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The premise that makes this work is their assumption that anyone who opens a business is implicitly sacrificing some of their rights. They forfeit freedom of association in exchange for "permission" from the state to trade with others.
hey he was just forcasting based on past history....you've heard of affirmative action...?That was stupid even for you.No. Thanks for stopping by and showing your stupidity.
Why not?
If a seller is forced to sell to homosexuals, why would a buyer not be forced to buy from them?
Exactly, Marty. And that's what my moved thread on the donkey was intended to get at. Jesus, Rosa Parks and Mandela all stood up nonviolently and without the power of the state to show the INJUSTICE of the state's actions should offend us all.Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.(patiently)
Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.
And also forbid people to encourage immorality.
Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?
I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage
Do you see the problem yet?
The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.
Yet, the response by Indiana and Arkansas was to legally justify the right to discriminate against gays. Hardly what Christ was about.
how are they doing that...? the law says nothing about gays...
the law is simply to provide a way to court for people who do not want to be forced against their religious beliefs...
Forced to do what?
How does baking a cake violate the tenets of any religion?
And will these oh so holy people apply this refusal to all people who sin or just some people who sin?
IDGAF if people refuse to serve someone I just want them to be honest and consistent.
No one was asking for a "gay wedding cake" and if they did it would have been something the bakery didn't carry therefore there would be no sale.but gay wedding cakes are a different kind than regular wedding cakes....Not any kind. If your business makes wedding cakes they you have to make the wedding cake.Thats what happens when you are in business. You provide what the customer asks for. If you dont want the customer do a crappy job and they wont be back.well according to you the store owner has to provide whatever perverted cake the customer demands....so i guess he has none...Exactly
What about the rights of the store owner?
so the baker must provide a customer with any kind of cake they demand......? i don't think so...
That doesnt make sense.Discriiminating in business trumps a First Amendment right to free exercise? I dont think so.You lose your right to practice your religion when the government has a good reason to take away that right.
Discriminating in a business is a good reason.
Yes it does because running a business is a business practice, not a religious practice.
If you were right then racial discrimination returns to being legal in retail sales, business services, hiring, real estate renting, etc.
Civil rights as we know them today would end and every individual would be his own government based on whatever set of religious beliefs he chose to concoct.
Because your business has nothing to do with religion in the public sector.Congress shall make no law.
what part of that is difficult to understand?
the government has no right to infringe on our conscience.
why are you so insecure with your beliefs that you feel the need to force others to agree with you?
if we aren't free to practice our religion in our business how are we free? You whine if we don't follow our religion and then you whine if we do. I wish you hypocrites would figure out what you want.
Congress shall make no law.
what part of that is difficult to understand?
the government has no right to infringe on our conscience.
why are you so insecure with your beliefs that you feel the need to force others to agree with you?
if we aren't free to practice our religion in our business how are we free? You whine if we don't follow our religion and then you whine if we do. I wish you hypocrites would figure out what you want.
Congress shall make no law.
what part of that is difficult to understand?
the government has no right to infringe on our conscience.
why are you so insecure with your beliefs that you feel the need to force others to agree with you?
if we aren't free to practice our religion in our business how are we free? You whine if we don't follow our religion and then you whine if we do. I wish you hypocrites would figure out what you want.
Not entirely. Usually there has to be some consistent tenets etc.Exactly, Marty. And that's what my moved thread on the donkey was intended to get at. Jesus, Rosa Parks and Mandela all stood up nonviolently and without the power of the state to show the INJUSTICE of the state's actions should offend us all.Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.
Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?
I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage
Do you see the problem yet?
The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.
Yet, the response by Indiana and Arkansas was to legally justify the right to discriminate against gays. Hardly what Christ was about.
how are they doing that...? the law says nothing about gays...
the law is simply to provide a way to court for people who do not want to be forced against their religious beliefs...
Forced to do what?
How does baking a cake violate the tenets of any religion?
And will these oh so holy people apply this refusal to all people who sin or just some people who sin?
IDGAF if people refuse to serve someone I just want them to be honest and consistent.
The problem contained in your question is that religions aren't 'official' or based on specific identiable sets of beliefs.
Your religion, essentially, is whatever you want to call your religion.
PA laws wouldn't be needed if gays wouldn't be out crying and forcing their sexual choice on everyone. A small group of crybabies forcing their will on others is wrong, period.If PA laws were gone. What have YOU actively done to eliminate PA laws?Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. Let the fags cry.Has our country reached a point where business can now serve moral judgement on its customers?
