What Is Wrong With Liberals??

[PoliticalChic]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

"Conservatives will always deny there are social problems."

So...you never studied history?


For primers, check out the reason the Republican Party was formed to counter the slavery party, the Democrats.

 

[rightwinger]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

One thing common to each generation is that Conservaives will be against change. They were against the founding of our country, against the abolition of slavery, against equal rights, against environmental protections

One thing is common with conservatives....they are on the wrong side of history

"...Conservaives will be against change."
False.


1) Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).


2) Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.

I agree that change is usually gradual with a conservative

They typically hold off accepting it until it is well in place. Then, they claim to have supported it all along

 

[rightwinger]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

"Conservatives will always deny there are social problems."

So...you never studied history?


For primers, check out the reason the Republican Party was formed to counter the slavery party, the Democrats.

The Republican Party of the 1860s were liberals. Strong federal government, against states rights, against slavery

 

[RKMBrown]

A lie.

Each generation of liberal faces new challenges and new issues. They seek unique solutions to make their world a better place

It may be:
All men are created equal
Slavery should be abolished
Women should have the same rights as men
Gays deserve the same rights as heterosexuals

The issue may change with each generation, but the fact that it is LIBERALS who are leading the charge does not

the problem with today's liberals is that they want to dictate change, not implement change as a majority of society want it. today's liberals want mind control and punishment for any thoughts that violate the dictates of the all-knowing government.

today's liberals want to be slaves of the state. today's liberalism is a mental disease.

Rights are still rights...they are not subject to a vote of the majority

Change is a funny thing....you have to use any means available

Not true.. Rights have been restricted time and again by duly elected officials who were put in place via majority elections.. thus rights are now subject to a vote of the majority. Further, at the state level, regulations on rights are directly voted on via special elections.

You're getting off the track here, Brownie.

There is a vast difference between a democracy, and our nation....a reputed republic.

For purposes of clarity, a democracy is rule by the majority...while that may appear to be the case, it is not so.
The term 'democracy' appears in neither the Constitution, or the D of I.....in fact, it appears in none of the constitutions of the 50 states.

A republic is ruled by the law...the Constitution....(if only.)


Madison, Federalist #10 ".... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."


While you are certainly correct in "Rights have been restricted time and again by duly elected officials who were put in place via majority elections," such restrictions are illegal, or have been found so later by the courts, or only due to extreme emergency conditions. Lincoln, for example.


I'm not disagreeing with your factual statement....just saying that the nation was set up to avoid exactly that.

While I would emphatically agree with the factual statement that we were formed as a republic... the changes made to our once great republic have most certainly devolved us into a democracy where the majority has been fervently whittling away every single liberty at the federal level.

The once touted "vast difference" you are talking about is now relegated to a talking point for historical purposes.

 

[RKMBrown]

A lie.

Each generation of liberal faces new challenges and new issues. They seek unique solutions to make their world a better place

It may be:
All men are created equal
Slavery should be abolished
Women should have the same rights as men
Gays deserve the same rights as heterosexuals

The issue may change with each generation, but the fact that it is LIBERALS who are leading the charge does not

the problem with today's liberals is that they want to dictate change, not implement change as a majority of society want it. today's liberals want mind control and punishment for any thoughts that violate the dictates of the all-knowing government.

today's liberals want to be slaves of the state. today's liberalism is a mental disease.

Rights are still rights...they are not subject to a vote of the majority

Change is a funny thing....you have to use any means available

Not true.. Rights have been restricted time and again by duly elected officials who were put in place via majority elections.. thus rights are now subject to a vote of the majority. Further, at the state level, regulations on rights are directly voted on via special elections.

You don't understand the differences between a Republic and a Democracy

I believe my understanding of the difference between a republic and a democracy to equal or exceed 99.999% of all humans on the planet. I challenge you to discover something missing in my understanding of the difference.

 

[RKMBrown]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

"Conservatives will always deny there are social problems."

So...you never studied history?


For primers, check out the reason the Republican Party was formed to counter the slavery party, the Democrats.

