What is wrong with Carly Fiorina's face?

[Harry Dresden]

The issue isn't her face, the fact is she's wrong on most, if not all, of the issues.

which ones jones?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Instead of rating it funny, which it is, who are you going to vote for.... Me, I like

i should have known you were quoting your hero, Donald Trump when you posted this thread It's all over the news now.

"Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" Trump reportedly bellowed while watching his Republican presidential rival on the news.
Trump mocks Fiorina’s physical appearance: 'Look at that face!'

This is no accident.--This is just stage 2 of the CLINTON/TRUMP strategy. 1st Hispanics, now women. Two major voting blocks that Republicans need to win the White House. This CONFIRMS IT.

Trump is NOT in this race to win it, he's in it to DRIVE it into Hillary Clinton's lap.

His actions seem to be winning converts left and right according to the latest polls.... It seems he can do NO WRONG in the eyes of the voter.... now didn't she start it with trump first... He doesn't punch fellow candidates unless they take first shot at him! Voters LIKE someone that finally has BALLS and will not stand for being called out, without a solid reply! BTW, she is not attractive!

Fiorina Calls Trump's Comments About Women 'Inappropriate'
dailycaller.com/2015/08/07/fiorina-calls-trumps-comments-about...
Aug 07, 2015 · ATLANTA — Former Hewlett Packard CEO and GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina is not allowing fellow Republican candidate and businessman …

She's right. And the fact an unelectable brute is at the top of the GOP field of candidates says something about the party. Don't you think?

Yes, a MAJORITY of Republicans are fed up with BONER and BITCH MITCH being the Manchurian muslims lapdogs, and rubber stamps!

They didn't cave on much dummy. Obamacare was the law before boehner was speaker.

Republicans love illegals. They lower wages and that's good for business.

He has to raise the debt ceiling.

Don't even know what the rest of those things are.

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

 

[sealybobo]

i should have known you were quoting your hero, Donald Trump when you posted this thread It's all over the news now.

"Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" Trump reportedly bellowed while watching his Republican presidential rival on the news.
Trump mocks Fiorina’s physical appearance: 'Look at that face!'

This is no accident.--This is just stage 2 of the CLINTON/TRUMP strategy. 1st Hispanics, now women. Two major voting blocks that Republicans need to win the White House. This CONFIRMS IT.

Trump is NOT in this race to win it, he's in it to DRIVE it into Hillary Clinton's lap.

His actions seem to be winning converts left and right according to the latest polls.... It seems he can do NO WRONG in the eyes of the voter.... now didn't she start it with trump first... He doesn't punch fellow candidates unless they take first shot at him! Voters LIKE someone that finally has BALLS and will not stand for being called out, without a solid reply! BTW, she is not attractive!

Fiorina Calls Trump's Comments About Women 'Inappropriate'
dailycaller.com/2015/08/07/fiorina-calls-trumps-comments-about...
Aug 07, 2015 · ATLANTA — Former Hewlett Packard CEO and GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina is not allowing fellow Republican candidate and businessman …

She's right. And the fact an unelectable brute is at the top of the GOP field of candidates says something about the party. Don't you think?

Yes, a MAJORITY of Republicans are fed up with BONER and BITCH MITCH being the Manchurian muslims lapdogs, and rubber stamps!

They didn't cave on much dummy. Obamacare was the law before boehner was speaker.

Republicans love illegals. They lower wages and that's good for business.

He has to raise the debt ceiling.

Don't even know what the rest of those things are.

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

 

[Harry Dresden]

His actions seem to be winning converts left and right according to the latest polls.... It seems he can do NO WRONG in the eyes of the voter.... now didn't she start it with trump first... He doesn't punch fellow candidates unless they take first shot at him! Voters LIKE someone that finally has BALLS and will not stand for being called out, without a solid reply! BTW, she is not attractive!

