What Makes Socialism So Attractive?

[Fang]

The OP poses a great question. The economy is doing very well. Unemployment is at record lows for everyone. Retirement plans are through the roof. Gas prices have yet to go over $3 under Trump. Even if you hate Trump, why would you not want 4 more years of America doing well? Even more so, with the all positive the economic factors, why change to socialism under Bernie Sanders?

I get the healthcare argument. I hate to see people who are in need to healthcare be denied. But wasn't that what Obamacare was supposed to fix? Obama, Reid and Pelosi pushed Obamacare through using the nuclear option (The rued that day when Kavanaugh was sworn in). But now Democrats are talking like Obamacare never happened. Did it not fix healthcare?

 

[Brain357]

The OP poses a great question. The economy is doing very well. Unemployment is at record lows for everyone. Retirement plans are through the roof. Gas prices have yet to go over $3 under Trump. Even if you hate Trump, why would you not want 4 more years of America doing well? Even more so, with the all positive the economic factors, why change to socialism under Bernie Sanders?

Trillion dollar deficits? Stagnant wages.

 

[Fang]

The OP poses a great question. The economy is doing very well. Unemployment is at record lows for everyone. Retirement plans are through the roof. Gas prices have yet to go over $3 under Trump. Even if you hate Trump, why would you not want 4 more years of America doing well? Even more so, with the all positive the economic factors, why change to socialism under Bernie Sanders?

Trillion dollar deficits? Stagnant wages.

Obama's debt? 10 trillion? Who's wage is stagnant, certainly not mine.

 

[alang1216]

I’ve always been a devotee of the Gates Test: when they open the gates, do people rush in, or rush out? It’s a pretty good test of socialism, in all of its forms: communism, fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and Liberalism [check out the numbers of folks moving out of California and New York].

What is the direction of immigration, you dunce?

Which countries have open gates?

No state lost a larger share of its residents over the past year than Wyoming. Wyoming's population, already the smallest of any state, shrank by 5,600 – or 1.0 percent – between July 2016 and July 2017. ​

The states with the most people leaving happen to be the biggest states so their percent change is fairly small

"Which countries have open gates? "


You're leaving????



Bon voyage!

Not even an attempt at an answer? Tough when the facts don't support your ideology.

 

[alang1216]

The OP poses a great question. The economy is doing very well. Unemployment is at record lows for everyone. Retirement plans are through the roof. Gas prices have yet to go over $3 under Trump. Even if you hate Trump, why would you not want 4 more years of America doing well? Even more so, with the all positive the economic factors, why change to socialism under Bernie Sanders?

I get the healthcare argument. I hate to see people who are in need to healthcare be denied. But wasn't that what Obamacare was supposed to fix? Obama, Reid and Pelosi pushed Obamacare through using the nuclear option (The rued that day when Kavanaugh was sworn in). But now Democrats are talking like Obamacare never happened. Did it not fix healthcare?

Trump was elected, at least partially, on the promise of a better healthcare plan than Obamacare. Once elected he and GOP offered no plan, they only chipped away at the ACA. You break it you bought it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I’ve always been a devotee of the Gates Test: when they open the gates, do people rush in, or rush out? It’s a pretty good test of socialism, in all of its forms: communism, fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and Liberalism [check out the numbers of folks moving out of California and New York].

What is the direction of immigration, you dunce?

Which countries have open gates?

No state lost a larger share of its residents over the past year than Wyoming. Wyoming's population, already the smallest of any state, shrank by 5,600 – or 1.0 percent – between July 2016 and July 2017. ​

The states with the most people leaving happen to be the biggest states so their percent change is fairly small

"Which countries have open gates? "


You're leaving????



Bon voyage!

Not even an attempt at an answer? Tough when the facts don't support your ideology.

So....you gonna leave now?

See ya'....

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Free shit. They love getting stuff they don't have to work for.

And this is why it always fails. I get free stuff that I dont have to work for. When the majority feel this way, nothing gets produced. The next step is communism where the State assigns you a job and you become a slave to the State (China)

 

[jc456]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

 

[alang1216]

So....you gonna leave now?

See ya'....

I can't leave, someone needs to protect this country from those, such as yourself, that hate it and want to tear it apart.

 

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That'd be the end of socialism, wouldn't it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So....you gonna leave now?

See ya'....

I can't leave, someone needs to protect this country from those, such as yourself, that hate it and want to tear it apart.