The Republican Party of the 1860s were liberals. Strong federal government, against states rights, against slavery

The current republican party is still for strong federal government, for states rights, and against slavery. The republicans just use a different definition of terms for what the terms strong, rights, and slavery means than the definition of terms democrats use.

 

[Erand7899]

The founders would spit upon todays liberals and their mindless agendas....

Speaking for the founders? Did they really go around spitting on people? Sounds like a conservative thing.

No,we piss on liberal ideology.

Yeah, like the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are products of Enlightenment Era Classical Liberalism...which is not at all related to present day Progressive Liberalism.

A liberal is a liberal.....is a liberal

The issues and challenges of each era may change.....but liberals remain the same
Unfortunately, so do conservatives

Yes, liberals are liberals, but misguided Socialists who desire to think of themselves as liberals, are not liberals. A rose is a rose, and stinkweed is not, regardless of whether it would like to be.

Liberals would puke at political correctness, group politics, and government dependency. The core of modern Liberal/Socialism. I know real Liberals, I am friends with real Liberals, and you Liberal/Socialists are not real Liberals. You fly under false colors because you cannot stand the stink of your true selves.

Classical Liberalism and modern Conservatism have the same roots. Socialism is a weed in the garden. Stinkweed, attempting to look like a rose.

 

[Erand7899]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

Not amazing at all. You have the propaganda down pat. Amazing would be one of you Liberal/Socialists attempting to think for yourselves.

Nations grow up, and as they mature, they tend to correct the defects inherited from the conditions surrounding their birth. To do so, they must reflect of their childhood, and throw off the deadwood, while maintaining the principles that made them a great nation. Fundamental transfromation is not part of that formula, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Social change must come from the people first and government last, otherwise, that change will be continually challenged with the final results a mutant that eats at the society and saps its strength. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people does not dictate to the people.

 

[Nosmo King]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

One thing common to each generation is that Conservaives will be against change. They were against the founding of our country, against the abolition of slavery, against equal rights, against environmental protections

One thing is common with conservatives....they are on the wrong side of history

"...Conservaives will be against change."
False.


1) Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).


2) Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.

could you cite specific instances where Conservatives were in the vanguard of social change? Where were the Conservatives on Jim Crow, or slavery itself? Where were the Conservatives on women's suffrage, on child labor, on collective bargaining rights, on environmental issues, on pay equality or Gay Rights?

If we accept the clumsy assertion that Conservatives are not opposed to change, what changes have Conservatives championed?

 

[Nosmo King]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

Not amazing at all. You have the propaganda down pat. Amazing would be one of you Liberal/Socialists attempting to think for yourselves.

Nations grow up, and as they mature, they tend to correct the defects inherited from the conditions surrounding their birth. To do so, they must reflect of their childhood, and throw off the deadwood, while maintaining the principles that made them a great nation. Fundamental transfromation is not part of that formula, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Social change must come from the people first and government last, otherwise, that change will be continually challenged with the final results a mutant that eats at the society and saps its strength. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people does not dictate to the people.

Nor should government of, for and by the people act as a passive observer of the plight of the people.

 

[Redfish]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

Not amazing at all. You have the propaganda down pat. Amazing would be one of you Liberal/Socialists attempting to think for yourselves.

Nations grow up, and as they mature, they tend to correct the defects inherited from the conditions surrounding their birth. To do so, they must reflect of their childhood, and throw off the deadwood, while maintaining the principles that made them a great nation. Fundamental transfromation is not part of that formula, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Social change must come from the people first and government last, otherwise, that change will be continually challenged with the final results a mutant that eats at the society and saps its strength. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people does not dictate to the people.

Nor should government of, for and by the people act as a passive observer of the plight of the people.

you make no sense. if the govt is "of the people" how can it also be a "passive observer...".

like most liberals you want the govt to dictate social change, not react to the will of the people.

 

[Erand7899]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

One thing common to each generation is that Conservaives will be against change. They were against the founding of our country, against the abolition of slavery, against equal rights, against environmental protections

One thing is common with conservatives....they are on the wrong side of history

"...Conservaives will be against change."
False.


1) Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).


2) Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.

I agree that change is usually gradual with a conservative

They typically hold off accepting it until it is well in place. Then, they claim to have supported it all along

Maturation, especially social maturation, is always gradual and reasoned. Otherwise, one winds up with idiotic concepts like political correctness, divisive group politics, Obamacare and the war on poverty. Social bastardization posing as social progress.

Anytime that government, including the courts, attempt to lead the people in a social direction that the people have not already arrived at, it creates social division and distrust of government. It is the government's duty to lead the people in the direction that the people want to go, not dictate its own desire to the people.

 

[Nosmo King]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

Not amazing at all. You have the propaganda down pat. Amazing would be one of you Liberal/Socialists attempting to think for yourselves.

Nations grow up, and as they mature, they tend to correct the defects inherited from the conditions surrounding their birth. To do so, they must reflect of their childhood, and throw off the deadwood, while maintaining the principles that made them a great nation. Fundamental transfromation is not part of that formula, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Social change must come from the people first and government last, otherwise, that change will be continually challenged with the final results a mutant that eats at the society and saps its strength. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people does not dictate to the people.

Nor should government of, for and by the people act as a passive observer of the plight of the people.

you make no sense. if the govt is "of the people" how can it also be a "passive observer...".

like most liberals you want the govt to dictate social change, not react to the will of the people.

And yet when the people are in the grip of financial crisis, Conservative policy says the government should not act in their behalf. When the people want environmental regulations to assure safe water, air and soil, Conservative policy sees only onerous federal regulations 'designed' to kill the economy. When the people demand equal treatment under law, Conservative policy sees only 'special interests' seeking 'special rights'.

Where are the Conservatives? Why, they are stomping on the brake pedal rather than working hard to ensure progress.

 

[Redfish]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

Not amazing at all. You have the propaganda down pat. Amazing would be one of you Liberal/Socialists attempting to think for yourselves.

Nations grow up, and as they mature, they tend to correct the defects inherited from the conditions surrounding their birth. To do so, they must reflect of their childhood, and throw off the deadwood, while maintaining the principles that made them a great nation. Fundamental transfromation is not part of that formula, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Social change must come from the people first and government last, otherwise, that change will be continually challenged with the final results a mutant that eats at the society and saps its strength. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people does not dictate to the people.

Nor should government of, for and by the people act as a passive observer of the plight of the people.

you make no sense. if the govt is "of the people" how can it also be a "passive observer...".

like most liberals you want the govt to dictate social change, not react to the will of the people.

And yet when the people are in the grip of financial crisis, Conservative policy says the government should not act in their behalf. When the people want environmental regulations to assure safe water, air and soil, Conservative policy sees only onerous federal regulations 'designed' to kill the economy. When the people demand equal treatment under law, Conservative policy sees only 'special interests' seeking 'special rights'.

Where are the Conservatives? Why, they are stomping on the brake pedal rather than working hard to ensure progress.

^^^^all dem/lib talking points, not a word of truth in that post. NOT A WORD!

 

[Redfish]

the answer to the question---what is wrong with liberals

Researchers find a liberal gene - ScienceBlog.com

 

[Nosmo King]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

Not amazing at all. You have the propaganda down pat. Amazing would be one of you Liberal/Socialists attempting to think for yourselves.

Nations grow up, and as they mature, they tend to correct the defects inherited from the conditions surrounding their birth. To do so, they must reflect of their childhood, and throw off the deadwood, while maintaining the principles that made them a great nation. Fundamental transfromation is not part of that formula, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Social change must come from the people first and government last, otherwise, that change will be continually challenged with the final results a mutant that eats at the society and saps its strength. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people does not dictate to the people.

Nor should government of, for and by the people act as a passive observer of the plight of the people.

you make no sense. if the govt is "of the people" how can it also be a "passive observer...".

like most liberals you want the govt to dictate social change, not react to the will of the people.