Fiorina Calls Trump's Comments About Women 'Inappropriate'
dailycaller.com/2015/08/07/fiorina-calls-trumps-comments-about...
Aug 07, 2015 · ATLANTA — Former Hewlett Packard CEO and GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina is not allowing fellow Republican candidate and businessman …

She's right. And the fact an unelectable brute is at the top of the GOP field of candidates says something about the party. Don't you think?

Yes, a MAJORITY of Republicans are fed up with BONER and BITCH MITCH being the Manchurian muslims lapdogs, and rubber stamps!

They didn't cave on much dummy. Obamacare was the law before boehner was speaker.

Republicans love illegals. They lower wages and that's good for business.

He has to raise the debt ceiling.

Don't even know what the rest of those things are.

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

 

[sealybobo]

She's right. And the fact an unelectable brute is at the top of the GOP field of candidates says something about the party. Don't you think?

Yes, a MAJORITY of Republicans are fed up with BONER and BITCH MITCH being the Manchurian muslims lapdogs, and rubber stamps!

They didn't cave on much dummy. Obamacare was the law before boehner was speaker.

Republicans love illegals. They lower wages and that's good for business.

He has to raise the debt ceiling.

Don't even know what the rest of those things are.

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

 

[Esmeralda]

You serious? There's nothing wrong with her face..

She has a horse face. Probably just her normal face. Sarah Jessica Parker has a horse face. She's had some surgery to improve upon it, but she's just lucky it didn't backfire. Having plastic surgery can do more harm than good. I agree, there isn't really anything wrong with this woman's face.

 

[Vigilante]

Apparently, no one heard the word PERSONA.... But face it, Trump does these things to keep his name in the public awareness, and any LOSER Republican can count themselves lucky if picked on by Trump, as they also will now be in the public awareness.... Bobby Jindal, just razed Trump, Trump came back saying he's insignificant, many of Jindal's polls are under 1% most of the time...The next Poll Bobby will be at 2-3% because of Trump! See if it doesn't happen! Ben disagreed with Trump on immigration, BUT did it in such a way that even Trump won't smack him down.... I believe there is an UNDERSTANDING there, the candidates have to have something that differentiates them from one another!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You serious? There's nothing wrong with her face..

Translation: "I am a conservative".

Translation: You're a shallow and petty person.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yes, a MAJORITY of Republicans are fed up with BONER and BITCH MITCH being the Manchurian muslims lapdogs, and rubber stamps!

They didn't cave on much dummy. Obamacare was the law before boehner was speaker.

Republicans love illegals. They lower wages and that's good for business.

He has to raise the debt ceiling.

Don't even know what the rest of those things are.

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

bobo has anyone told you you are a dipshit today?....no?... let me be the first one....you are dipshit bobo.....show me were i have ever defended illegals being here or the guys who hire them.....you know shit about Mexicans or illegals...you are the kind of guy who sees a brown person and says look an illegal....the county i live in has more Hispanics than your whole fucking state...i bet you dont even know a Mexican.....now that that is out of the way....i will say it again because your ignorant about Mexicans ass missed it the first time i said it....try what you are advocating in this State and probably some of the other boarder States and your piece of shit party will call you a fucking racist basterd....you got that bobo?...YOUR FUCKING PARTY...and you are right im done debating this with you because i put the truth in front of your face and you insist its not true because you read it somewhere.....you are a nice guy to bobo but learn something about the people you criticize before you show us how stupid you are....

 

[playtime]

Was it multiple face-lifts or surgery gone wrong that made her look like a skinny transvesti man with a very long face? I might vote for her though.

How many people did horseface layoff?

You Republicans don't get it. We don't need ceo's running the country. They ruined the country.

But by all means run whoever you want. None of thems gonna win.

30,000 people were laid off.

 

[playtime]

Oh, I was wondering when I saw the OP if you were a female hating white male Democrat and whelp, I guess you are! Can't just look at a human and see a person, always have to sum them up based on their skin color, sex, sexuality and even attractiveness.

