What kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Finally, about the teachers, let me ask some of you this........how many of you would face a spray of bullets to try and take down the shooter? The shooter has the element of surprise on his side whereas the teacher would have to go and retrieve the gun from it's secured place, then, unless they were behind the shooter, would place themselves in the immediate path of the shooter. and who do you think the shooter would shoot next when he saw the teacher with the gun? Would any of you face a shooter with an AK-15 and try to take him down while he was firing? You'd be dead before you hit the floor.

Nobody is asking teachers to be Rambo's. If a teacher is locked down in his classroom with his students and the shooter breaks in, at least he stands a chance and yes, it would be an element of surprise. The shooter might pass his room where he is able to be behind the shooter and take him down that way.

If you had children in school in such a situation, would you rather your children be with a teacher that is armed or a teacher that's just going to die with the rest of the kids?

 

[Kittymom1026]

And, who do they think the shooter is going to take out first knowing there's an armed guard on duty. Like I said before, the shooter had the element of surprise on his side. And where was it that there was an actual armed guard on duty but he was too chicken to go into the building during the shooting?

What about the scenarios that do not play out as your conveniently suppose?
Where the armed teacher/administrator/staff member is able to stop the shooter as or immediately after he enters, before he is able to kill a bunch of kids?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

 

[Kittymom1026]

Finally, about the teachers, let me ask some of you this........how many of you would face a spray of bullets to try and take down the shooter? The shooter has the element of surprise on his side whereas the teacher would have to go and retrieve the gun from it's secured place, then, unless they were behind the shooter, would place themselves in the immediate path of the shooter. and who do you think the shooter would shoot next when he saw the teacher with the gun? Would any of you face a shooter with an AK-15 and try to take him down while he was firing? You'd be dead before you hit the floor.

Nobody is asking teachers to be Rambo's. If a teacher is locked down in his classroom with his students and the shooter breaks in, at least he stands a chance and yes, it would be an element of surprise. The shooter might pass his room where he is able to be behind the shooter and take him down that way.

If you had children in school in such a situation, would you rather your children be with a teacher that is armed or a teacher that's just going to die with the rest of the kids?

The shooter is there to get as many in the hall as they can and plenty of kids panic and race into the halls. The shooter isn't going to take the time to break down a locked door to get to a few kids when he has plenty to choose from in the halls. The teachers who were killed chose to open the door for some of the students in the hall to come into the rooms.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And, who do they think the shooter is going to take out first knowing there's an armed guard on duty. Like I said before, the shooter had the element of surprise on his side. And where was it that there was an actual armed guard on duty but he was too chicken to go into the building during the shooting?

What about the scenarios that do not play out as your conveniently suppose?
Where the armed teacher/administrator/staff member is able to stop the shooter as or immediately after he enters, before he is able to kill a bunch of kids?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

 

[M14 Shooter]

The shooter is there to get as many in the hall as they can and plenty of kids panic and race into the halls. The shooter isn't going to take the time to break down a locked door to get to a few kids when he has plenty to choose from in the halls. The teachers who were killed chose to open the door for some of the students in the hall to come into the rooms.

Convenient suppositions you have there.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

 

[Kittymom1026]

The shooter is there to get as many in the hall as they can and plenty of kids panic and race into the halls. The shooter isn't going to take the time to break down a locked door to get to a few kids when he has plenty to choose from in the halls. The teachers who were killed chose to open the door for some of the students in the hall to come into the rooms.

Convenient suppositions you have there.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

And when the police arrive, how will they know who is the shooter and who is the teacher? It has happened before in other circumstances.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.

The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

Politicians and government bureaucrats hate that we can legally own guns and potentially resist their over bearing power.

Worse than that, they've managed to brainwash people into an irrational fear of firearms. The end is the same though: If they can get enough scared little people to back them, they'll do everything they can to enact more restrictive gun control measures.

That's the way it works.

Millions of people don't have healthcare insurance. Government will make it better.
Kids are getting fatter. Government will make it better.
Too many people willingly smoke cigarettes. Government will make it better.
Too many people are getting killed with firearms. Government will make it better.
A baker refused to make a cake for our gay wedding. Government will make it better.
People are polluting our oceans with plastic straws. Government will make it better.

If left in the hands of Democrats, pretty soon there will be no choices to make for ourselves, because no matter what the problem is, Democrats insist they have a solution whether you like it or not.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The shooter is there to get as many in the hall as they can and plenty of kids panic and race into the halls. The shooter isn't going to take the time to break down a locked door to get to a few kids when he has plenty to choose from in the halls. The teachers who were killed chose to open the door for some of the students in the hall to come into the rooms.

Convenient suppositions you have there.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

And when the police arrive....

You have avoided these questions 4 times now.
-Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
-Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?
Well?