Congress shall make no law.
what part of that is difficult to understand?
the government has no right to infringe on our conscience.
why are you so insecure with your beliefs that you feel the need to force others to agree with you?
if we aren't free to practice our religion in our business how are we free? You whine if we don't follow our religion and then you whine if we do. I wish you hypocrites would figure out what you want.
When a person starts a business, does he give up his Constitutional right to "freely exercise" his religion?In your private life, you are right
Once you open your business to the public, you are subject to the rules. The rules say you cannot deny service
Yeah they do. The rules are in business you cant discriminate. If you choose to do so then business is not for you.That doesnt make sense.Discriiminating in business trumps a First Amendment right to free exercise? I dont think so.You lose your right to practice your religion when the government has a good reason to take away that right.
Discriminating in a business is a good reason.
Yes it does because running a business is a business practice, not a religious practice.
If you were right then racial discrimination returns to being legal in retail sales, business services, hiring, real estate renting, etc.
Civil rights as we know them today would end and every individual would be his own government based on whatever set of religious beliefs he chose to concoct.
People do not forfeit their rights when they apply for a business license.
There is nothing stopping the person from practicing their religion.When a person starts a business, does he give up his Constitutional right to "freely exercise" his religion?In your private life, you are right
Once you open your business to the public, you are subject to the rules. The rules say you cannot deny service
There was an actual Supreme Court case over it. Look it up.Congress shall make no law.
what part of that is difficult to understand?
the government has no right to infringe on our conscience.
why are you so insecure with your beliefs that you feel the need to force others to agree with you?
if we aren't free to practice our religion in our business how are we free? You whine if we don't follow our religion and then you whine if we do. I wish you hypocrites would figure out what you want.
Why can't polygamists legally marry? Polygamy is a core religious belief and practice in certain religions.
Actually those laws came about because of the Uppity *******. Shall I scold them for you or will you do that yourself?PA laws wouldn't be needed if gays wouldn't be out crying and forcing their sexual choice on everyone. A small group of crybabies forcing their will on others is wrong, period.If PA laws were gone. What have YOU actively done to eliminate PA laws?Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. Let the fags cry.Has our country reached a point where business can now serve moral judgement on its customers?
Not entirely. Usually there has to be some consistent tenets etc.Exactly, Marty. And that's what my moved thread on the donkey was intended to get at. Jesus, Rosa Parks and Mandela all stood up nonviolently and without the power of the state to show the INJUSTICE of the state's actions should offend us all.The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.
Yet, the response by Indiana and Arkansas was to legally justify the right to discriminate against gays. Hardly what Christ was about.
how are they doing that...? the law says nothing about gays...
the law is simply to provide a way to court for people who do not want to be forced against their religious beliefs...
Forced to do what?
How does baking a cake violate the tenets of any religion?
And will these oh so holy people apply this refusal to all people who sin or just some people who sin?
IDGAF if people refuse to serve someone I just want them to be honest and consistent.
The problem contained in your question is that religions aren't 'official' or based on specific identiable sets of beliefs.
Your religion, essentially, is whatever you want to call your religion.
So he can refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding?There is nothing stopping the person from practicing their religion.When a person starts a business, does he give up his Constitutional right to "freely exercise" his religion?In your private life, you are right
Once you open your business to the public, you are subject to the rules. The rules say you cannot deny service
Not entirely. Usually there has to be some consistent tenets etc.Exactly, Marty. And that's what my moved thread on the donkey was intended to get at. Jesus, Rosa Parks and Mandela all stood up nonviolently and without the power of the state to show the INJUSTICE of the state's actions should offend us all.
Yet, the response by Indiana and Arkansas was to legally justify the right to discriminate against gays. Hardly what Christ was about.
how are they doing that...? the law says nothing about gays...
the law is simply to provide a way to court for people who do not want to be forced against their religious beliefs...
Forced to do what?
How does baking a cake violate the tenets of any religion?
And will these oh so holy people apply this refusal to all people who sin or just some people who sin?
IDGAF if people refuse to serve someone I just want them to be honest and consistent.
The problem contained in your question is that religions aren't 'official' or based on specific identiable sets of beliefs.
Your religion, essentially, is whatever you want to call your religion.
and the oh so holy people can't pick and choose the tenets they follow right?
Surely if baking a cake for a gay person is a sin then baking one for an adulterer is a sin, a thief? a murderer?
Seems to me with all the sinners that baker sells to his soul is already damned to hell so why not make a little money on a gay wedding cake