Oh save it... Carly is just as much a superficial bitch as anybody & there should be no sympathy for her... when she was running against Barbara Boxer in 2010 for Senator in California... at an interview she was getting ready for, she didn't realize her mic was on.

 

[PK1]

Oh, I was wondering when I saw the OP if you were a female hating white male Democrat and whelp, I guess you are! Can't just look at a human and see a person, always have to sum them up based on their skin color, sex, sexuality and even attractiveness.

Oh save it... Carly is just as much a superficial bitch as anybody & there should be no sympathy for her... when she was running against Barbara Boxer in 2010 for Senator in California... at an interview she was getting ready for, she didn't realize her mic was on.

---
Carly looked a lot better 5 years ago; more natural, not because she was younger.
This pic makes her look "plastic" with all that lipstick & makeup crap.

.

 

[sealybobo]

They didn't cave on much dummy. Obamacare was the law before boehner was speaker.

Republicans love illegals. They lower wages and that's good for business.

He has to raise the debt ceiling.

Don't even know what the rest of those things are.

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

bobo has anyone told you you are a dipshit today?....no?... let me be the first one....you are dipshit bobo.....show me were i have ever defended illegals being here or the guys who hire them.....you know shit about Mexicans or illegals...you are the kind of guy who sees a brown person and says look an illegal....the county i live in has more Hispanics than your whole fucking state...i bet you dont even know a Mexican.....now that that is out of the way....i will say it again because your ignorant about Mexicans ass missed it the first time i said it....try what you are advocating in this State and probably some of the other boarder States and your piece of shit party will call you a fucking racist basterd....you got that bobo?...YOUR FUCKING PARTY...and you are right im done debating this with you because i put the truth in front of your face and you insist its not true because you read it somewhere.....you are a nice guy to bobo but learn something about the people you criticize before you show us how stupid you a

They didn't cave on much dummy. Obamacare was the law before boehner was speaker.

Republicans love illegals. They lower wages and that's good for business.

He has to raise the debt ceiling.

Don't even know what the rest of those things are.

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

bobo has anyone told you you are a dipshit today?....no?... let me be the first one....you are dipshit bobo.....show me were i have ever defended illegals being here or the guys who hire them.....you know shit about Mexicans or illegals...you are the kind of guy who sees a brown person and says look an illegal....the county i live in has more Hispanics than your whole fucking state...i bet you dont even know a Mexican.....now that that is out of the way....i will say it again because your ignorant about Mexicans ass missed it the first time i said it....try what you are advocating in this State and probably some of the other boarder States and your piece of shit party will call you a fucking racist basterd....you got that bobo?...YOUR FUCKING PARTY...and you are right im done debating this with you because i put the truth in front of your face and you insist its not true because you read it somewhere.....you are a nice guy to bobo but learn something about the people you criticize before you show us how stupid you are....

What is your solution?

 

[sealybobo]

Oh, I was wondering when I saw the OP if you were a female hating white male Democrat and whelp, I guess you are! Can't just look at a human and see a person, always have to sum them up based on their skin color, sex, sexuality and even attractiveness.

Oh save it... Carly is just as much a superficial bitch as anybody & there should be no sympathy for her... when she was running against Barbara Boxer in 2010 for Senator in California... at an interview she was getting ready for, she didn't realize her mic was on.

Cutting jobs and sending jobs overseas. That's what I want America to become.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

bobo has anyone told you you are a dipshit today?....no?... let me be the first one....you are dipshit bobo.....show me were i have ever defended illegals being here or the guys who hire them.....you know shit about Mexicans or illegals...you are the kind of guy who sees a brown person and says look an illegal....the county i live in has more Hispanics than your whole fucking state...i bet you dont even know a Mexican.....now that that is out of the way....i will say it again because your ignorant about Mexicans ass missed it the first time i said it....try what you are advocating in this State and probably some of the other boarder States and your piece of shit party will call you a fucking racist basterd....you got that bobo?...YOUR FUCKING PARTY...and you are right im done debating this with you because i put the truth in front of your face and you insist its not true because you read it somewhere.....you are a nice guy to bobo but learn something about the people you criticize before you show us how stupid you a

Republicans love illegals.
i think your people do to bobo....i know you cant come out and say it...so i said it for you...your welcome....

