Zone1 What to Do with Gaza?

[Kruska]

What to Do with Gaza?​

Send in a UN Peacekeeper Force - predominately from religious neutral countries - e.g. China, Vietnam, Korea and Japan + moderate and neutral Muslim countries, e.g. Indonesia and Malaysia. Disarm Hamas and a "win hearts and mind policy" in Gaza, supported by the PLO to establish a capable Police force in Gaza.

In parallel fully embargo and sanction Israel (worked very well with SA and Rhodesia) - till they commit to returning the illegally annexed Golan Heights to Syria, retract all illegal Jewish settlements in the West-Bank and return all illegally annexed territory of the former Gaza territory according to the UN Partition-plan of 1947. Let Israel keep their illegally annexed Northern Palestinian territory. e.g. Nazareth/Acre

 

[Dayton3]

What to Do with Gaza?​

Send in a UN Peacekeeper Force - predominately from religious neutral countries - e.g. China, Vietnam, Korea and Japan + moderate and neutral Muslim countries, e.g. Indonesia and Malaysia. Disarm Hamas and a "win hearts and mind policy" in Gaza, supported by the PLO to establish a capable Police force in Gaza.

In parallel fully embargo and sanction Israel (worked very well with SA and Rhodesia) - till they commit to returning the illegally annexed Golan Heights to Syria, retract all illegal Jewish settlements in the West-Bank and return all illegally annexed territory of the former Gaza territory according to the UN Partition-plan of 1947. Let Israel keep their illegally annexed Northern Palestinian territory. e.g. Nazareth/Acre

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Can't be done. Such a partition plan would leave Israel too geographically vulnerable.

 

[Deadstick]

What to Do with Gaza?​

Send in a UN Peacekeeper Force - predominately from religious neutral countries - e.g. China, Vietnam, Korea and Japan + moderate and neutral Muslim countries, e.g. Indonesia and Malaysia. Disarm Hamas and a "win hearts and mind policy" in Gaza, supported by the PLO to establish a capable Police force in Gaza.

In parallel fully embargo and sanction Israel (worked very well with SA and Rhodesia) - till they commit to returning the illegally annexed Golan Heights to Syria, retract all illegal Jewish settlements in the West-Bank and return all illegally annexed territory of the former Gaza territory according to the UN Partition-plan of 1947. Let Israel keep their illegally annexed Northern Palestinian territory. e.g. Nazareth/Acre

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Israel thinks it can go on forever **** it has been for 75 years, that is why the way things are going it will be settled with violence, when people have nothing to lose they will use violence, the way those Zionists are they will destroy their own Country, there will be more and more like these brave young people who refuse to be part of the Genocide.

 

[Dayton3]

What to Do with Gaza?​

Send in a UN Peacekeeper Force - predominately from religious neutral countries - e.g. China, Vietnam, Korea and Japan + moderate and neutral Muslim countries, e.g. Indonesia and Malaysia. Disarm Hamas and a "win hearts and mind policy" in Gaza, supported by the PLO to establish a capable Police force in Gaza.

In parallel fully embargo and sanction Israel (worked very well with SA and Rhodesia) - till they commit to returning the illegally annexed Golan Heights to Syria, retract all illegal Jewish settlements in the West-Bank and return all illegally annexed territory of the former Gaza territory according to the UN Partition-plan of 1947. Let Israel keep their illegally annexed Northern Palestinian territory. e.g. Nazareth/Acre

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What makes you call the Golan Heights "illegally annexed"?

All Syria ever used the Golan for was to shell nonthreatening Israeli targets below.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What should happen is that the free world should tell them in no uncertain terms that Israel has every right to exist and they are not to interfere with Israel or threaten them or harm them in any way. That Israel has every right to protect and defend itself and if they fire rockets into Israel or send terrorist bombers/saboteurs into Israel, Israel has every right to retaliate as it needs to eliminate the danger, threat, or aggression.

And the free world will give Israel whatever it needs to protect and defend itself.

