What Is Wrong With America ?

[Uncensored2008]

The US spends more on the military than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's your problem.

Yup we should let all you pansies take care of yourselves.

We should stop all foreign aid and give all that money back to the American people.

We do better when people keep more of their own money.

It's not true though, China and Britain combined spend more than the US right now. By 2020, China alone will outspend the USA.

 

[RKMBrown]

Can't defeat the message, so attack the messenger. Ho hum, Yawn **** You'd think they'd come up with something better than that OLD tactic.

You have no credibility. Deal with it.

HA HA.. If you keep saying it, eventually you might even start believing it. In the meantime, I've already dealt with YOUR lack of credibility. By handing you your ass in this thread, and goes for RKM as well.

Which is another thing wrong with this country, libtards like you who pat themselves on the back for imagined accomplishments they make up on the fly to make themselves feel superior.

 

[protectionist]

WE don't need to do anything. If you want to rob your neighbors to satiate your greed, then get a crowbar and pry their door open. Quit pretending that others should aid you in your larceny because you are too much of a coward to rob others on your own. And yes, they very well might shoot you dead.

Restoring America normal tax rates (that existed for most of the past 95 years) is not robbing anybody of anything. When you talk ridiculous, you lose credibility.

And one could just as easily say underpaying employees = robbing them of their labor pay. In fact, that's a lot more plausible.

The point is that raising the upper income tax rates WILL NOT FIX THE FISCAL MESS. We could take 100% of the income of the top 10% and it would not eliminate the deficit for one year.

Tax revenue is not the problem------spending is the problem.

Until the govt balances spending to revenue the fiscal mess will only get worse.

There are a number of ways that increasing tax revenues can reduce spending.

One example: Hire MANY more ICE agents, CBP officers, build the Mexican border double fence, and create more immigration courts/jails. Enact a mass deportation similar to Operation Wetback in 1954. This would reduce the welfare drain immensely, as well as the remittance drain from the economy ($45 Billion/year just to Mexico alone) It would also cut crime costs$$ as well as compensation to hospitals for unpaid ER bills, racked up under the EMTALA law.

 

[RKMBrown]

The US spends more on the military than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's your problem.

Yup we should let all you pansies take care of yourselves.

We should stop all foreign aid and give all that money back to the American people.

We do better when people keep more of their own money.

It's not true though, China and Britain combined spend more than the US right now. By 2020, China alone will outspend the USA.

I don't think a lot of people really understand, yet, the consequences of the economic and military strategy mistakes we have made the last 13 years. Sun Tzu is rolling in his grave.

 

[protectionist]

Here are illustrations of more things Wrong With America >>>

1. http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ylum-seekers-with-loose-terror-ties-ties.html

2. http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...ma-administration-the-muslim-brotherhood.html

3. http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...ust-gave-amnesty-to-illegal-aliens-again.html

4. http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...ns-using-the-irs-to-scam-the-us-taxpayer.html

5. http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-...nvasion-of-the-united-states-1950-2012-a.html

 

[Coyote]

Thread mildly cleaned and reopened - guys, remember Politics is Zone 2, and while flaming is allowed you need to include some content as well (content related to the topic or trend of discussion, not a poster's IQ or psychological abnormalities)

 

[dcraelin]

Interesting article
Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing - Newsweek
" The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."
James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort." "

He was referring to socialism, fascism, crony capitalism pp 30-34.
.

I saw nothing about socialism, fascism, or crony capitalism in the referred pages. I did see this.
"proposed that profit sharing could be used to
provide access to property rights to workers in the now industrialized economy." It looks like I would agree with the overall theme of the book.

We need to tax the wealthy at much larger rates to save this country.

WE don't need to do anything. If you want to rob your neighbors to satiate your greed, then get a crowbar and pry their door open. Quit pretending that others should aid you in your larceny because you are too much of a coward to rob others on your own. And yes, they very well might shoot you dead.

LOL, I did get a good laugh out of that., ..... When will you anti-tax imbeciles realize that most people that advocate higher taxes are not necessarily thinking of themselves. It will help the COUNTRY as a WHOLE. INCLUDING the wealthy. A rising tax rate on the rich will lift ALL boats.