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

bobo has anyone told you you are a dipshit today?....no?... let me be the first one....you are dipshit bobo.....show me were i have ever defended illegals being here or the guys who hire them.....you know shit about Mexicans or illegals...you are the kind of guy who sees a brown person and says look an illegal....the county i live in has more Hispanics than your whole fucking state...i bet you dont even know a Mexican.....now that that is out of the way....i will say it again because your ignorant about Mexicans ass missed it the first time i said it....try what you are advocating in this State and probably some of the other boarder States and your piece of shit party will call you a fucking racist basterd....you got that bobo?...YOUR FUCKING PARTY...and you are right im done debating this with you because i put the truth in front of your face and you insist its not true because you read it somewhere.....you are a nice guy to bobo but learn something about the people you criticize before you show us how stupid you are....

What is your solution?

well for one you are not going to deport them all like so many think you can,make the ones who have been here for x amount of years and actually have something going here sign the "i want to be legal" papers and make them start paying taxes like the rest of us wherever they work.....if they refuse to do it or dont do it after a reasonable amount of time,show them the border.....the real new people unless they have a good reason to be here,see ya....this country allowed this to happen,and i mean both parties,not just republicans,so they both will have to be together on this,and start controlling who comes in here....and after all that,if those activist bitch...kick their asses out too...this country has a right to screen who comes here like every other country does,and they are going to have to be tough with those who dont want to play fairly,if other countries dont like it....tough shit...im sure there are other decent ideas floating out there....

 

[Vigilante]

Oh, I was wondering when I saw the OP if you were a female hating white male Democrat and whelp, I guess you are! Can't just look at a human and see a person, always have to sum them up based on their skin color, sex, sexuality and even attractiveness.

Oh save it... Carly is just as much a superficial bitch as anybody & there should be no sympathy for her... when she was running against Barbara Boxer in 2010 for Senator in California... at an interview she was getting ready for, she didn't realize her mic was on.

---
Carly looked a lot better 5 years ago; more natural, not because she was younger.
This pic makes her look "plastic" with all that lipstick & makeup crap.
View attachment 49944
.

I have to LOVE this... Opposite to all DemocRAT and RINO talking points!!

Donald Trump's Nonexistent Problem with GOP Women!!!!

CNN ^ | SEPTEMBER 11, 2015
A new CNN/ORC poll shows that Trump has increased his lead among Republican women, boosting his share to 33% of women voters, up from 20% a month ago! The real estate tycoon has repeatedly defied the normal rules of politics, building his standing among almost every GOP demographic group and leaving his opponents scrambling for how to respond. Jeb Bush said that Trump couldn't insult his way to the White House, yet Trump's insult-heavy strategy appears to be working, as Bush sits at 9% in the polls. Trump's success with Republican women follows a high-profile fight with Fox New's Megyn...

 

[sealybobo]

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

bobo has anyone told you you are a dipshit today?....no?... let me be the first one....you are dipshit bobo.....show me were i have ever defended illegals being here or the guys who hire them.....you know shit about Mexicans or illegals...you are the kind of guy who sees a brown person and says look an illegal....the county i live in has more Hispanics than your whole fucking state...i bet you dont even know a Mexican.....now that that is out of the way....i will say it again because your ignorant about Mexicans ass missed it the first time i said it....try what you are advocating in this State and probably some of the other boarder States and your piece of shit party will call you a fucking racist basterd....you got that bobo?...YOUR FUCKING PARTY...and you are right im done debating this with you because i put the truth in front of your face and you insist its not true because you read it somewhere.....you are a nice guy to bobo but learn something about the people you criticize before you show us how stupid you a

Why the fuck would I love illegals? I/We/Us union/labor types have been screaming for years you dumb mother fuckers.