If they don't want to live under those conditions, move. Otherwise if they continue to make war on Israel nobody will feel sorry for them when Israel reacts.

The Palestinian leadership must understand that it is their responsibility and not Israel's to provide for the Palestinians or make possible for them to produce what they need for quality of life.

Israel has never been the aggressor, but it will understand that while it has no responsibility to the Palestinian citizens in any regard, it should not deliberately provoke hostile actions from the Palestinians or their government.

I agree, but the Palestinian's problem is that they have created so much havoc everywhere they have been allowed to immigrate to, that no Arab state will accept them as immigrants anymore. They have screwed themselves into a no-win situation.

 

[Deadstick]

I agree, but the Palestinian's problem is that they have created so much havoc everywhere they have been allowed to immigrate to, that no Arab state will accept them as immigrants anymore. They have screwed themselves into a no-win situation.

Immigrate to Lol! that's a good way to describe ethnic cleansing, it's the same as calling Genocide self defence.

 

[irosie91]

Immigrate to Lol! that's a good way to describe ethnic cleansing, it's the same as calling Genocide self defence.

would just "DROP DEAD" be better? For information on the opinion of the UMMAH---read the KHARAH-AN and attend some friday KHUTBAH JUMAAT lectures

 

[Foxfyre]

I agree, but the Palestinian's problem is that they have created so much havoc everywhere they have been allowed to immigrate to, that no Arab state will accept them as immigrants anymore. They have screwed themselves into a no-win situation.

Gentle correction: the Arab states have never wanted to take in Palestinians. They don't give a rats' ass about the Palestinians. The Palestinians are useful idiots for them to use to generate sympathy and hostility toward Israel.

You know the one country that did want the Palestinians and asked them to stay and stand with Israel? That would be Israel. But when they abandoned the Jews and threw in with those who intended genocide of the Jews, Israel very wisely would not allow them to return.

Those who did stay and stand with the Jews and their progeny enjoy a very good life in Israel to this day comprising about 18 to 20% of the Israeli population, enjoy full citizenship and representation on the Knesset.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Gentle correction: the Arab states have never wanted to take in Palestinians. They don't give a rats' ass about the Palestinians. The Palestinians are useful idiots for them to use to generate sympathy and hostility toward Israel.

You know the one country that did want the Palestinians and asked them to stay and stand with Israel? That would be Israel. But when they abandoned the Jews and threw in with those who intended genocide of the Jews, Israel very wisely would not allow them to return.

Those who did stay and stand with the Jews and their progeny enjoy a very good life in Israel to this day comprising about 18 to 20% of the Israeli population, enjoy full citizenship and representation on the Knesset.

Gentle correction: the Arab states have never wanted to take in Palestinians. They don't give a rats' ass about the Palestinians. The Palestinians are useful idiots for them to use to generate sympathy and hostility toward Israel.

Well of course, but that doesn't in any way illegitimate their cause or render the Palestinians unworthy of their lands. No one wanted the Jews either, hence the Jews are worthless? Is that your line of reasoning? Here Norman Finkelstein (A Jew) eviscerates the same Zionist argument on live television:

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You're essentially resorting to the same argument used against Jews by the Nazis. "No One Wants Them". Really, who gives a shit if no one wants the Palestinians or the Jews? Does that mean God doesn't want them? Does that imply they're wrong or worthless? If they're mistaken or of no value, it's not due to not being wanted or liked by others. You're obviously quite confused.

You know the one country that did want the Palestinians and asked them to stay and stand with Israel? That would be Israel.

You need to stop smoking crack-rock. The Jewish Zionists expelled and dispossessed the Palestinian Arabs of their lands and leveled their villages to the ground. About a million Palestinian Arabs were displaced throughout the Levant, including the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. Most of them were forced into refugee camps. Only 10% of the Palestinian Arabs became Israeli citizens and even they to this day, continue to be mistreated. Anyone who examines the evidence for the mistreatment of the non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish State of Israel and doesn't recognize that there's a heinous injustice being perpetrated is dishonest at best. Here is some of the evidence:

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But when they abandoned the Jews and threw in with those who intended genocide of the Jews, Israel very wisely would not allow them to return.