 

[RKMBrown]

Here are illustrations of more things Wrong With America >>>

1. http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ylum-seekers-with-loose-terror-ties-ties.html

2. http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...ma-administration-the-muslim-brotherhood.html

3. http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...ust-gave-amnesty-to-illegal-aliens-again.html

4. http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...ns-using-the-irs-to-scam-the-us-taxpayer.html

5. http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-...nvasion-of-the-united-states-1950-2012-a.html

Why do you hate Mexicans and Muslims so much? From all the hate you keep spewing they must be real trouble makers. Do they smell funny or something?

 

[1776]

Left-wing scum live here...

 

[dcraelin]

WE don't need to do anything. If you want to rob your neighbors to satiate your greed, then get a crowbar and pry their door open. Quit pretending that others should aid you in your larceny because you are too much of a coward to rob others on your own. And yes, they very well might shoot you dead.

Restoring America normal tax rates (that existed for most of the past 95 years) is not robbing anybody of anything. When you talk ridiculous, you lose credibility.
And one could just as easily say underpaying employees = robbing them of their labor pay. In fact, that's a lot more plausible.

The point is that raising the upper income tax rates WILL NOT FIX THE FISCAL MESS. We could take 100% of the income of the top 10% and it would not eliminate the deficit for one year.
Tax revenue is not the problem------spending is the problem.
Until the govt balances spending to revenue the fiscal mess will only get worse.

I doubt the figures you use here, the rich hide a lot of their wealth. But even if you are totally correct it does not mean we shouldn't raise those taxes to take a bite out of the fiscal mess.

I have seen historic figures that show no matter what party is in office spending stays relatively constant at say 23% of GDP (cant remember the actual number but I believe it is around there) Revenue as a % of GDP has however fallen in recent years. That indicates that at least part of the problem is too low of tax rate on the rich.

 

[Contumacious]

Left-wing scum live here...

Actually fascist/socialist/elitist scum lives here

 

[protectionist]

Here are illustrations of more things Wrong With America >>>

1. http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ylum-seekers-with-loose-terror-ties-ties.html

2. http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...ma-administration-the-muslim-brotherhood.html

3. http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...ust-gave-amnesty-to-illegal-aliens-again.html

4. http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...ns-using-the-irs-to-scam-the-us-taxpayer.html

5. http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-...nvasion-of-the-united-states-1950-2012-a.html

Why do you hate Mexicans and Muslims so much? From all the hate you keep spewing they must be real trouble makers. Do they smell funny or something?

I am 50% Hispanic (as I've posted many times). My grandparents immigrated here from British Honduras in the 1890s. British Honduras (now called Belize) is immediately adjacent to Mexico, where my grandmother immigrated from. Both my grandparents spoke fluent Spanish, as do I, and from my grandmother's original nationality, I'm actually 25% Mexican. I don't hate myself, didn't hate my grandmother, and I don't hate anybody for what their nationality is.

What I hate is a small group of plutocrats in Mexico who maintain a monopoly economy in Mexico (Ex. Pemex,Telex, etc) that doesn't allow Mexican small businessmen to compete, which would open up millions of jobs and cure Mexico's poverty. Instead these vile plutocrats keep their monopolies intact and use the US as a garbage can to dump their unwanted poor, and conveniently allow us to pay their poverty bill for them (which they needlessly create).

Worse yet, Mexico is carrying on a 21st century type of imperialist war, in which they invade the US, not with military, but with poor people whom they use to relieve themselves of their poverty bill AND reap Billions$$ in remittances, that their economic "troops" extract out of the US economy by swiping jobs from American workers, and then wire to Mexico, which are then reinserted into the Mexican economy.

In short, they take it out of our house, and put it in theirs, but in large amounts. $25 Billion/year. Imperialists of past eras would be dumbfounded at the amounts. The Vikings would be envious.

I'm wondering why you're asking me this, when it was all explained in better detail on my OP >> "Brief Expose' Of The Mexican Invasion Of The United States (1950-2012)" http://www.usmessageboard.com/usmb-...nvasion-of-the-united-states-1950-2012-a.html, which I've already provided links for you numerous times in this thread.