And yet when the people are in the grip of financial crisis, Conservative policy says the government should not act in their behalf. When the people want environmental regulations to assure safe water, air and soil, Conservative policy sees only onerous federal regulations 'designed' to kill the economy. When the people demand equal treatment under law, Conservative policy sees only 'special interests' seeking 'special rights'.

Where are the Conservatives? Why, they are stomping on the brake pedal rather than working hard to ensure progress.

^^^^all dem/lib talking points, not a word of truth in that post. NOT A WORD!

Just pointing and saying "Liar!" does not make an argument. Instead, refute my post with your facts. And try answering the question: where are Conservatives on championing the people's rights? So far we've seen Conservatives fighting against Gay rights, women's rights, environmental safeguards, labor rights, even the rights of immigrants. Where are the Conservatives?

 

[Erand7899]

Liberals will always try to solve problems. Of course, some of the solutions beget their own problems, but that is to be expected. No solution is 100% foolproof.

Conservatives will always deny there are social problems. That's because solving social problems by way of government action is anathema to Conservatives. Poverty, hunger, lack of education or opportunity are all situations the much beloved and often excused private sector is supposed to handle.

Conservatives see only political problems. And often those problems are of Conservative heritage to begin with. Conservatives claim to love, make that LOVE the constitution, right up to the point someone tries to avail themselves of constitutional rights and protections. Listening to Conservatives, one might think that they would harken back to what they see as a "Golden Age" of American constitutional adherence. To wit: no paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic and only White, property owning males eligible to vote.

And then they ask "What's wrong with Liberals?"

Amazin', ain't it?

One thing common to each generation is that Conservaives will be against change. They were against the founding of our country, against the abolition of slavery, against equal rights, against environmental protections

One thing is common with conservatives....they are on the wrong side of history

"...Conservaives will be against change."
False.


1) Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).


2) Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.

could you cite specific instances where Conservatives were in the vanguard of social change? Where were the Conservatives on Jim Crow, or slavery itself? Where were the Conservatives on women's suffrage, on child labor, on collective bargaining rights, on environmental issues, on pay equality or Gay Rights?

If we accept the clumsy assertion that Conservatives are not opposed to change, what changes have Conservatives championed?

The Liberals of yesterday are the Conservatives of today. Liberal/Socialists did not end slavery, defeat Jim Crow, or give women the right to vote. Liberal/Socialists sail under false colors and attempt to take credit for everything they consider good, but had little to do with securing.

 

[Redfish]

Not amazing at all. You have the propaganda down pat. Amazing would be one of you Liberal/Socialists attempting to think for yourselves.

Nations grow up, and as they mature, they tend to correct the defects inherited from the conditions surrounding their birth. To do so, they must reflect of their childhood, and throw off the deadwood, while maintaining the principles that made them a great nation. Fundamental transfromation is not part of that formula, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that.

Social change must come from the people first and government last, otherwise, that change will be continually challenged with the final results a mutant that eats at the society and saps its strength. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people does not dictate to the people.

Nor should government of, for and by the people act as a passive observer of the plight of the people.

you make no sense. if the govt is "of the people" how can it also be a "passive observer...".

like most liberals you want the govt to dictate social change, not react to the will of the people.

And yet when the people are in the grip of financial crisis, Conservative policy says the government should not act in their behalf. When the people want environmental regulations to assure safe water, air and soil, Conservative policy sees only onerous federal regulations 'designed' to kill the economy. When the people demand equal treatment under law, Conservative policy sees only 'special interests' seeking 'special rights'.

Where are the Conservatives? Why, they are stomping on the brake pedal rather than working hard to ensure progress.

^^^^all dem/lib talking points, not a word of truth in that post. NOT A WORD!