It's the Zionist Jews who were committed to ethnic cleansing and genocide, not the Palestinian Arabs. Way before 1948, the Jews were already murdering Palestinians:

PALESTINE: Jewish terrorist group attacks Officers' Club (1947)​

The Jewish Irgun and Hagana terrorists had been terrorizing Palestinian Arabs throughout Palestine since the early 1930s. Even before the Irgun terrorist group was formed, Jewish Zionist terrorists were terrorizing Arabs. If you read the Zionist literature and the transcripts of Jewish Zionist speeches in their meetings, you'll see that they were already planning to ethnically cleanse the land of Palestinians. To claim that they forced the Palestinian Arabs out of their lands and homes, burning down many of their villages because supposedly these people were trying to commit an act of genocide against the Jews is preposterous if you know the history of what happened in 1948. The Nakba or "catastrophe" that was committed against the Palestinians by Zionists was real.

Even Israeli historians admit that what occurred to the Palestinian Arab population living in Palestine at the hands of the Zionists was a crime against humanity:

Professor Avi Shlaim highlights that Tantura massacre was one of multiple during Nakba

British-Israeli historian Avi Shlaim attended the UK premiere of the film 'Tantura', hosted by the International Centre of Justice for Palestinians (ICJP) in...

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Israeli historian: 'Gaza genocide part of ongoing Nakba'

“The Holocaust memory has been manipulated and abused in Israel since 1948."Israeli historian Ilan Pappé spoke to TRT World amid Israel's ongoing bombardment...

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Two-State Solution Debate | Gideon Levy | Proposition

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Israel's brutal assault on Jenin last 9 hours - Palestinians valiantly defended themselves

Israel's brutal assault on Jenin last 9 hours - Palestinians valiantly defended themselves but they need help from the rest of the world against Israel's war...

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Look at how this former Jewish terrorist smiles when discussing the crimes that Jewish Zionists committed against Palestinian civilians:

Israeli War Criminals Laughing - Tantura (2022 Documentary)

Yosef Diamant and Amitzur Cohen. Amitzur was originally a member of the Lehi terrorist group whose members went on to form the IDF ð®ð±Two terrorists who fin...

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Those who did stay and stand with the Jews and their progeny enjoy a very good life in Israel......to this day comprising about 18 to 20% of the Israeli population, enjoy full citizenship and representation on the Knesset.

As shown above, your whitewashed version of reality concerning Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel is ludicrous. Anyone who examines the evidence knows the Arab citizens of Israel face horrible discrimination and many of them migrate to other countries. They're second-class citizens at best and don't have the same rights as Jews in the Jewish State of Israel. Even Netanyahu admitted that Israel is not a country for all of its citizens:

Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel is ‘not a state of all its citizens’

PM has been accused of demonising Israeli Arabs in lead-up to April election

www.theguardian.com

Your pretty picture of the Zionist apartheid state is dishonest, and that's putting it mildly. I'm being nice. ​

 

[Deadstick]

would just "DROP DEAD" be better? For information on the opinion of the UMMAH---read the KHARAH-AN and attend some friday KHUTBAH JUMAAT lectures

Bark Bark Bark, thats all you do.

would just "DROP DEAD" be better? For information on the opinion of the UMMAH---read the KHARAH-AN and attend some friday KHUTBAH JUMAAT lectures

Barking nonsense again

 

[Foxfyre]

Well of course, but that doesn't in any way illegitimate their cause or render the Palestinians unworthy of their lands. No one wanted the Jews either, hence the Jews are worthless? Is that your line of reasoning? Here Norman Finkelstein (A Jew) eviscerates the same Zionist argument on live television:

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You're essentially resorting to the same argument used against Jews by the Nazis. "No One Wants Them". Really, who gives a shit if no one wants the Palestinians or the Jews? Does that mean God doesn't want them? Does that imply they're wrong or worthless? If they're mistaken or of no value, it's not due to not being wanted or liked by others. You're obviously quite confused.



