What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[2aguy]

So your claim here is that assault weapons make people want to kill as many people as possible; that without assault weapons, these people would just forget about their desire and lead productive lives?

How does an object have so much power? I never seen an inanimate object have the ability to turn normal everyday people into mass murderers. That's like saying your corner beverage store is responsible for making you an alcoholic.

Before and after the weapons ban, gun violence and all violence collectively went down until the Ferguson Effect mass murders aside.

Wow, what a stupid post.

1) An Assault type rifle is often chosen tio get the most kills
2) An Assault type weapon can give the shooter more confidence to even carry out the attack
3) The use of an assault type rifle can slow the response from security guards & police as they are outgunned.

The FACT is, mass shootings declined under the ban.

Lol
ARs are not so called “assault weapons” they are just sporting rifles... Incapable of passing military muster.

Crazy people do not obey frivolous gun control laws or any laws for that matter...

Oh not this stupid fucking excuse again.

We had an assault weapon ban. We all know what guns are being discussed.

Lol
ARs are just sporting rifles... Get your facts straight

What sport is that?

Competitive shooting, both single rifle, and 3 gun competition.....and, of course, self defense....

 

[RealDave]

It didn't rise until after the Ferguson effect went into play. Every expert on the gun ban stated it didn't do a lick of good, or are you only trying to solve mass murders and to hell with the 99% of other murders?

If you're talking about the number of mass shootings before during and after the assault weapons ban...you're lying.

Mass shootings declined during the ban and increased after it ended.

So your claim here is that assault weapons make people want to kill as many people as possible; that without assault weapons, these people would just forget about their desire and lead productive lives?

How does an object have so much power? I never seen an inanimate object have the ability to turn normal everyday people into mass murderers. That's like saying your corner beverage store is responsible for making you an alcoholic.

Before and after the weapons ban, gun violence and all violence collectively went down until the Ferguson Effect mass murders aside.

Wow, what a stupid post.

1) An Assault type rifle is often chosen tio get the most kills
2) An Assault type weapon can give the shooter more confidence to even carry out the attack
3) The use of an assault type rifle can slow the response from security guards & police as they are outgunned.

The FACT is, mass shootings declined under the ban.

The FACT is, mass shootings declined under the ban.


Your fact that is not a fact...

The ban went into effect in 1994, and ended in 2004....notice the number of mass public shootings ...

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1




US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

In the 5 years after the ban there were 16
Your math sucks. In the 5 years heading into the ban there were 12, in the ten years of the ban there were 17.

 

[RealDave]

Wow, what a stupid post.

1) An Assault type rifle is often chosen tio get the most kills
2) An Assault type weapon can give the shooter more confidence to even carry out the attack
3) The use of an assault type rifle can slow the response from security guards & police as they are outgunned.

The FACT is, mass shootings declined under the ban.

Lol
ARs are not so called “assault weapons” they are just sporting rifles... Incapable of passing military muster.

Crazy people do not obey frivolous gun control laws or any laws for that matter...

Oh not this stupid fucking excuse again.

We had an assault weapon ban. We all know what guns are being discussed.

Lol
ARs are just sporting rifles... Get your facts straight

What sport is that?

Competitive shooting, both single rifle, and 3 gun competition.....and, of course, self defense....

You need a semi automatic for this?

Ray said a handgun was just as good as a semiautomatic rifle for self defence.

 

[RealDave]

In a Builiding of a mass public shooting, the police with hand guns are not outgunned by a rifle....the rifle is a long range weapon that loses it's advantage in the confines of a building....in fact, it can become a disadvantage in close quarters....

So you're saying that an assault rifle is a lousy self defense weapon. I agree.

It's also a lousy hunting weapon.

So we "need" them why?

First of all it depends on the set up, Ars can be set up to be a great personal defense firearms depending on the situation.
There is no better varmint rifle than an ar/m-4 platform. Obviously you use emotion to make up your opinion that makes you a fucking retard....

You can't use a .222 for varmit? Why do you need a semi-automatic?

 

[Lesh]

In the 5 years after the ban there were 16
Your math sucks. In the 5 years heading into the ban there were 12, in the ten years of the ban there were 17.

The ban lasted 10 years.

The appropriate way to compare would be the 10 years prior and the 10 years after.

 

[2aguy]

It didn't rise until after the Ferguson effect went into play. Every expert on the gun ban stated it didn't do a lick of good, or are you only trying to solve mass murders and to hell with the 99% of other murders?

If you're talking about the number of mass shootings before during and after the assault weapons ban...you're lying.

Mass shootings declined during the ban and increased after it ended.

So your claim here is that assault weapons make people want to kill as many people as possible; that without assault weapons, these people would just forget about their desire and lead productive lives?

How does an object have so much power? I never seen an inanimate object have the ability to turn normal everyday people into mass murderers. That's like saying your corner beverage store is responsible for making you an alcoholic.

Before and after the weapons ban, gun violence and all violence collectively went down until the Ferguson Effect mass murders aside.

Wow, what a stupid post.

1) An Assault type rifle is often chosen tio get the most kills
2) An Assault type weapon can give the shooter more confidence to even carry out the attack
3) The use of an assault type rifle can slow the response from security guards & police as they are outgunned.

The FACT is, mass shootings declined under the ban.

The FACT is, mass shootings declined under the ban.


Your fact that is not a fact...

The ban went into effect in 1994, and ended in 2004....notice the number of mass public shootings ...

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1




US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

In the 5 years after the ban there were 16
Your math sucks. In the 5 years heading into the ban there were 12, in the ten years of the ban there were 17.

