What Makes Socialism So Attractive?

[Redfish]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

The real job creators are consumers.

Everyone agrees that many CEOs make too much money. Do you think all CEOs are republicans? Duh, most of them are democrats, so you are criticizing the people that fund your corrupt party----------funny how that worked out.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Free shit. They love getting stuff they don't have to work for.

And this is why it always fails. I get free stuff that I dont have to work for. When the majority feel this way, nothing gets produced. The next step is communism where the State assigns you a job and you become a slave to the State (China)

The OP made a strong argument that there is another factor in effect, beside greed.

Laziness?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

The real job creators are consumers.

Ohhhhh!!!


So jobs just create themselves!!!




Gads, you're a dunce.


You must get tired of everyone telling you that.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Free shit. They love getting stuff they don't have to work for.

And this is why it always fails. I get free stuff that I dont have to work for. When the majority feel this way, nothing gets produced. The next step is communism where the State assigns you a job and you become a slave to the State (China)

The OP made a strong argument that there is another factor in effect, beside greed.

Laziness?

The desire to rebel.

 

[Redfish]

socialism appeals to the lazy, the ignorant, and the jealous. Socialism would make them slaves, not equals. In a socialist state a tiny group of elites have control of all the money and all the power, the individual means nothing, he/she is but one of the ants who do the bidding of the masters.

 

[jc456]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

The real job creators are consumers.

so the consumer created cows? dirt, seeds, iron ore? how did they know what they needed?

 

[Redfish]

The OP poses a great question. The economy is doing very well. Unemployment is at record lows for everyone. Retirement plans are through the roof. Gas prices have yet to go over $3 under Trump. Even if you hate Trump, why would you not want 4 more years of America doing well? Even more so, with the all positive the economic factors, why change to socialism under Bernie Sanders?

I get the healthcare argument. I hate to see people who are in need to healthcare be denied. But wasn't that what Obamacare was supposed to fix? Obama, Reid and Pelosi pushed Obamacare through using the nuclear option (The rued that day when Kavanaugh was sworn in). But now Democrats are talking like Obamacare never happened. Did it not fix healthcare?

Trump was elected, at least partially, on the promise of a better healthcare plan than Obamacare. Once elected he and GOP offered no plan, they only chipped away at the ACA. You break it you bought it.

there was nothing wrong with the healthcare we had before obozocare. No one was denied medical care before ACA, even those here illegally. Those of us who paid for insurance covered those who did not or could not. Same as under ACA, except that now we have a huge expensive government agency that we also have to pay for.

There was no healthcare crisis in 2008, ACA was the worst piece of legislation in the history of this country, it was nothing but an failed attempt to allow the government to take over a large portion of our economy.

 

[alang1216]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

Barron Trump is probably a multi-millionaire, how many jobs has he created?

 

[alang1216]

The OP poses a great question. The economy is doing very well. Unemployment is at record lows for everyone. Retirement plans are through the roof. Gas prices have yet to go over $3 under Trump. Even if you hate Trump, why would you not want 4 more years of America doing well? Even more so, with the all positive the economic factors, why change to socialism under Bernie Sanders?

I get the healthcare argument. I hate to see people who are in need to healthcare be denied. But wasn't that what Obamacare was supposed to fix? Obama, Reid and Pelosi pushed Obamacare through using the nuclear option (The rued that day when Kavanaugh was sworn in). But now Democrats are talking like Obamacare never happened. Did it not fix healthcare?

Trump was elected, at least partially, on the promise of a better healthcare plan than Obamacare. Once elected he and GOP offered no plan, they only chipped away at the ACA. You break it you bought it.

there was nothing wrong with the healthcare we had before obozocare. No one was denied medical care before ACA, even those here illegally. Those of us who paid for insurance covered those who did not or could not. Same as under ACA, except that now we have a huge expensive government agency that we also have to pay for.

There was no healthcare crisis in 2008, ACA was the worst piece of legislation in the history of this country, it was nothing but an failed attempt to allow the government to take over a large portion of our economy.

If you look at other countries you'd see that our healthcare is way more expensive than it needs to be and provides only mediocre results. Of course, if you're rich you'll get excellent care, if you're not, good luck.

 

[PoliticalChic]

socialism appeals to the lazy, the ignorant, and the jealous. Socialism would make them slaves, not equals. In a socialist state a tiny group of elites have control of all the money and all the power, the individual means nothing, he/she is but one of the ants who do the bidding of the masters.

....and the young.

That's who Bernie says will put him over the top.

And the OP explains why the young.

 

[dudmuck]

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

The real job creators are consumers.

Ohhhhh!!!


So jobs just create themselves!!!




Gads, you're a dunce.


You must get tired of everyone telling you that.....

The balance of supply and demand creates jobs.

Putting too much into one side or the other stifles job growth.

 

[jc456]

socialism appeals to the lazy, the ignorant, and the jealous. Socialism would make them slaves, not equals. In a socialist state a tiny group of elites have control of all the money and all the power, the individual means nothing, he/she is but one of the ants who do the bidding of the masters.

they don't understand because they still don't believe what born equal means.

 

[jc456]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

Barron Trump is probably a multi-millionaire, how many jobs has he created?

when he's old enough to share his talents, one doesn't know yet. But he has the capital to invest in any idea a friend might have and create jobs off that idea. you still don't even understand you loser. you're so lost in your hate, your head suffers.

 

[jc456]

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

The real job creators are consumers.

Ohhhhh!!!


So jobs just create themselves!!!




Gads, you're a dunce.


You must get tired of everyone telling you that.....

The balance of supply and demand creates jobs.

Putting too much into one side or the other stifles job growth.

 

[task0778]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Free shit. They love getting stuff they don't have to work for.