You need to stop smoking crack-rock. The Jewish Zionists expelled and dispossessed the Palestinian Arabs of their lands and leveled their villages to the ground. About a million Palestinian Arabs were displaced throughout the Levant, including the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. Most of them were forced into refugee camps. Only 10% of the Palestinian Arabs became Israeli citizens and even they to this day, continue to be mistreated. Anyone who examines the evidence for the mistreatment of the non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish State of Israel and doesn't recognize that there's a heinous injustice being perpetrated is dishonest at best. Here is some of the evidence:

​

It's the Zionist Jews who were committed to ethnic cleansing and genocide, not the Palestinian Arabs. Way before 1948, the Jews were already murdering Palestinians:

PALESTINE: Jewish terrorist group attacks Officers' Club (1947)​

The Jewish Irgun and Hagana terrorists had been terrorizing Palestinian Arabs throughout Palestine since the early 1930s. Even before the Irgun terrorist group was formed, Jewish Zionist terrorists were terrorizing Arabs. If you read the Zionist literature and the transcripts of Jewish Zionist speeches in their meetings, you'll see that they were already planning to ethnically cleanse the land of Palestinians. To claim that they forced the Palestinian Arabs out of their lands and homes, burning down many of their villages because supposedly these people were trying to commit an act of genocide against the Jews is preposterous if you know the history of what happened in 1948. The Nakba or "catastrophe" that was committed against the Palestinians by Zionists was real.

Even Israeli historians admit that what occurred to the Palestinian Arab population living in Palestine at the hands of the Zionists was a crime against humanity:

Professor Avi Shlaim highlights that Tantura massacre was one of multiple during Nakba

British-Israeli historian Avi Shlaim attended the UK premiere of the film 'Tantura', hosted by the International Centre of Justice for Palestinians (ICJP) in...

www.youtube.com

Israeli historian: 'Gaza genocide part of ongoing Nakba'

“The Holocaust memory has been manipulated and abused in Israel since 1948."Israeli historian Ilan Pappé spoke to TRT World amid Israel's ongoing bombardment...

www.youtube.com

Two-State Solution Debate | Gideon Levy | Proposition

SUBSCRIBE for more speakers ⺠http://is.gd/OxfordUnionOxford Union on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theoxfordunionOxford Union on Twitter: @OxfordUnionW...

www.youtube.com

Israel's brutal assault on Jenin last 9 hours - Palestinians valiantly defended themselves

Israel's brutal assault on Jenin last 9 hours - Palestinians valiantly defended themselves but they need help from the rest of the world against Israel's war...

www.youtube.com

Look at how this former Jewish terrorist smiles when discussing the crimes that Jewish Zionists committed against Palestinian civilians:

Israeli War Criminals Laughing - Tantura (2022 Documentary)

Yosef Diamant and Amitzur Cohen. Amitzur was originally a member of the Lehi terrorist group whose members went on to form the IDF ð®ð±Two terrorists who fin...

www.youtube.com

As shown above, your whitewashed version of reality concerning Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel is ludicrous. Anyone who examines the evidence knows the Arab citizens of Israel face horrible discrimination and many of them migrate to other countries. They're second-class citizens at best and don't have the same rights as Jews in the Jewish State of Israel. Even Netanyahu admitted that Israel is not a country for all of its citizens:

Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel is ‘not a state of all its citizens’

PM has been accused of demonising Israeli Arabs in lead-up to April election

www.theguardian.com

Your pretty picture of the Zionist apartheid state is dishonest, and that's putting it mildly. I'm being nice. ​

Alas you seem to be another hard core leftist who doesn't read well. I didn't read all that because I'm pretty busy at the moment. But I read enough to see that you didn't read a word of what I said in context but just put your own less than honest spin on it. It's okay. I've come to expect that of most on the left. Have a lovely evening.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Your personal opinion doesn't change nor impact the existence of the UN - and international law is binding for any UN member.
Russia attacked Ukraine - that is in violation with international law. The reasons as to why Russia might find a justification for it's attack is a separate issue. And that separate issue was NOT acknowledged by the vast majority of the UN member countries.