So do your arguments........

1982-1994.....18

1994-20014......17

 

[Rustic]

Lol
ARs are not so called “assault weapons” they are just sporting rifles... Incapable of passing military muster.

Crazy people do not obey frivolous gun control laws or any laws for that matter...

Oh not this stupid fucking excuse again.

We had an assault weapon ban. We all know what guns are being discussed.

Lol
ARs are just sporting rifles... Get your facts straight

What sport is that?

Competitive shooting, both single rifle, and 3 gun competition.....and, of course, self defense....

You need a semi automatic for this?

Ray said a handgun was just as good as a semiautomatic rifle for self defence.

Generally The consensus is, use a hand gun until you can get to a rifle… But in close quarters handguns are obviously more maneuverable

 

[2aguy]

In the 5 years after the ban there were 16
Your math sucks. In the 5 years heading into the ban there were 12, in the ten years of the ban there were 17.

The ban lasted 10 years.

The appropriate way to compare would be the 10 years prior and the 10 years after.

Why the cherry picking dolt?

FAIL

1) that dolt is on your side

2) 10 years isn't the argument he /she/it made.....they said it reduced shootings, it didn't...

 

[Rustic]

In the 5 years after the ban there were 16
Your math sucks. In the 5 years heading into the ban there were 12, in the ten years of the ban there were 17.

The ban lasted 10 years.

The appropriate way to compare would be the 10 years prior and the 10 years after.

Why the cherry picking dolt?

FAIL

The ban obviously failed, like all frivolous gun control laws

 

[2aguy]

Oh not this stupid fucking excuse again.

We had an assault weapon ban. We all know what guns are being discussed.

Lol
ARs are just sporting rifles... Get your facts straight

What sport is that?

Competitive shooting, both single rifle, and 3 gun competition.....and, of course, self defense....

You need a semi automatic for this?

Ray said a handgun was just as good as a semiautomatic rifle for self defence.

Generally The consensus is, use a hand gun until you can get to a rifle… But in close quarters handguns are obviously more maneuverable

A cop friend back in the 90s told me his friends would ask him why he would carry a pistol when he was off duty...they would say "Are you expecting trouble?" He told me he would respond...."No, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle..."

 

[Rustic]

In a Builiding of a mass public shooting, the police with hand guns are not outgunned by a rifle....the rifle is a long range weapon that loses it's advantage in the confines of a building....in fact, it can become a disadvantage in close quarters....

So you're saying that an assault rifle is a lousy self defense weapon. I agree.

It's also a lousy hunting weapon.

So we "need" them why?

First of all it depends on the set up, Ars can be set up to be a great personal defense firearms depending on the situation.
There is no better varmint rifle than an ar/m-4 platform. Obviously you use emotion to make up your opinion that makes you a fucking retard....

You can't use a .222 for varmit? Why do you need a semi-automatic?

.222?
Prairie dogs are a hoot to shoot… There are far too many of them, ARs and the like work best for eradicating the diseased parasites.

 

[Lesh]

All of this so Rustic can sell guns to yahoos that want to shoot squirrels

 

[Rustic]

Lol
ARs are just sporting rifles... Get your facts straight

What sport is that?

Competitive shooting, both single rifle, and 3 gun competition.....and, of course, self defense....

You need a semi automatic for this?

Ray said a handgun was just as good as a semiautomatic rifle for self defence.

Generally The consensus is, use a hand gun until you can get to a rifle… But in close quarters handguns are obviously more maneuverable

A cop friend back in the 90s told me his friends would ask him why he would carry a pistol when he was off duty...they would say "Are you expecting trouble?" He told me he would respond...."No, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle..."

It does depend on the situation, generally a rifle is preferable in most cases although there are exceptions, it is easier to get a drop on someone with a handgun in close quarters. Shot placement/Training is everything... And it Has to be practiced

 

[Lesh]

The ban obviously failed, like all frivolous gun control laws

According to the numbers...it did NOT fail.

YOU however fail every time you post

 

[Rustic]

All of this so Rustic can sell guns to yahoos that want to shoot squirrels

 

[Rustic]

The ban obviously failed, like all frivolous gun control laws

According to the numbers...it did NOT fail.

YOU however fail every time you post

Na, There is no longer a ban… Because of epic fail.
Like I’ve always said all progressives are fucked in the head

 

[2aguy]

The ban obviously failed, like all frivolous gun control laws

According to the numbers...it did NOT fail.

YOU however fail every time you post

The research shows it had no effect on anything...actual research...you don't know what you are talking about....

The Assault Pistol........the Tech 9 was all the rage in the 90s...they are not AR-15s or rifles...

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

The decline in the use of AWs has been due primarily to a reduction in the use of assault pistols (APs), which are used in crime more commonly than assault rifles (ARs). There has not been a clear decline in the use of ARs, though assessments are complicated by the rarity of crimes with these weapons and by substitution of post-ban rifles that are very similar to the banned AR models.
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Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban.

 

[Lesh]

1) that dolt is on your side

2) 10 years isn't the argument he /she/it made.....they said it reduced shootings, it didn't...

My apologies to him. I misread what he said...but my comment stands. apples to apples

Your mother jones link showed over 30 mass shootings in the ten years after the AW ban expired.

 

[Lesh]

And look at the numbers of the carnage. Not only were there twice as many mass shooting events in the 10 years after the ban expired...but the number of dead skyrocketed as well

 

[Rustic]

And look at the numbers of the carnage. Not only were there twice as many mass shooting events in the 10 years after the ban expired...but the number of dead skyrocketed as well

More frivolous gun laws are of no use