work too, but that is a huge violation of rights.

Yes, gun regulation seems like a much better option. And it has shown to work very well. Even here, machine guns are very rarely used in crime.

The point is RIGHTS you statist authoritarian ass can!

GO LIVE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS!!!


Bunch of commie dicks can GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

Everyone shot and killed has the right to life. Gun owners have proven they infringe way too much on the right to life. Regulations are needed.

Hey moron ALL gun owners don't shoot people.

My guns in no way infringe on any of your rights
And I am not responsible for the crimes other people commit.

I drive quite well drunk. so.....