 

[Kittymom1026]

And, who do they think the shooter is going to take out first knowing there's an armed guard on duty. Like I said before, the shooter had the element of surprise on his side. And where was it that there was an actual armed guard on duty but he was too chicken to go into the building during the shooting?

What about the scenarios that do not play out as your conveniently suppose?
Where the armed teacher/administrator/staff member is able to stop the shooter as or immediately after he enters, before he is able to kill a bunch of kids?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun which is a real defense against an AR-15, huh? And so far, how many of those armed teachers have had to be in an actual shoot out with someone with an AR-15, which seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

ETA: Very few, if any would face that kind of gunman if the truth be known. And neither would any of you here either no matter how much you puff yourselves up and imagine yourselves as the hero who goes in and saves the day. You'd be as dead as a door nail when the shooter saw the gun in your hand.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What about the scenarios that do not play out as your conveniently suppose?
Where the armed teacher/administrator/staff member is able to stop the shooter as or immediately after he enters, before he is able to kill a bunch of kids?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun...

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?
Well?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Finally, about the teachers, let me ask some of you this........how many of you would face a spray of bullets to try and take down the shooter? The shooter has the element of surprise on his side whereas the teacher would have to go and retrieve the gun from it's secured place, then, unless they were behind the shooter, would place themselves in the immediate path of the shooter. and who do you think the shooter would shoot next when he saw the teacher with the gun? Would any of you face a shooter with an AK-15 and try to take him down while he was firing? You'd be dead before you hit the floor.

Nobody is asking teachers to be Rambo's. If a teacher is locked down in his classroom with his students and the shooter breaks in, at least he stands a chance and yes, it would be an element of surprise. The shooter might pass his room where he is able to be behind the shooter and take him down that way.

If you had children in school in such a situation, would you rather your children be with a teacher that is armed or a teacher that's just going to die with the rest of the kids?

The shooter is there to get as many in the hall as they can and plenty of kids panic and race into the halls. The shooter isn't going to take the time to break down a locked door to get to a few kids when he has plenty to choose from in the halls. The teachers who were killed chose to open the door for some of the students in the hall to come into the rooms.

The gunman in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown has been identified as Adam Lanza. He is also dead, officials said. A senior law enforcement official tells NBC 4 New York that an unidentified woman has also been found dead, shot in the face, at a Newtown home, bringing the death toll to 28. The woman may be Lanza's mother, sources say.

State police said the shooting was confined to two rooms at the school, and that the casualties included 20 children and six adults. Two guns were recovered inside the school, and another outside in a car, officials said. Two law enforcement officials said the weapons were legally purchased and registered to Lanza's mother.

20 Children Among 27 Dead in School Shooting

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What about the scenarios that do not play out as your conveniently suppose?
Where the armed teacher/administrator/staff member is able to stop the shooter as or immediately after he enters, before he is able to kill a bunch of kids?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun which is a real defense against an AR-15, huh? And so far, how many of those armed teachers have had to be in an actual shoot out with someone with an AR-15, which seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

ETA: Very few, if any would face that kind of gunman if the truth be known. And neither would any of you here either no matter how much you puff yourselves up and imagine yourselves as the hero who goes in and saves the day. You'd be as dead as a door nail when the shooter saw the gun in your hand.

What do you think, that the biggest gun wins or something? The person that wins is the one that can plant a bullet in the other person with any size gun.

 

[Kittymom1026]

Finally, about the teachers, let me ask some of you this........how many of you would face a spray of bullets to try and take down the shooter? The shooter has the element of surprise on his side whereas the teacher would have to go and retrieve the gun from it's secured place, then, unless they were behind the shooter, would place themselves in the immediate path of the shooter. and who do you think the shooter would shoot next when he saw the teacher with the gun? Would any of you face a shooter with an AK-15 and try to take him down while he was firing? You'd be dead before you hit the floor.

Nobody is asking teachers to be Rambo's. If a teacher is locked down in his classroom with his students and the shooter breaks in, at least he stands a chance and yes, it would be an element of surprise. The shooter might pass his room where he is able to be behind the shooter and take him down that way.

If you had children in school in such a situation, would you rather your children be with a teacher that is armed or a teacher that's just going to die with the rest of the kids?

The shooter is there to get as many in the hall as they can and plenty of kids panic and race into the halls. The shooter isn't going to take the time to break down a locked door to get to a few kids when he has plenty to choose from in the halls. The teachers who were killed chose to open the door for some of the students in the hall to come into the rooms.

The gunman in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown has been identified as Adam Lanza. He is also dead, officials said. A senior law enforcement official tells NBC 4 New York that an unidentified woman has also been found dead, shot in the face, at a Newtown home, bringing the death toll to 28. The woman may be Lanza's mother, sources say.