Just pointing and saying "Liar!" does not make an argument. Instead, refute my post with your facts. And try answering the question: where are Conservatives on championing the people's rights? So far we've seen Conservatives fighting against Gay rights, women's rights, environmental safeguards, labor rights, even the rights of immigrants. Where are the Conservatives?

conservatives want freedom and equality for everyone, egual rights for everyone (women and gays are included in 'everyone), a safe environment. They also want the laws of supply and demand to set the prices that we pay for goods and services. They want american citizens to have the right to "pursue happiness" but, the govt does not exist to guarantee that everyone will be successful in the pursuit of happiness. True freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail.

you mention labor rights, but we all know that is code for union rule.

no conservatives are fighting against gay rights and womens rights or envrionmental safeguards. You fools try to equate gay marriage with gay rights. marriage is not a right. Each state should let its citizens vote on what marriages is sanctions.

Illegal immigrants have NO rights, they are in our country in violation of our laws.

 

[Carla_Danger]

8 years of saying liberals hate America giftwrapped Obama the Presidency twice in a row. Keep it up you self-righteous assholes.

It's not our fault that they've alienated every minority and women too! Their base mostly old white men. And teabaggers are mostly old fat people. LOL!

 

[Nosmo King]

Nor should government of, for and by the people act as a passive observer of the plight of the people.

you make no sense. if the govt is "of the people" how can it also be a "passive observer...".

like most liberals you want the govt to dictate social change, not react to the will of the people.

And yet when the people are in the grip of financial crisis, Conservative policy says the government should not act in their behalf. When the people want environmental regulations to assure safe water, air and soil, Conservative policy sees only onerous federal regulations 'designed' to kill the economy. When the people demand equal treatment under law, Conservative policy sees only 'special interests' seeking 'special rights'.

Where are the Conservatives? Why, they are stomping on the brake pedal rather than working hard to ensure progress.

^^^^all dem/lib talking points, not a word of truth in that post. NOT A WORD!

Just pointing and saying "Liar!" does not make an argument. Instead, refute my post with your facts. And try answering the question: where are Conservatives on championing the people's rights? So far we've seen Conservatives fighting against Gay rights, women's rights, environmental safeguards, labor rights, even the rights of immigrants. Where are the Conservatives?

conservatives want freedom and equality for everyone, egual rights for everyone (women and gays are included in 'everyone), a safe environment. They also want the laws of supply and demand to set the prices that we pay for goods and services. They want american citizens to have the right to "pursue happiness" but, the govt does not exist to guarantee that everyone will be successful in the pursuit of happiness. True freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail.

you mention labor rights, but we all know that is code for union rule.

no conservatives are fighting against gay rights and womens rights or envrionmental safeguards. You fools try to equate gay marriage with gay rights. marriage is not a right. Each state should let its citizens vote on what marriages is sanctions.

Illegal immigrants have NO rights, they are in our country in violation of our laws.

It's sweet that you somehow managed to hold on to the belief that Conservatives are working hard to ensure equal rights. Especially in the face of the opposition Conservatives throw up on these issues. Conservatives have opposed the establishment of the USEPA and have called for the elimination of that agency ever since.

Marriage equality IS Gay Rights. When obstinate, petulant, feckless Conservatives do everything in their thankfully limited power to continue to repress a community of American citizens for NO GOOD REASON, I think it's a safe assumption that Conservatives are acting in their normal way, eroding, limiting and withholding the rights of each and every American citizen.

On immigration, fiscal Conservatives want the cheap, practically slave labor provided by immigrants. The children of these immigrants are made to suffer under Conservative policies that make the pursuit of their own happiness impossible. More repression from Conservative policy makers, pundits and willing sycophants on the Right.

Conservatives attack labor with the regularity of inhaling. There simply is not the notion that workers have the right to collective bargaining among Conservatives. And, thus, worker's pay and benefit packages shrink in the constant attempt to maximize profits for owners at the expense of those who actually do the work.

Conservatives see investment as the noble pathway to wealth. Investment where no products are produced, yet value increases.

It used to be the pathway to wealth was innovation and invention. Now, the pathway to wealth is making a killing in the market, even if it means the death of factories that...get ready for it...ACTUALLY PROVIDE JOBS. Which way of getting rich is the more noble: earning a living or investing in the stock market?