We've been telling you this shit since AT LEAST 2006. Want proof? Here it is. Oh and by the way, this guy is great friends with Bernie Sanders. Maybe you should vote for Bernie if you like what you read dummy.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames. The reality is that we don't have an "Illegal Immigration" problem in America. We have an "Illegal Employer" problem.

Yet it's almost never mentioned in the mainstream media, because to point it out could slightly reduce the profits and CEO salaries of many of America's largest multi-state and multinational corporations - who both own the media and contribute heavily to conservative politicians. Republicans would prefer that the "criminals" covered in the press are working people, and that corporate and CEO criminals not get discussed.

Encouraging a rapid increase in the workforce by encouraging companies to hire non-citizens is one of the three most potent tools conservatives since Ronald Reagan have used to convert the American middle class into the American working poor. (The other two are destroying the governmental protections that keep labor unions viable, and ending tariffs while promoting trade deals like NAFTA/WTO/GATT that export manufacturing jobs.) When labor markets are tight, wages go up. When labor markets are awash in workers willing to work at the bottom of the pay scale, unskilled and semi-skilled wages overall will decrease.

When the cost of labor goes down, the result usually isn't a decrease in prices, but, instead, an increase in corporate and CEO profits. (This is because the marketplace sets prices, but the cost of labor helps set profits. For example, when Nike began manufacturing shoes in Third World countries with labor costs below US labor costs, it didn't lead to $15 Nikes - their price held, and even increased, because the market would bear it. Instead, that reduction in labor costs led to Nike CEO Phil Knight becoming a multi-billionaire.)

But Dobbs and his fellow Republicans say the solution is to "secure our border" with a fence like that used by East Germany, but that stretches a distance about the same as that from Washington, DC to Chicago. It'll be a multi-billion-dollar boon to Halliburton and Bechtel, who will undoubtedly get the construction and maintenance contracts, but it won't stop illegal immigration. (Instead, people will legally come in on tourist and other visas, and not leave when their visas expire.)

The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them. Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized).

But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages). A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs. The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers. Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95%. Who was president? Bush. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000. "In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" They never ask this in the corporate media. NEVER! Why? I think you know.

Only the CNN poll asked the question: "Would you favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants?" Two-thirds of Americans, of all party affiliations, said, "Yes," but it went virtually unreported in mainstream media coverage.

"Mass deportations" and "Fences" are hysterics and false choices. Start penalizing "Illegal Employers" and non-citizens without a Social Security number will leave the country on their own. Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before).

Republicans, however, are not going to allow a discussion of "Illegal Employers." Instead, they will continue to hammer the issue of "Illegal Immigrants," and tie that political albatross around the necks of Democrats (who seem all too willing to accept it).

your pathetic little party does the same fucking things.....come out here and try to get rid of illegals you wont have no republicans in your face you will have people who think just like you do calling you racist....if anyone is blind to this bobo its you,you cant even blame your party you are so mesmerized by them......

Your reply is the perfect example of why we will never solve this problem harry. Tomorrow you will go right fucking back to complaining about illegal employers. Instead of trying my suggestion you just fall right back on your position that we do the same thing. You are an imbecile harry.

Maybe if Trump says it you will listen.

Anyways, just liked pointing out that Thom Hartmann, a good friend of Bernie Sanders, wrote that op ed in 2006. So you Republicans are WAY behind on this issue. Nice to see 9 fucking years later you and Trump are at least starting to get it. But remember what I said, those illegals are here only because they have jobs.

Why didn't Mexicans come and stay before Reagan? They were poor before Reagan you know. What made them stop going home at the end of the fruit picking season? Did you even read my article?