As for Muslims, if you don't know why I, and millions of other Americans, are working diligently to stop terrorism and Islamization in America, and alll that has occured with these over the past 23 years, then you're not even qualified to be talking about this subject. Rather than just berate you though, it's more productive to and positive to suggest reading for you, such that you could come back here in a month or so, and speak knowledgably. Maybe even get a passing grade on my Islamization Quiz.

1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel

2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry

5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams

6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy

I hope you'll take this advice and get up to speed on Islamization. I'd love to see the transformation take place (from ignorance to knowledge). Do it. I'll root for you on it. Really.

7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser

8. Muslim Mafia by P.David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry

 

[protectionist]

Interesting article
Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing - Newsweek
" The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."
James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort." "

He was referring to socialism, fascism, crony capitalism pp 30-34.
.

I saw nothing about socialism, fascism, or crony capitalism in the referred pages. I did see this.
"proposed that profit sharing could be used to
provide access to property rights to workers in the now industrialized economy." It looks like I would agree with the overall theme of the book.

We need to tax the wealthy at much larger rates to save this country.

WE don't need to do anything. If you want to rob your neighbors to satiate your greed, then get a crowbar and pry their door open. Quit pretending that others should aid you in your larceny because you are too much of a coward to rob others on your own. And yes, they very well might shoot you dead.

LOL, I did get a good laugh out of that., ..... When will you anti-tax imbeciles realize that most people that advocate higher taxes are not necessarily thinking of themselves. It will help the COUNTRY as a WHOLE. INCLUDING the wealthy. A rising tax rate on the rich will lift ALL boats.

Just as an abnormally reduced tax on the rich (for 34 years now) will keep all boats stranded and useless.

 

[The T]

The US spends more on the military than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's your problem.

Question: What IS the price of your own Liberty?

 

[Old Rocks]

The US spends more on the military than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's your problem.

Military?industrial complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Question: What IS the price of your own Liberty?

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.

 

[Old Rocks]

Dwight Eisenhower
Military Leader, Thirty-Fourth President of the United States : 1890-1969

Dwight Eisenhower | Americans Who Tell The Truth

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hope of its children…This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. -- From a speech delivered before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Washington, D.C. April 16, 1953"

 

[The T]

Dwight Eisenhower
Military Leader, Thirty-Fourth President of the United States : 1890-1969

Dwight Eisenhower | Americans Who Tell The Truth

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hope of its children…This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. -- From a speech delivered before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Washington, D.C. April 16, 1953"

So ? WHAT was he addressing?

I'd say he was defending LIBERTY...you?

 

[Pete7469]

What's "wrong" with America?

An abundance of bed wetting mindless dipshits who are consumed with the idea that something is wrong with America, because their lives are full of envy and contempt for people who have more than them.

These bed wetters vote for criminally insane authoritarian sociopaths who are bought and paid for by the rich.

Of course billionaire Nazi sympathizers like Soros are exempt from their contempt, but any republican with a net worth of 7 figures is a capitalist slave master who eats impoverished children for breakfast.

The only thing "wrong" with America is that bed wetting liberals have yet to "escape" to places where their policies are already in full effect.

You know, places like North Korea and Cuba where everyone inside is trying to escape from.

 

[Dr Grump]

So ? WHAT was he addressing?

I'd say he was defending LIBERTY...you?

You've got enough nukes to blow up the world several times over. How much more do you want?

Depends on your idea of liberty. I'm sure there are those in Iraq and Afghanistan who are asking themselves those very questions...

 

[Pete7469]

So ? WHAT was he addressing?

I'd say he was defending LIBERTY...you?

You've got enough nukes to blow up the world several times over. How much more do you want?

Depends on your idea of liberty. I'm sure there are those in Iraq and Afghanistan who are asking themselves those very questions...

I'm sure you're idea of "liberty" is allowing jihadist assholes who cut people's fingers off for smoking cigarettes to defeat US efforts to defeat them.

I suppose the Talib assholes in Afghanistan that banned TV's and forced women to wear Burgas promote liberty in your "mind".