And this is why it always fails. I get free stuff that I dont have to work for. When the majority feel this way, nothing gets produced. The next step is communism where the State assigns you a job and you become a slave to the State (China)

The OP made a strong argument that there is another factor in effect, beside greed.

There could be other factors too, besides greed or rebellion. Such as fear of failure, lack of confidence in oneself, indecision, indoctrination, or maybe just laziness. I remember coming out of high school not knowing what the hell I was going to do, with no idea of a plan for the future. And I suspect many of my generation felt the same way, compounded by the fact that the Vietnam war was going on and all the guys were concerned about the draft. Thankfully we don't have that war today, just the Afghan one with no draft to worry about if you're 18, but I think even so a lot of kids today don't know what they're going to do with their lives. I remember not feeling up to the task of being an adult in the real world. I had 4 younger siblings and so there wasn't a safety net for me then, I had to make it on my own.

So - along comes today's socialist movement that says don't worry about it, we got you covered. A full safety net from cradle to grave, and it's all free! What's not to like, right? No responsibility, no worries; it's like you're still a kid for your whole life except instead of your parents taking care of you the gov't will. No mention of the associated negatives that come with living in a socialist society, if I was 18 it would likely sound pretty good.

 

[jc456]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Free shit. They love getting stuff they don't have to work for.

And this is why it always fails. I get free stuff that I dont have to work for. When the majority feel this way, nothing gets produced. The next step is communism where the State assigns you a job and you become a slave to the State (China)

The OP made a strong argument that there is another factor in effect, beside greed.

There could be other factors too, besides greed or rebellion. Such as fear of failure, lack of confidence in oneself, indecision, indoctrination, or maybe just laziness. I remember coming out of high school not knowing what the hell I was going to do, with no idea of a plan for the future. And I suspect many of my generation felt the same way, compounded by the fact that the Vietnam war was going on and all the guys were concerned about the draft. Thankfully we don't have that war today, just the Afghan one with no draft to worry about if you're 18, but I think even so a lot of kids today don't know what they're going to do with their lives. I remember not feeling up to the task of being an adult in the real world. I had 4 younger siblings and so there wasn't a safety net for me then, I had to make it on my own.

So - along comes today's socialist movement that says don't worry about it, we got you covered. A full safety net from cradle to grave, and it's all free! What's not to like, right? No responsibility, no worries; it's like you're still a kid for your whole life except instead of your parents taking care of you the gov't will. No mention of the associated negatives that come with living in a socialist society, if I was 18 it would likely sound pretty good.

what a failure as a parent then. cause, hard work makes a person whole. the lack of work, is why there are tents on the streets. and pandering to the tents, brings about more tents. soon many will leave and the tents will stay. the people will die from bacteria and meningitis and rat bites and dirty needles. And someone will say in the future, how did this all happen?
Bernie!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Free shit. They love getting stuff they don't have to work for.

And this is why it always fails. I get free stuff that I dont have to work for. When the majority feel this way, nothing gets produced. The next step is communism where the State assigns you a job and you become a slave to the State (China)

y all

The OP made a strong argument that there is another factor in effect, beside greed.

There could be other factors too, besides greed or rebellion. Such as fear of failure, lack of confidence in oneself, indecision, indoctrination, or maybe just laziness. I remember coming out of high school not knowing what the hell I was going to do, with no idea of a plan for the future. And I suspect many of my generation felt the same way, compounded by the fact that the Vietnam war was going on and all the guys were concerned about the draft. Thankfully we don't have that war today, just the Afghan one with no draft to worry about if you're 18, but I think even so a lot of kids today don't know what they're going to do with their lives. I remember not feeling up to the task of being an adult in the real world. I had 4 younger siblings and so there wasn't a safety net for me then, I had to make it on my own.

So - along comes today's socialist movement that says don't worry about it, we got you covered. A full safety net from cradle to grave, and it's all free! What's not to like, right? No responsibility, no worries; it's like you're still a kid for your whole life except instead of your parents taking care of you the gov't will. No mention of the associated negatives that come with living in a socialist society, if I was 18 it would likely sound pretty good.

"There could be other factors too, besides greed or rebellion."


ABSOLUTELY!!!


The OP didn't address the need to lord it over other folks.....to order others around.....to dictate......that's why Left wing governance boils down to either banning or mandating.

Perhaps the desire to be god is why all six....communism, socialism, Nazism, Fascism, Progressivism, and Liberals are predicated on atheism.

 

[Brain357]

We need to fix this country. You like all the corruption?

It's the reason Trump was elected.


Or are you voting for these:

He’s as corrupt as any.

give us some proven examples of corruption or STFU and go away.

It’s easy to find.

Trump has named more ex-lobbyists to Cabinet in 3 years than Obama, Bush did in full terms: report

from your article----7 people, BFD. and so what? does being a lobbyist make someone a dirt bag? Careful how you answer, since most lobbyists are democrat supporters.

Corruption.

 

[alang1216]

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

Barron Trump is probably a multi-millionaire, how many jobs has he created?

when he's old enough to share his talents, one doesn't know yet. But he has the capital to invest in any idea a friend might have and create jobs off that idea. you still don't even understand you loser. you're so lost in your hate, your head suffers.

Just don't tell the race is fair if some get to start the race at the finish line.

 

[westwall]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

The ignorance, laziness, and infantile nature of its supporters.

Yes yes, everyone just got lazy and stupid the last 30 years. Has nothing to do with the GOP cutting taxes on the rich and giant corporations and screwing everybody else with ridiculously expensive college college loans and crappy jobs.... At least your heroes the greedy idiot lying GOP Rich are doing great.....

No, it doesn't. Ignorance of the evils of socialism and a basic denial of human nature.

Socialism merely trades one group of one percenters for another. The difference being the new one percenters like to murder mass quantities of people.