Anyways, I'm done debating this with you harry because I put gold in front of your face and you insist it's silver. If I can put that many facts in front of your face and you can continue to argue, you're just a stubborn old conservative idiot. A nice one but you are still a fucking idiot.

No wonder our politicians are corrupt when the citizens are so fucking stupid.

bobo has anyone told you you are a dipshit today?....no?... let me be the first one....you are dipshit bobo.....show me were i have ever defended illegals being here or the guys who hire them.....you know shit about Mexicans or illegals...you are the kind of guy who sees a brown person and says look an illegal....the county i live in has more Hispanics than your whole fucking state...i bet you dont even know a Mexican.....now that that is out of the way....i will say it again because your ignorant about Mexicans ass missed it the first time i said it....try what you are advocating in this State and probably some of the other boarder States and your piece of shit party will call you a fucking racist basterd....you got that bobo?...YOUR FUCKING PARTY...and you are right im done debating this with you because i put the truth in front of your face and you insist its not true because you read it somewhere.....you are a nice guy to bobo but learn something about the people you criticize before you show us how stupid you are....

What is your solution?

well for one you are not going to deport them all like so many think you can,make the ones who have been here for x amount of years and actually have something going here sign the "i want to be legal" papers and make them start paying taxes like the rest of us wherever they work.....if they refuse to do it or dont do it after a reasonable amount of time,show them the border.....the real new people unless they have a good reason to be here,see ya....this country allowed this to happen,and i mean both parties,not just republicans,so they both will have to be together on this,and start controlling who comes in here....and after all that,if those activist bitch...kick their asses out too...this country has a right to screen who comes here like every other country does,and they are going to have to be tough with those who dont want to play fairly,if other countries dont like it....tough shit...im sure there are other decent ideas floating out there....

Just as I thought. Not a word about illegal employers. Have a good day harry.

 

[playtime]

Oh, I was wondering when I saw the OP if you were a female hating white male Democrat and whelp, I guess you are! Can't just look at a human and see a person, always have to sum them up based on their skin color, sex, sexuality and even attractiveness.

Oh save it... Carly is just as much a superficial bitch as anybody & there should be no sympathy for her... when she was running against Barbara Boxer in 2010 for Senator in California... at an interview she was getting ready for, she didn't realize her mic was on.

---
Carly looked a lot better 5 years ago; more natural, not because she was younger.
This pic makes her look "plastic" with all that lipstick & makeup crap.
View attachment 49944
.

I have to LOVE this... Opposite to all DemocRAT and RINO talking points!!

Donald Trump's Nonexistent Problem with GOP Women!!!!

CNN ^ | SEPTEMBER 11, 2015
A new CNN/ORC poll shows that Trump has increased his lead among Republican women, boosting his share to 33% of women voters, up from 20% a month ago! The real estate tycoon has repeatedly defied the normal rules of politics, building his standing among almost every GOP demographic group and leaving his opponents scrambling for how to respond. Jeb Bush said that Trump couldn't insult his way to the White House, yet Trump's insult-heavy strategy appears to be working, as Bush sits at 9% in the polls. Trump's success with Republican women follows a high-profile fight with Fox New's Megyn...

That's says much about the brain of a republican woman.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Was it multiple face-lifts or surgery gone wrong that made her look like a skinny transvesti man with a very long face? I might vote for her though.

Yeah, she does look like a horsey trans. Maybe that's why Hewlett-Packard fired her - in addition to almost destroying the company.

Ok, we all have to admit that she's no hottie, like conservatives' all time favorite female leader...

...Margaret Thatcher.

 

[Care4all]

Nothing wrong with her face... her skin looks pretty good for her age as well...

Is she, ''Stop traffic, gorgeous''... like Trumps many wives when he married them? No

But who would want a busty bombshell bimbo, as president anyway....??

I know, I know....I can see the cyber hands at USMB going up, waving madly!