If Putin doesn't like it - he is IMO free to say - fuck the UN - I am out. Russia then will lose it's veto bargain chip in the UN. Fine with me also. All these veto buggers should move out of the UN - it's an undemocratic concept at it's finest - and has rendered the UN to be incapable to fulfill it's task.

However Israel or e.g. the USA are the first ones when it comes to making use of international law - when it fits their purpose.
So Israel has a right to defend it's self according to international law - BUT in the frame of international law - aka no war-crimes.
The Palestinians also have a right to defend themselves according to IL - BUT in the framework of IL - no war-crimes aka crimes against humanity.

Australia is acting against international law via denying equal rights to the aborigines. - IMO they are free to say - fuck the UN - we are out
But Australia is committed with the USA to oppose China - when it comes to making use of international law - aka China's SCS issue. So?

As for aboriginal or indigenous peoples evolutionary failures - there are known reason for that. And those reasons do NOT change for the better via segregation - they only uphold and worsen the situation.

As you might know - I am a former South-African who also served in the SADF.
Just as these European Jews - millions of non-South African Negros "illegally" entered South-Africa. (Those Australian aborigines did NOT enter Australia illegally). "Unfortunately" the SADF was never tasked with "relocating" these illegals back into their original home countries. Just as the Arabs and Palestinians never had a Nation nor an Army in 1925, to forcefully drive ah... "relocate" these 60,000 Jewish illegal immigrants back to their home countries, whilst allowing the remaining 20,000 "local" Jews to stay and live in peace - just as they had done for 1400 years.

Instead they were allowed to nestle in SA and continuously brought in their families and tribes-folks. - just like the Jews bringing in their tribesmen for 100 years into Palestine - later Israel.

Eventually the ANC (terrorists) just like Haganah (and foremost recruited from these illegals) started to terrorize the European population. (People who had been living there for hundreds of years). Since the illegals together with the locals become a population majority from the 50'ies onward they now demanded the "entire territory" for themselves. Israel aka Jews only became a majority due to having forcefully driven out a million Palestinians.

Now back to "indigenous peoples evolutionary failures" - if SA would not have introduced Apartheid but shared their wealth and education system with the local Negros, the Coloreds and Asians (foremost Indians), we could have formed a majority coalition against these illegal Negro immigrants - relocate them jointly back to where they came from, and SA now would be ruled by educated Negros, Coloreds, Europeans and Asians. Instead SA is now ruled by, as you say; uneducated indigenous-migrant people with evolutionary failures.

And don't forget, Israel was Apartheid SA - best friend and supporter - right to the end, and not just because of DeBeers.

The UN didn't do anything when Putin invaded, occupies and eventually absorbed South Ossetia and Crimea.

 

[beautress]

I am stumped by what to do with the two million Palestinians living in Gaza. A simple idea is to leave them alone, but this has resulted in endless war with Israel. On the other hand, no other country appears willing to assume responsibility for this area. A third possibility would to resettle these people elsewhere, but who would want to accept them? My biggest fear is that the US might try to do this.

Any thoughts/solutions?

You could get them out of there pronto.

 

[AZrailwhale]

When their Zionist asses are driven back to Poland or Crown Heights Brooklyn. They could have had a two-state solution, but they decided to extend Jewish settlements into the West Bank to a point now that is irreversible, short of a war (no agreement or "peace plan" will achieve it, only war). So the only solution now is for Palestine to be completely liberated from these racist Jewish supremacists. Given what they're doing now in Gaza, carrying out their genocidal bombing campaign, they should indeed be driven back to Brooklyn or Russia (wherever these ZioNazis came from). Bye-bye, good riddance.

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FREE PALESTINE FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA!​

The Muslims have been attempting that since 1947. It hasn't worked so far, what makes the Muslims can make it work now?

 

[surada]

Can't be done. Such a partition plan would leave Israel too geographically vulnerable.