State police said the shooting was confined to two rooms at the school, and that the casualties included 20 children and six adults. Two guns were recovered inside the school, and another outside in a car, officials said. Two law enforcement officials said the weapons were legally purchased and registered to Lanza's mother.

20 Children Among 27 Dead in School Shooting

The doors were closed, but not locked so that he would have had to break them down.....big difference.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What do you think, that the biggest gun wins or something? The person that wins is the one that can plant a bullet in the other person with any size gun.

This level of thinking is far beyond her - she apparently think people just show up, stand in place and get shot.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The doors were closed, but not locked so that he would have had to break them down.....big difference.

Why do you keep avoiding my questions?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?
Well?

 

[Kittymom1026]

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun which is a real defense against an AR-15, huh? And so far, how many of those armed teachers have had to be in an actual shoot out with someone with an AR-15, which seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

ETA: Very few, if any would face that kind of gunman if the truth be known. And neither would any of you here either no matter how much you puff yourselves up and imagine yourselves as the hero who goes in and saves the day. You'd be as dead as a door nail when the shooter saw the gun in your hand.

What do you think, that the biggest gun wins or something? The person that wins is the one that can plant a bullet in the other person with any size gun.

so tell me expert, how would a person with a hand gun take down a person shooting an AR-15 that shoots rounds what, about a hundred times faster than the hand gun? And tell me oh hero, would you face a guy shooting that kind of weapon with just a hand gun if you were directly in the line of fire like you and others expect the teachers and students to do?

 

[Pilot1]

What about the scenarios that do not play out as your conveniently suppose?
Where the armed teacher/administrator/staff member is able to stop the shooter as or immediately after he enters, before he is able to kill a bunch of kids?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun which is a real defense against an AR-15, huh? And so far, how many of those armed teachers have had to be in an actual shoot out with someone with an AR-15, which seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

ETA: Very few, if any would face that kind of gunman if the truth be known. And neither would any of you here either no matter how much you puff yourselves up and imagine yourselves as the hero who goes in and saves the day. You'd be as dead as a door nail when the shooter saw the gun in your hand.

Yes a handgun is extremely effective against someone with an AR15. I have both. The ar15 is no magic killer
It shoots one bullet at a time.

Have you ever shot either?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

Astonishing that you cant go for a walk without taking your gun.Its like living in a prison.

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

Silver Spoons Should Preach to the Pitchfork

"You have to" gives it away. The bossy High and Mighty Lowlife are pushy know-it-alls who would have been nobodies in a society where success is based on worth, which it never can be if it is in the least based on birth. Even mentioning those spoiled brats gives them too much respect.

 

[JGalt]

What about the scenarios that do not play out as your conveniently suppose?
Where the armed teacher/administrator/staff member is able to stop the shooter as or immediately after he enters, before he is able to kill a bunch of kids?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

If they're in the classroom teaching then how would they know about him immediately?

Teacher/administrator/staff members are all over the school at all times; if someone comes into the school as starts shooting, someone will notice immediately.
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Starts shooting are your key words here. but your other comment was they would they know if one enters the building if they are teaching a class? And, the teachers and administration do not roam the halls. They are in their offices and classroom doing their jobs, which does not include roaming the halls.

Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?

Teachers have stated that they DO NOT want to be armed. It isn't part of the job description and not what they trained for.

In Ohio, teachers are armed in 63 of the 88 counties.
In Texas 30% of the school districts have armed teachers.
In Utah, concealed carry is allowed in schools, and the administrators aren't allowed to ask teachers if they carry.

Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range
Teachers line up for concealed carry gun lessons, offered for free at local range

And they have a hand gun which is a real defense against an AR-15, huh? And so far, how many of those armed teachers have had to be in an actual shoot out with someone with an AR-15, which seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

ETA: Very few, if any would face that kind of gunman if the truth be known. And neither would any of you here either no matter how much you puff yourselves up and imagine yourselves as the hero who goes in and saves the day. You'd be as dead as a door nail when the shooter saw the gun in your hand.

Thanks for the advice. I'll start carrying an AR-15 from now on, instead.

Gonna need to get a longer coat though.

 

[Kittymom1026]

The doors were closed, but not locked so that he would have had to break them down.....big difference.

Why do you keep avoiding my questions?
Why do you want to leave students and teachers defenseless?
Why do you want to leave the shooter unopposed until the police arrive?
Well?

Because they ARE defenseless up against the high powered guns the school shooters brought with them. I'll ask you the same thing I asked Ray....would you put yourself up against someone with an AR-15 with only a hand gun? He see it and has a rapid firing weapon, which you do not, so guess who is dead? Not the gunman, that's for sure. Is that what you expect teachers and students to also do?