Don't worry.....I have your replacement ready to go:

 

[dudmuck]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

 

[jc456]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

ideas create jobs, the demand from that idea creates additional jobs once investments are made and buildings built, which required other labor to build. Without the idea, you don't have demand.

 

[jc456]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

 

[danielpalos]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Social-ism should also be about optimizing Government. Pareto Optimality should be a general welfare goal whenever the right wing has nothing but repeal or general warfare policies at the expense of the Poor.

 

[task0778]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Without Supply, Demand creates nothing. Somebody recognizes the Demand, but in order to meet that Demand he/she has to Supply whatever it is, and THAT requires what? INVESTMENT. Somebody with money, which is how millionaires and billionaires come into the equation. Somebody has to invest money before the 1st job exists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Especially to the young?

Why are the young so enamored with Socialism/Communism/Liberalism?
It may not be what seems to be the answer, free stuff.

The Answer may be something inherent to the human condition: a desire to be unique, and independent, and to make your own rules, and not have to answer to anyone else.



1.When Albert Camus wrote “The Rebel,” he put his finger on an aspect of human nature that most of us have, more so as youth, but, still, throughout our lives. We yearn to stand out, to be different, …we see it when the prettiest girl runs off with the ‘bad boy,’ or when the wild haired radical is the one everyone is talking about. True, family, and the desire for success often smooths the edges off, moderates how ‘different’ one chooses to be, and sometimes, later on, when we’ve given up most of that rebellion, we might come to resent those who actually carry it off…..but in our youth, we have it.

It’s all about the degree and desire to rebel.

2. Freud claimed he could document and explain that need to rebel, relating it to a biological phenomenon…. “The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes” The Rebel Instinct: How Each Generation's Need To Out-Rebel The Previous Generation Is Pushing Society To Wild Extremes

But whether it is psychological or biological…….it appears, most significantly, to be political.




3. A tip of the hat to Freud: there is no disputing the desire to stop taking orders from parents. OK. But it grows, in many, to the desire to not have to show respect, take orders from, or to mirror the style and tradition of an older, more successful generation. Perhaps the claim that socialists/communists are all about greed, to take from the successful without the work that went into that success...’You didn’t build that!’ …isn’t just to get the material things…


........it’s the psychological reward of rebellion.


Perhaps the rebel wants to gain that success by a different path, one that doesn’t require looking like, sounding like, and behaving like, our elders, that explains the 50% of Democrats who are socialists. Enter Bernie Sanders, stage Left.




Now…..get this, the fly in their ointment:

The problem for those rebels is that they have given up the intellect and the education that reveals what Socialism, Communism, Progressivism produces for societies, always:

....serfs, slaves….or corpses.

Free shit. They love getting stuff they don't have to work for.

And this is why it always fails. I get free stuff that I dont have to work for. When the majority feel this way, nothing gets produced. The next step is communism where the State assigns you a job and you become a slave to the State (China)

The OP made a strong argument that there is another factor in effect, beside greed.

 

[dudmuck]

The problem as the "socialists" see it is income inequality.
Why should Bloomberg have $62b and they are in debt and are working for slave wages?
Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?
We must band together to set things right, we must tax the rich and distribute the income more fairly.
IMHO the Republicans can't keep winning elections, so what happens when the democrats eventually win?

Why should the US devolve toward a few hundred "oligarch billionaires" and the rest of us "peons"?

because the few oligarch's give jobs to the 35% of people employed. Until someone figures that out, we're all doomed at the stoops that are Bernie types.

I like my job, my salary, my IRA's. why do the bernie's want me to destroy that?

Demand creates jobs.

When people need something, and somebody else knows how to meet that need, a job exists. Billionaires don't come into that equation.

Soooo.....lots of poor folks are hiring?



Here?

Gads, you're a dunce.

he doesn't get that the guys with the mobile phones idea created soooooo many jobs for sooo many years that they'd lose their minds knowing that number. it's almost in the hundreds of million number. Amazon wouldn't exist without it.

How about those guys with the cars?

The real job creators are consumers.

 

[Redfish]

Surely you have plans for a better destination ...


...I'll help you pack.

We need to fix this country. You like all the corruption?

It's the reason Trump was elected.


Or are you voting for these:

He’s as corrupt as any.

give us some proven examples of corruption or STFU and go away.

It’s easy to find.

Trump has named more ex-lobbyists to Cabinet in 3 years than Obama, Bush did in full terms: report

from your article----7 people, BFD. and so what? does being a lobbyist make someone a dirt bag? Careful how you answer, since most lobbyists are democrat supporters.