Not according to the military historian Martin Van Cleveld.

 

[Dayton3]

Not according to the military historian Martin Van Cleveld.

He is wrong.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Alas you seem to be another hard core leftist who doesn't read well. I didn't read all that because I'm pretty busy at the moment. But I read enough to see that you didn't read a word of what I said in context but just put your own less than honest spin on it. It's okay. I've come to expect that of most on the left. Have a lovely evening.

I'll leave it up to normal people to decide whether I misinterpreted what you said. You were quite explicit so your evasive maneuvering to save face, isn't helping you at all.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The Muslims have been attempting that since 1947. It hasn't worked so far, what makes the Muslims can make it work now?

The Palestinian Muslims and Christians who were dispossessed of their lands and homes are going to recover everything sooner or later. They're not going to quit. The Zionist apartheid state of "Israel" is essentially committing suicide with its genocidal bombing campaign in Gaza. They're uniting all of the Muslims of the world and billions of people are waking up to how evil Zionism is.

 

[surada]

He is wrong.

He's the foremost military historian in Israel. What are your qualifications?

Have you read anything he's written?

Missiles cross the Golan heights or the occupied West Bank in seconds.

 

[Kruska]

Can't be done. Such a partition plan would leave Israel too geographically vulnerable.

Off course it can be done - the only question is "Does Israel even want peace"?

Israels security is Israels problem and concern, not that of the Palestinians. Upon the Palestinians finally getting their own State - it is "Palestine's" (or whatever they decide to call their State) duty and obligation to set up an own National Defense Force and internal security organizations that prevent terrorist groups from forming and essentially running terrorist ops against Israel and also against the Palestinian government.

Don't forget the Jews themselves chose to go there - via occupying other peoples territory and forcing them out for almost 75 years - thus creating and nurturing hatred for 75 years. That there will be terrorist attacks (on a far smaller scale then presently) is inevitable - but it will stop - the timeline will heavily depend on Israels continued actions towards Syria, Lebanon and other Muslim countries. As well on the economic/financial support given to Palestine by foreign nations.

There are absolutely no indications that e.g. Egypt, Lebanon or Jordan have intentions or posses the military ability to attack Israel and get away with it. Iraq has never attacked Israel - aside from sending troops and aircraft into Jordan and Syria during the Arab-Israeli wars, that ended in 1973. (50 years ago). Iran has never attacked Israel. However Israel has attacked Iraq via airstrikes after 1973.

Syria is in an absolute chaos since the Arab-Spring uprisings, and was totally destabilized, bombed and attacked by foreign powers until today. There are even US troops in Syria (a sovereign nation) - can't remember that Assad called for US troops, nor that he has declared war onto the USA - can you? Israel since then has been constantly attacking and bombing targets in Syria (a sovereign nation) - and has illegally annexed the Golan-Heights.

Due to foreign powers having kept Syria in chaos via constant warfare - Iran got it's chance to move in - supporting the Assad regime and creating and running their own militia groups in Syria. the same goes for Iraq. Israels attack onto Lebanon in 1982 created Hezbollah - also supported foremost by Iran.

Thus the only Arab-Muslim country that has reasons to attack Israel (if they could) BTW (Netanyahu calls it "retribution" not attack) is Syria due to Israels actions of the past 10+ years and it's illegal annexation of the Golan heights.

Once the Palestinian issue has been agreed upon and the Golan-Heights having been returned to Syria - only non-Palestinian members of Hezbollah remain a threat to Israel - this issue can be "solved" in the same manner as Gaza - via UN peacekeepers and if deemed appropriate via including Lebanon's own Armed Forces and security organizations.

As such only two protagonists remain, Israel and Iran. Iran would lose it's "support arguments" the moment a Palestine is formed. The government of Syria and the former Iraq government are/were secular organizations - as such opposing Iran's Ayatollahs. And the beef that Israel and Iran have with each other - can't be used by Israel to prevent a Palestinian State, it's just a lame excuse upheld by Israel.